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Evil Fluffy posted:It's still pretty damning that they cut out the Young Griff stuff. Either it's going to be added next season or the entire thing is basically dead weight and excess poo poo GRRM never should've wasted time on and D&D know it because they aren't GRRM's spineless editors. It already felt like dead weight when I first read it.
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Does Stannis really burn his daughter at the stake? I've yet to read A Feast for Crows and I'd like to know if I got trolled or spoiled by loving GBS
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Vorik posted:Does Stannis really burn his daughter at the stake? I've yet to read A Feast for Crows and I'd like to know if I got trolled or spoiled by loving GBS Obviously it must have happened because D&D only adapts the main storyline. Also, Asha runs away from dogs and a shirtless man.
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Vorik posted:Does Stannis really burn his daughter at the stake? I've yet to read A Feast for Crows and I'd like to know if I got trolled or spoiled by loving GBS Read and find out 
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Stannis leaves his daughter and Melisandre at the Wall, in the book. The implication is that Mel is going to burn her when Stannis isn't looking and probably resurrect Jon Snow in the act. Of course, we don't know if that'll ever happen since the next book still isn't out.
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Evil Fluffy posted:It's still pretty damning that they cut out the Young Griff stuff. Either it's going to be added next season or the entire thing is basically dead weight and excess poo poo GRRM never should've wasted time on and D&D know it because they aren't GRRM's spineless editors. What is the logic here? because they cut it in the show it doesn;t matter? Can someone release the wikipedia page with plot synopsis and ending so y'all can get your juvenile gratification and then gently caress off forever.
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Knuc U Kinte posted:What is the logic here? because they cut it in the show it doesn;t matter? That is the exact logic you dumb motherfucker. The books have an extremely wide range of focus with parallel plot threads that often meander farther and farther away from one another, which benefits the books in that the audience isn't aware of what is and is not going to become relevant in later books-- for example in Book 1 you might recall Stannis being mentioned but might not ascribe a lot of particular importance to him given all the houses and minor characters you're introduced to and then right at the start of Book 2 he's a major new player in the story. This was fun when the story was relatively contained but now we have major players all over two continents and their oceans, and fatigue sets in from the stagnation and tangents that are still unresolved after five years of no new books. Thus what the show focuses on is very telling because the show has a very limited amount of time and thus can only focus on the most important pieces of the sprawling interwoven narrative of the books, informing the audience of what is and is not going to be most relevant to plot developments going forward. Stoneheart is absent? Guess she's not that relevant to everything else then. Aegon is out? Wow the obvious red herring really does seem to be a red herring. Things can always change but at this stage in the game it's pretty doubtful unless the show wants to introduce flashbacks or gently caress around with the timeline of events. Now please tell me about how it's the journey and not the destination. I'm so eager to hear it. 
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mind the walrus posted:That is the exact logic you dumb motherfucker. The show has deviated so far from books at this point that what's important in the books probably will have no relevance to what's important in the show anyway. Also, if all you care about is how it ends, then you might as well just turn to the last chapter of any book you read and not bother reading any of that bothersome middle "filler stuff" at all.
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mind the walrus posted:That is the exact logic Trolls, even weak ones, be trollin', man.
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With the scheduled release (current for now) being July 2017, Winds of Winter will be out after the show ends. Would he have the books go completely different to the books, for instance say who ends up on the throne or having Jon Snow be a targaryen in one but not the other? I think it would be an interesting idea to keep books able to have twists, but it also seems rather off to me as well.
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SaviourX posted:Trolls, even weak ones, be trollin', man. This thread was supposed to be untrollable. Crying walrus man is ruining y'all's reputation.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:looking for this quote i also some discussion that was rather interesting about how Jaqen seems to conduct himself somewhat differently and isn't seemingly bound by this rule: Yeah, poetic license. This is why I can't buy any book conspiracy theory that goes too deep. GRRM has inconsistencies in the books, and its ok unless you are being a sperg lord. I expect that is a (small) part of what has been freaking GRRM the gently caress out, people subjecting his books to scrutiny he never expected, along with poor editing and the fact that he has been winging it for a while. Gianthogweed posted:The show has deviated so far from books at this point that what's important in the books probably will have no relevance to what's important in the show anyway. Also, if all you care about is how it ends, then you might as well just turn to the last chapter of any book you read and not bother reading any of that bothersome middle "filler stuff" at all. I disagree, I think the main milestones will be the same - or at least the book and show are going off the same outline. GRRM will definitely change things, out of spite if nothing else. But when we see that the show has dropped Griff, It means that according to the notes Griff wasn't the loving prince who was promised. Knuc U Kinte posted:This thread was supposed to be untrollable. Crying walrus man is ruining y'all's reputation. Being an idiot isn't trolling. People getting irritated because you are a retard isn't trolling. It isn't clever, and it isn't anything for you to be proud of. It just means no one likes you, and you have nothing useful to contribute. It is even sadder that you wear this as a badge of accomplishment, like some smelly homeless man, steeped in his own piss, who is proud that "those stuck up rich people" don't want to be around him.
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Amoeba102 posted:With the scheduled release (current for now) being July 2017, Winds of Winter will be out after the show ends. Would he have the books go completely different to the books, for instance say who ends up on the throne or having Jon Snow be a targaryen in one but not the other? I think it would be an interesting idea to keep books able to have twists, but it also seems rather off to me as well. It's all just idle speculation at this point. There's any number of roads GRRM can take this down, with the top three being 1) finish his original plans for the series, 2) blend elements of the show ending into the books, or 3) go Full Spite on the show for spoiling everything he'd spent 20 years faffing about with and just change everything he can get away with changing. Again, though, it's not going to matter in the long run. The books have officially missed their window of relevancy, gently caress, they passed it a long time ago, to be perfectly honest.
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Blind Sally posted:Stannis leaves his daughter and Melisandre at the Wall, in the book. The implication is that Mel is going to burn her when Stannis isn't looking and probably resurrect Jon Snow in the act. By burning the daughter of a king, she 
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nine-gear crow posted:It's all just idle speculation at this point. There's any number of roads GRRM can take this down, with the top three being 1) finish his original plans for the series, 2) blend elements of the show ending into the books, or 3) go Full Spite on the show for spoiling everything he'd spent 20 years faffing about with and just change everything he can get away with changing. You missed 4) which is to die before the books are done.
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kcroy posted:Being an idiot isn't trolling. People getting irritated because you are a retard isn't trolling. It isn't clever, and it isn't anything for you to be proud of. It just means no one likes you, and you have nothing useful to contribute. Actually this thread is really sad, dude. You're like its number one defender which makes you king of the sad fuckwits, I'm afraid.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:You say this like Alfie Allen talking about his dick being removed wouldn't be hilarious. i can hear the stick yprinc
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Syrio was also memorable and super popular, "Not today" is one of the most famous phrases from the show, a 'previously on' segment showing Meryn going for the kill would remind most watchers that 'this dude sucks and Arya hates him', not to mention that whole 'she's been reciting his name in her prayer at least once per season for 4 years'. The dude has gotten a fair amount of scenes in at least half of those he's been a dick to someone the audience likes, etc etc. ding ding ding
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kcroy posted:Yeah, poetic license. This is why I can't buy any book conspiracy theory that goes too deep. GRRM has inconsistencies in the books, and its ok unless you are being a sperg lord. I expect that is a (small) part of what has been freaking GRRM the gently caress out, people subjecting his books to scrutiny he never expected, along with poor editing and the fact that he has been winging it for a while. what i don't get is, if griff isn't aegon and is just some kid varys found to groom into the perfect ruler, why is varys also going out of his way to help dany when they're going to be direct competitors for the throne
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kcroy posted:Yeah, poetic license. This is why I can't buy any book conspiracy theory that goes too deep. GRRM has inconsistencies in the books, and its ok unless you are being a sperg lord. I expect that is a (small) part of what has been freaking GRRM the gently caress out, people subjecting his books to scrutiny he never expected, along with poor editing and the fact that he has been winging it for a while. nice classism in your takedown of trolling
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A Major Fucker posted:what i don't get is, if griff isn't aegon and is just some kid varys found to groom into the perfect ruler, why is varys also going out of his way to help dany when they're going to be direct competitors for the throne The most widely supported theory in the fanbase is that Aegon is indeed a Targaryen but from the Blackfyre pretenders lineage, this makes sense because he's supported by the Golden Company who were historically founded by Aegor "Bittersteel" Rivers who was Daemon Blackfyre's half-brother and confidant, Bittersteel has vowed to install one of Blackfyre's descendents on the Iron Throne which makes the whole 'supporting main branch Targaryens' angle somewhat curious. some people theorize that Illyrio is Aegon's father through his first marriage to some Blackfyre girl cause it is said that the Blackfyre lineage has been entirely vanquished on the male-side. As for whether this is proven to be ultimately unimportant cause D&D don't have time to fit it in their 10 hour seasons, I'd say that's rather retarded and is akin to saying that Meryn Trant going "Younger... younger... younger" or that the Tyene/Obara slapfight scene are both important cause D&D did spend time on them, it's really bullshit and there's no way to know. Why is no one saying that the Valonqar prophecy is not important after all D&D did take a knife to it. The Blackfyres have been a prominent part of the ASOIAF novels and have gotten tons of background in the dunk and egg novels, perhaps they are not important to the story told in the show but they're important in the books.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:The most widely supported theory in the fanbase is that Aegon is indeed a Targaryen but from the Blackfyre pretenders lineage, this makes sense because he's supported by the Golden Company who were historically founded by Aegor "Bittersteel" Rivers who was Daemon Blackfyre's half-brother and confidant, Bittersteel has vowed to install one of Blackfyre's descendents on the Iron Throne which makes the whole 'supporting main branch Targaryens' angle somewhat curious. some people theorize that Illyrio is Aegon's father through his first marriage to some Blackfyre girl cause it is said that the Blackfyre lineage has been entirely vanquished on the male-side. the valonqar prophecy owns, but i don't remember any of this blackfyre stuff and i'm already confused by it
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Aegon's party was on their way to Meereen before Tyrion convinced him that conquering Westeros on his own would earn Dany's respect. I think Varys' plan was for them to get married.
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No Pants posted:Aegon's party was on their way to Meereen before Tyrion convinced him that conquering Westeros on his own would earn Dany's respect. I think Varys' plan was for them to get married. owned
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No Pants posted:Aegon's party was on their way to Meereen before Tyrion convinced him that conquering Westeros on his own would earn Dany's respect. I think Varys' plan was for them to get married. Seeing how that worked out for Quentyn, Aegon dodged quite a bullet there.
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The plan Tyrion convinces Aegon and JonCon to go for is still to have Aegon wed Dany, he just advises that Aegon only makes his proposal from a position of power. The logic is basically: Dany already has an army, and she has dragons, while the Golden Company is a fearsome fighting force and Dany might be sentimental toward Rhaegar's alleged son she has very little imperative to give up her own claim (as Aegon allegedly supercedes her as the heir to the crown prince). All the theories concerning Aegon acknowledge that even if he is merely a pretender or a Blackfyre him and Connington are obviously oblivious of this, JonCon was Rhaegar's best friend (he is also gay and was in love with Rhaegar for years) and he supports Aegon under the assumption that he really is the true heir, so it all sorta makes sense. As for the Blackfyres themselves, if you didn't read Dunk & Egg I personally would recommend that you do cause they're pretty great, the story is briefly that Aegon IV had a ton of bastards which he legitimized on his death bed, the three most prominent of these bastards were Daemon Blackfyre, Brynden Bloodraven and Aegor Bittersteel. Aegon IV (aka Aegon the unworthy) gave Daemon Blackfyre the ancestral valyrian sword of house Targaryen, the sword itself was called 'Blackfyre' and this is where Daemon earned his name from, traditionally the sword was held by the king and so many Westerosi lords believed that this was meant to signify that Aegon IV has named Daemon Blackfyre his heir so this sparked a major civil war in Westeros that was eventually won by the main-branch Targaryens aided by Bloodraven. Daemon Blackfyre was killed and his heirs were exiled to Essos where they kept mounting attempts to respark the rebellion in Westeros for several decades, the last male Blackfyre was "Maelys the monstrous" who was slain by Barristan Selmy during the "war of the ninepenny kings". emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Jun 11, 2015 |
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A Major Fucker posted:i can hear the stick yprinc It would be like the late night thing where people read mean twitters. poo poo would be p funny. A Major Fucker posted:the valonqar prophecy owns, but i don't remember any of this blackfyre stuff and i'm already confused by it Have you read the other books like dunk and egg / dance of dragons short story etc? That talks about the blackfyre rebellion. ( i haven't read them all.. only the first dunk and egg book ) A Major Fucker posted:what i don't get is, if griff isn't aegon and is just some kid varys found to groom into the perfect ruler, why is varys also going out of his way to help dany when they're going to be direct competitors for the throne I don't know. Maybe to have multiple options? In a perfect world they could always kill off ones who weren't working out - but that seems really cynical, especially for Varys who is trying to rebuild the targaryens ( for whatever reason ) . This is my problem here... I could have used some foreshadowing that there were more players in the wings... bringing grif in at this point is just like "wtf". Or maybe its some Eddie Murphy TRADING PLACES poo poo, where Illyrio and Varys bet a ducat on whether Illryo could make Griff into a prince? A Major Fucker posted:nice classism in your takedown of trolling Thanks. The irony of course being that we ALL smell of piss and danyberries in this thread. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate some solid trolling. But c'mon already - if that is your goal you gotta step up the game, or gtfo.You wanna troll this thread? Get it shut down, and get the mods to wrap it into the Show discussion thread. Then you can go "u mad lol", because I legitimately would be. Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:
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The Young Griff subplot is just because so far GRRM hasn't had a chance to sperg about all the areas he drew in the Stormlands map and to introduce 50 additional houses and sigils to the book and to lovingly describe ten of these in great detail with five new mysteries that will go unsolved when he dies. But it is a fascinating tale and I want to read more about it.
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So guys, I have some special editions of the series which are going for around £2,000 on eBay. Is now a good time to sell or should I hold onto them a bit longer? I'm scared if I don't sell soon everyone will realise how poo poo the series really is and they'll be worthless.
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Tea Bone posted:So guys, I have some special editions of the series which are going for around £2,000 on eBay. Is now a good time to sell or should I hold onto them a bit longer? I'm scared if I don't sell soon everyone will realise how poo poo the series really is and they'll be worthless. You are clearly a shrewd investor. Because of this, I'll offer you a steep discount on a signed copy of TB Threads "Game of Bones".
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Tea Bone posted:So guys, I have some special editions of the series which are going for around £2,000 on eBay. Is now a good time to sell or should I hold onto them a bit longer? I'm scared if I don't sell soon everyone will realise how poo poo the series really is and they'll be worthless. I'd hold on to them for a bit. Should the author suddenly ... um ... stop writing the books ... they probably go up in value.
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Knuc U Kinte posted:Actually this thread is really sad, dude. You're like its number one defender which makes you king of the sad fuckwits, I'm afraid. You have to remember, a lot of these guys started reading these books when they were in high school. They were fresh faced teenagers just starting to show signs of neck beard stubble. Now they're pushing 40 and they're still waiting for GRRM to finish the story they invested themselves in. They've probably read the same five books 10 to 15 times already. If they haven't they've forgotten most of the minor plot points and hundreds of characters GRRM introduced and just don't give a poo poo anymore. They don't care about the slew of mysteries and the dangling plot threads and the almost decade long cliffhanger that the last book ended on anymore. They're jaded and have been burned too many times by GRRM already.
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Knuc U Kinte posted:Actually this thread is really sad, dude. You're like its number one defender which makes you king of the sad fuckwits, I'm afraid. Who saddens the sadders? The saddest. EDIT: Gianthogweed posted:You have to remember, a lot of these guys started reading these books when they were in high school. They were fresh faced teenagers just starting to show signs of neck beard stubble. Now they're pushing 40 and they're still waiting for GRRM to finish the story they invested themselves in. They've probably read the same five books 10 to 15 times already. If they haven't they've forgotten most of the minor plot points and hundreds of characters GRRM introduced and just don't give a poo poo anymore. They don't care about the slew of mysteries and the dangling plot threads and the almost decade long cliffhanger that the last book ended on anymore. They're jaded and have been burned too many times by GRRM already. Who the gently caress is GRRM. Shageletic fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Jun 11, 2015 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:I have a quick question...was Thoros sacrificing people to bring Dondarion back to life? Because if not then that's just another thing Mel sucks at. That might also be why the regeneration magic started petering out.
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Knuc U Kinte posted:This thread was supposed to be untrollable. Crying walrus man is ruining y'all's reputation. Turns out when you spend all your time saying retarded things and being a retarded person people come to think you're a retard whenever you open your dumbfuck mouth. Shageletic posted:Who the gently caress is GRRM. Scholarly theories range from a portly man in an ugly sailor hat who gropes young girls at nerd conventions to a pear-shaped cryptozoological oddity that subsumes pretty young women in dank apartment basements. We're waiting on the carbon dating from some samples. kcroy posted:Thanks. The irony of course being that we ALL smell of piss and danyberries in this thread. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate some solid trolling. But c'mon already - if that is your goal you gotta step up the game, or gtfo.You wanna troll this thread? Get it shut down, and get the mods to wrap it into the Show discussion thread. Then you can go "u mad lol", because I legitimately would be. P. much. Acting like I was baited because I shut his weaksauce attempt to troll the gently caress down without blinking using logic that's been running in this thread for years is loving weak. quote:And yet, here you are? There's always that one retard who thinks he's an anthropologist-cum-Kauffman.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I have a quick question...was Thoros sacrificing people to bring Dondarion back to life? Because if not then that's just another thing Mel sucks at. No, he just gave a dead Beric the ceremonial 'kiss of fire' which is part of the traditional burial ceremony for r'hllor followers and he was super surprised when Beric all of a sudden returned to life. Thoros hasn't sacrificed anyone to the red god.
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