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That's pretty standard these days. Our 4Runner has one and most BMWs do as well.
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The BMW ones love to explode and of course the aftermarket solution is a metal one
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Jun 11, 2015 14:25
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FRP coolant parts are the worst thing ever. It sure looks like that head gasket got cooked bad. At least 1.8s aren't really hard to find.
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Jun 11, 2015 14:53
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1uz-fe's have a plastic thermostat housing. It's a wear item and needs to be replaced every x thousand miles. Not sure why as all other engine coolant fittings are aluminium. Thankfully it's a 30 second swap (just like the starter motor).
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Jun 11, 2015 15:11
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I think my favorite Toyota cooling system contraption is the 3VZ-E water neck. Yeah so it has a timing belt idler pulley MOUNTED AROUND IT, what could possibly go wrong? Note the two tiny fasteners (they use a threaded stud and a nut, too) that go into it to hold the next piece on. Those would never ever seize into a cast part and snap off, necessitating replacement of the water neck, necessitating loving with the timing over what started as a simple cooling system repair, now would they? 
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Jun 11, 2015 15:20
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I like how it's an idler and not even the water pump (which looks to be mounted right below it) I had to change a cam sprocket on a 1uz the other days. Yes, days.
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Jun 11, 2015 15:38
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MrYenko posted:Plastic coolant fittings are pretty much the worst thing ever. I had a friend who asked me to take a look at her Daewoo once, it was puking coolant. Turns out the ENTIRE THERMOSTAT HOUSING was plastic. Essentially guaranteed to fail every 30k miles or so. Alfa went through a period with the 156 where they were using water pumps with plastic impellers that worked about as well as you expect. The fix was to replace it with the later metal waterpump next belt change. That for the 5 pot TDI came to about $1500.
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Jun 11, 2015 15:47
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revmoo posted:That's pretty standard these days. Our 4Runner has one and most BMWs do as well. Correct. Since MINI is made by BMW, they have a nice little thermostat housing with built in thermostat, all plastic that's been termed 'the jarvik'. Fails right after warranty expires and lets you know by pooling coolant on top of the transmission. Note: minis also do not come with coolant temperature gages. Behold!  And where it lives:  I'm patiently waiting for the next 22,000 miles when the one in my wife's Mini takes a poo poo.
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Jun 11, 2015 17:44
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Oh, that's way worse (and more appropriately named) than the Land Rover D2/P38 external thermostat that was dubbed the same:
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Jun 11, 2015 17:58
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BloodBag posted:Correct. Since MINI is made by BMW, they have a nice little thermostat housing with built in thermostat, all plastic that's been termed 'the jarvik'. What in the actual gently caress? I count at least five hose barbs? Wonder_Bread fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jun 11, 2015 |
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Jun 11, 2015 18:01
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ah yes fritz ve vill run ze coolant trou de plastics it iz lighter weight ya haans dab ist wunderbar, ve vill altso run ze coolan trou das EE GGEEE ARRRR servo on ze sprinters to cool dem! Fritz ze volkswagen have alrety beat us to cooled lights ve must catch up! mich efficiency das lighter material erstaunlich
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Jun 11, 2015 18:03
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BloodBag posted:Correct. Since MINI is made by BMW, they have a nice little thermostat housing with built in thermostat, all plastic that's been termed 'the jarvik'. I like the oil line on top of the turbo in the cooper S that you can literally touch and crack loose with a box end in 2 seconds flat and the other end is bolted to the side of the block requiring g you to pull the exhaust manifold after removing the front end
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Jun 11, 2015 18:04
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Slow is Fast posted:Fritz ze volkswagen have alrety beat us to cooled lights ve must catch up!  Here's what happens when das Amerikaners take a page out of the Germans' book and decide to introduce a cooled fuel system by refusing to install a $1 water/fuel separator into their diesel car. 
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Jun 11, 2015 18:09
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BloodBag posted:Correct. Since MINI is made by BMW, they have a nice little thermostat housing with built in thermostat, all plastic that's been termed 'the jarvik'. I can confirm that these are about as fun to replace as you'd imagine.
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Jun 11, 2015 18:30
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This thread always makes me happy I opted for the 100k mile warranty on my car, and also why I spend the extra money to buy new every few years.
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Jun 11, 2015 20:00
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kastein posted:I think my favorite Toyota cooling system contraption is the 3VZ-E water neck. The 3VZ is one of the few genuinely garbage Toyota engines. Even then it just Isn't That Bad compared to a lot of other brands. ShittyPostmakerPro posted:I like how it's an idler and not even the water pump (which looks to be mounted right below it) I'd love to know why it took you so long, no special tools required and the vehicles they come in usually have loads of space to work.
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Jun 11, 2015 23:14
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Slavvy posted:
Yeah the 1UZ is my favorite engine. Everyone at my shop dreads them and I smile because there easy as piss to work on. Literally my favorite crowded engine bay.
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Jun 11, 2015 23:21
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Slavvy posted:I'd love to know why it took you so long, no special tools required and the vehicles they come in usually have loads of space to work. It was in a UZZ32 Soarer, their 1UZ is unique in that it has a large metal timing cover which is blocked by pretty much everything in the front of the engine bay. Radiator, all ancillaries, most PS pipes all get in the way. Access to of of these things is somewhat restricted. Also 24 year old car from Japan/UK. Also it rained all afternoon on day 1  . I was quoted 17 hours of labour by a local garage and did it in under 10.But yes, a 10,12,14,17,19 and 22mm socket is pretty much all you need to do anything on these cars.
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Jun 12, 2015 00:37
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Oh. Forgot that the lesser soarers come with that engine, I can see why that would be a problem.
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Jun 12, 2015 01:16
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Slavvy posted:Oh. Forgot that the lesser soarers come with that engine, I can see why that would be a problem. Er, UZZ32 is the exact opposite of a lesser Soarer. That being said, I would like to know why they opted for a hydraulic cooling fan on their top-of-the-line model - since they didn't use vacuum power locks or windows I have to assume they had access to electrical motors.
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Jun 12, 2015 01:59
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This is from the Jetta Oh, and its not the plastic that is the issue, not so much. The flange is not filled in, so there are open areas above and below where the flange seats against the head, and when the seal goes out, it doesn't leak coolant visibly, but instead leaks the coolant into those empty spaces in the plastic, against the head. And then it pits out where the flange sits against the head. THEN it leaks out, now that you cannot seat the flange anymore due to pitting.
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Jun 12, 2015 02:07
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At least they used commonly available AMP/TE Junior Power Timer connectors on those sensors, instead of something weird and bespoke? Grasping for straws here... (JPT connectors kinda suck but they work and at least they're super easy to recognize and available EVERYWHERE.)
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Jun 12, 2015 02:18
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More difficult to manufacture AND a worse design than just having a solid flange. Well done VW
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Jun 12, 2015 02:21
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CommieGIR posted:This is from the Jetta Where exactly does that thing hook up at? Some guy from another parts store called us when he couldn't find it for a customer and even though I found it from guessing the name and a general description of the item, I still have no clue where that loving thing goes.
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Jun 12, 2015 02:24
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I'm fortunate enough to have an aluminum thermostat housing in my car, but the plastic heater control valve makes up for it, I guess: I noticed a small leak one day and when I went in for a closer look, I made the mistake of nudging the hose which resulted in the drat thing snapping right off.  There's also a plastic 'T' fitting on the other end of that hose that broke while I was removing it to get the broken fragments of the valve out. Thanks GM! 
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Jun 12, 2015 03:15
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Don't worry, Jeep uses those too. Fortunately they realized that it was redundant garbage and eliminated it for the 97 XJ model year. I broke mine the same way, I nudged it about half an inch over (it's hanging out in space suspended 6 inches from anything by heater hoses) while changing my spark plugs and it was abruptly in multiple pieces and pouring coolant everywhere. 1/2" copper pipe makes a good substitute so I just sweated up a couple elbows and eliminated it 
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Jun 12, 2015 03:24
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All of those plastic thermostat housings looked familiar so on a hunch I looked up the one for my parents old Vanagon...  There are a bunch of those coolant pipes I remember dad replacing several times each over the years.
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Jun 12, 2015 03:28
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This coolant pipe is under the intake on a BMW M42 motor. It's loving stupid.
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Jun 12, 2015 03:54
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IPCRESS posted:Er, UZZ32 is the exact opposite of a lesser Soarer. That being said, I would like to know why they opted for a hydraulic cooling fan on their top-of-the-line model - since they didn't use vacuum power locks or windows I have to assume they had access to electrical motors.
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Elmnt80 posted:Where exactly does that thing hook up at? Some guy from another parts store called us when he couldn't find it for a customer and even though I found it from guessing the name and a general description of the item, I still have no clue where that loving thing goes. Depends, but I believe this one goes on the side of the head.  Yup.
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Jun 12, 2015 04:42
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All of a sudden, I feel slightly less bad about my Goddamned Cooling System. At least everything's easy to get at
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MrChips posted:All of a sudden, I feel slightly less bad about my Goddamned Cooling System. At least everything's easy to get at Seriously, I was cursing the tiny hands of the asian engineer who designed my cooling system, but god drat am I happy that it's all rubber and metal
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Root Bear posted:I'm fortunate enough to have an aluminum thermostat housing in my car, but the plastic heater control valve makes up for it, I guess: I had one of these fuckers literally blow apart after going full-throttle on a Volvo 760 Turbo. Then again, it seemed like nearly every plastic part on that Swedish meatball would crumble into dust if you looked at it wrong.
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IPCRESS posted:Er, UZZ32 is the exact opposite of a lesser Soarer. That being said, I would like to know why they opted for a hydraulic cooling fan on their top-of-the-line model - since they didn't use vacuum power locks or windows I have to assume they had access to electrical motors. Apparently its more efficient as well as being quieter. Electric fans suffer due to alternators efficiency. These hydraulic fans have a bypass valve which opens and closes dependant on demand, so the load on the engine is reduced when cooling is not required (unlike a viscous fan). That being said, I struggle to believe that, since the engine fan hilariously has its own tiny radiator to cool the hydraulic fluid it uses. So yeah, the car's radiator fan has its own radiator. The suspension radiator has an electric fan, though. These cars are hydraulic everything though, with two power steering pumps, hydraulic suspension, hydroboost brakes and that hilarious fan setup. The only thing that the engine turns which isn't a hydraulic pump of some kind is the alternator (and the AC compressor, I guess?) As far as I know, the only items which use vacuum are the FPR, charcoal canister and heater valve. Also lol at 'lesser Soarer'. Lesser in quantity, yes. Pomp and Circumcized fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Jun 12, 2015 |
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Elmnt80 posted:Where exactly does that thing hook up at? Some guy from another parts store called us when he couldn't find it for a customer and even though I found it from guessing the name and a general description of the item, I still have no clue where that loving thing goes. back of the head. I've replaced a couple of em on loving beetles. Fanchat: In the desert an electric fan is good for about 3-4mpg over a large mechanical on lovely little v8s.
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CommieGIR posted:This is from the Jetta Got the same exact thing on the Zamboni. It leaks on both of my machines and I have to add coolant every week.
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Jun 12, 2015 16:49
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ShittyPostmakerPro posted:Also lol at 'lesser Soarer'. Lesser in quantity, yes. Especially in North America, where the turbo JZ model doesn't exist and the tiny number of JZ cars that were specced with a manual all got torn down as donors to make manual UZ cars, the SC400 is the one to have. Its only drawback (vs. the naturally aspirated/slushbox SC300) at that point is MPGs.
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Friend 3 years ago: What car should I buy. Me: Toyota / Honda they are appliances and will last forever Friend: But I GOTTA BUY AMURIKAN the money stays here, REAGANOMICS< THE ECONOMY!!11 * 3 years pass* Friend: How much can I expect to pay for Bearings/Pads/ Rotors me: Your Bearings are gone.. isn't that car 2-3 years old. friend:yes extra fun for him is it's a full hub/bearing assembly.. $100+/side Told him to at least make sure to find a shop that shop won't double charge labor for brakes/hubs. tater_salad fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jun 12, 2015 |
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Jun 12, 2015 19:26
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If it's hub/bearing assembly then gently caress having a shop do it, they just bolt on.
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revmoo posted:If it's hub/bearing assembly then gently caress having a shop do it, they just bolt on. I know I'm in the middle of 2 moves my driveway mechanics shop is packed up for the next 2 months. Told him that parts +$50 in tools and someone with a brain can help.
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