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Anime Schoolgirl posted:actually exactly one month after that they were talking to bethesda about whether they should make a new game somewhere in New Orleans or some poo poo so i'm pretty sure that's overblown by internet people really? awesome, this I didn't know. PoE was disappointing, but I dunno anyone I'd get optimistic about the Fallout license for today like I would Obsidian.
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Crap, so your character really does get shoehorned into a straight relationship?
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Jun 15, 2015 08:33
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frajaq posted:Did they say how many weapons the game is gonna have? did I miss something from the showcase? "50" is the number todd howard threw around but the ones we know for sure is: 10mm pistol that you can turn automatic (and looks more like the Fallout 1/2 10mm pistol) .38 caliber "pipe rifle" that's actually an SMG assault rifle laser gun plasma gun junk gun cryo gun that will likely be removed from the game fat man
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Jun 15, 2015 08:34
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A. Beaverhausen posted:Crap, so your character really does get shoehorned into a straight relationship? And parenthood.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:34
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crawlkill posted:the sad thing is I'll be completely unable to resist buying Fallout 4. I give this poo poo a CHANCE. every time. "fool me an infinite number of times, shame on me." I hope Obsidian does a licensed game, but I don't think anyone thinks that's likely. Do anything else with your life besides post in this thread. You don't need the stress. Game looks fun as well. Can't wait.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:36
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PerpetualSelf posted:Yeah how dare people spend $50 on the sequel to a game from a studio whose games most people spend 80+ hours players. please stop using this as an example
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Jun 15, 2015 08:36
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A. Beaverhausen posted:Crap, so your character really does get shoehorned into a straight relationship? At first, but a lot can change in 200 years 
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Jun 15, 2015 08:36
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A. Beaverhausen posted:Crap, so your character really does get shoehorned into a straight relationship? welcome to the voiced protagonist! please, can I decide a few things for you? I don't particularly mind being breederized, whatever, but the implications for player agency in general are hilariously grim
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Jun 15, 2015 08:37
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crawlkill posted:really? awesome, this I didn't know. PoE was disappointing, but I dunno anyone I'd get optimistic about the Fallout license for today like I would Obsidian.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:38
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Die Laughing posted:Do anything else with your life besides post in this thread. You don't need the stress. BUT WHAT IF I ENJOY IT? it's not impossible! it might happen! I mean, MOST people like Bethesda games! I keep imagining "maybe this one will be different!" this thread may make me look like a pessimist, but I'm actually a DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED OPTIMIST. plus I just couldn't handle it if other people were talking about a Fallout game and I couldn't offer an opinion
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Jun 15, 2015 08:39
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frajaq posted:Did they say how many weapons the game is gonna have? did I miss something from the showcase? 50 base weapons that you then customize to change their behavior so "700" combinations.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:39
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A. Beaverhausen posted:Crap, so your character really does get shoehorned into a straight relationship? Also he or she is a veteran. So you're a straight middle class pre-war veteran (or an android implanted with the memories and appearance of a straight middle class pre-war veteran) who has a baby and a dead spouse you're gonna be sad about.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:40
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crawlkill posted:welcome to the voiced protagonist! please, can I decide a few things for you? So if I can't connect with the character than I already don't give a gently caress. Nice Bethesda. Republican Vampire posted:Also he or she is a veteran. So you're a straight middle class pre-war veteran (or an android implanted with the memories and appearance of a straight middle class pre-war veteran) who has a baby and a dead spouse you're gonna be sad about. OK yeah gently caress this game. Maybe I'll buy the next elder scrolls.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:40
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frajaq posted:Did they say how many weapons the game is gonna have? did I miss something from the showcase? According to the stream, there'll be around 50 'base' weapons, each of which can be customized in any number of ways. We've seen laser pistols become laser automatic shotguns, plasma pistols become plasma sniper rifles, baseball bats with circular saws attached to become cutting weapons, etc etc etc. Your guess is as good as anyone else's as to how many of those 50 'base' weapons would be divided into unarmed/melee/gun/explosive/energy. I definitely look forward, however, to customizing the poo poo out of a flamer/incinerator. I wonder if I'll be able to produce a sniper rifle that fires explosive fireballs. Also I need a pyromaniac perk.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:41
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Republican Vampire posted:Also he or she is a veteran. So you're a straight middle class pre-war veteran (or an android implanted with the memories and appearance of a straight middle class pre-war veteran) who has a baby and a dead spouse you're gonna be sad about. Until about 5 mins into the game, and then you're just some shmuck crawling around in the dirt doing a side quest to get parts for this sex bot so you can infiltrate this night club to get some sweet cash. What I'm saying is the main plot/starting point of these sorts of games are all kind of easy to ignore.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:42
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:POE owned, any game where a wizard wears plate armor makes the best wizard and rogues having a niche being "hit for 326 damage and instagib forest trolls" owns. it's the first Obsidian game I've played where I didn't care about the setting or any of the characters, PC or NPC, and found the dialogue utilitarian rather than joyful =\ plus I just found the combat samey and dull. but that's a topic for another thread. A. Beaverhausen posted:So if I can't connect with the character than I already don't give a gently caress. Nice Bethesda. don't be silly, the voiced protagonist has ALWAYS been about excluding people! did you notice how between Dragon Age 1 and 2 the quality of PC dialogue dropped from "whatever took the writer's fancy" to "being a vehicle for asking questions and giving straightforward opinions?" UGH. at least Geralt has some character...even though I'm pretty sure at least 50% of the human race couldn't connect with him.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:42
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No Mods No Masters posted:All the pre-war stuff is just the questionable memories implanted into your robot body anyway, you can choose to believe they define your character as a person or not Actually, plumbing that rabbit-hole... did Fallout 3 have absolute proof that these people were androids, not just people who had been super-brainwashed into thinking they were androids? Near-perfect human androids always seemed a bit out of step with Fallout's aesthetic and technology. Mad science super-brainwashing seemed much more in step with things. I'm just saying, if the twist that you were a robot was followed up with a further twist that you were just some no-name wasteland schmuck being messed with by the Institute could fit with themes that a videogame is well suited to explore. I don't remember that quest line well enough to know if this is possible.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:42
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A. Beaverhausen posted:So if I can't connect with the character than I already don't give a gently caress. Nice Bethesda. On the one hand I don't agree with giving the player a concrete backstory and think that's incredibly stupid, but on the other, the character doesn't have to be exactly like you for you to be able to connect to them. If they do then you might want to think about broadening your horizons a bit.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:42
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:What I'm saying is the main plot/starting point of these sorts of games are all kind of easy to ignore. Not if you're a sperg
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Jun 15, 2015 08:45
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CJacobs posted:On the one hand I don't agree with giving the player a concrete backstory and think that's incredibly stupid, but on the other, the character doesn't have to be exactly like you for you to be able to connect to them. If they do then you might want to think about broadening your horizons a bit. gently caress that. I have never been able to connect to any media that uses missing/dead spouse/children as a 'thing'. it's lazy and bullshit.
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CJacobs posted:On the one hand I don't agree with giving the player a concrete backstory and think that's incredibly stupid, but on the other, the character doesn't have to be exactly like you for you to be able to connect to them. If they do then you might want to think about broadening your horizons a bit. broaden your horizons...into being the most generic real-world American imaginable? if it were a studio with writing talent, I could see it being a point being made on the 1950s prewar aesthetic, but it isn't. imagine how the broader audience would react if you were required to start out as a divorced gay female-to-male transsexual, unemployed because of his alcoholism, whose kids hated him. YOU might say "you don't need to be like your character to connect to them," but how much currency do you think that argument would carry in general if the default were thoroughly queer?
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Eiba posted:I would be 100% okay with this. Convenient that it's a robot that corroborates your backstory after you wake up. It's been a long rear end time since I played fallout 3 but I think you were really supposed to believe the guy was an android, yeah. It's definitely an implausible stupid and derivative idea even by Fallout standards which is why I really enjoy them making it the central plot twist of this game
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Jun 15, 2015 08:47
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Until about 5 mins into the game, and then you're just some shmuck crawling around in the dirt doing a side quest to get parts for this sex bot so you can infiltrate this night club to get some sweet cash. It's harder and harder to ignore it though. I mean Fallout 3 made a huge deal about your past and your dad and you could stumble into that all over, and now that the protagonist is voiced for the sake of telling a stronger, more coherent story through having a stronger and more coherent main character.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Until about 5 mins into the game, and then you're just some shmuck crawling around in the dirt doing a side quest to get parts for this sex bot so you can infiltrate this night club to get some sweet cash. Sure, but ignoring it doesn't mean it's not there. You really think the game's gonna give you that background stuff and not utilize it by itself?
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This settlement building mechanics is loving awesome because I always wished I could stick around and help some places in Fallout 3, like improve Big Town/Republic of Dave/Arefu/Lincoln Memorial after the slaves move in. Like build modifications around it and help train them, for goodfeels (and xp)
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Jun 15, 2015 08:48
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frajaq posted:This settlement building mechanics is loving awesome because I always wished I could stick around and help some places in Fallout 3, like improve Big Town/Republic of Dave/Arefu/Lincoln Memorial after the slaves move in.
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Republican Vampire posted:It's harder and harder to ignore it though. I mean Fallout 3 made a huge deal about your past and your dad and you could stumble into that all over, and now that the protagonist is voiced for the sake of telling a stronger, more coherent story through having a stronger and more coherent main character. But Fallout has traditionally told strong stories while deliberately avoiding a coherent main character. It's never been necessary before. Why is it necessary now? It isn't; it's Bethesda doing their usual fall-back-to-basics thing. Whatever's most popular, whatever expects least of the consumer, do that!
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Eiba posted:I would be 100% okay with this. Convenient that it's a robot that corroborates your backstory after you wake up. You can give a robot part to the guy from the Institute and claim you got it from the android's corpse, and he'll believe you. There's also a guy who gave the android a face change and a memory wipe, so he presumably had to work with its internal components. So unless they're both in on the conspiracy, it's a safe bet that androids are canonically real. ZenMasterBullshit posted:Until about 5 mins into the game, and then you're just some shmuck crawling around in the dirt doing a side quest to get parts for this sex bot so you can infiltrate this night club to get some sweet cash. I strongly suspect that the game will try to make you feel like an rear end in a top hat for not caring about your family as much as the writers want you to.
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crawlkill posted:But Fallout has traditionally told strong stories while deliberately avoiding a coherent main character. It's never been necessary before. Why is it necessary now? It isn't; it's Bethesda doing their usual fall-back-to-basics thing. Whatever's most popular, whatever expects least of the consumer, do that! Find something else to do with your life.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:because bethesda combat AI is "charge at enemy and pull trigger" Hey, hey, hey! That's not true! Sometimes they forget you were ever there in spite of the bullets lodged in their skull and decide it was just the wind. BE FAIR. ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Find something else to do with your life. what exactly is there better to do at 1 AM on a Monday with no work tomorrow than arguing with internet strangers
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A. Beaverhausen posted:gently caress that. I have never been able to connect to any media that uses missing/dead spouse/children as a 'thing'. it's lazy and bullshit. why do you need to emotionally connect?
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Farm Frenzy posted:why do you need to emotionally connect? Because video games are a good emotional connection to those around you.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:53
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Find something else to do with your life. He's right. What's your deal? Farm Frenzy posted:why do you need to emotionally connect? Because just like with a book or a movie, if you can, it makes it better.
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crawlkill posted:broaden your horizons...into being the most generic real-world American imaginable? Broaden your horizons into identifying with a character that's not like you, yes. Surprisingly enough it's possible regardless of whether or not the kind of person the fictional character is is common in our real world or not. crawlkill posted:imagine how the broader audience would react if you were required to start out as a divorced gay female-to-male transsexual, unemployed because of his alcoholism, whose kids hated him. YOU might say "you don't need to be like your character to connect to them," but how much currency do you think that argument would carry in general if the default were thoroughly queer? I'm tired of telling people I'm gay whenever this argument comes up but here goes anyway. I'm gay. I know what it's like for there to be no characters "like me" in video games. I don't define myself by my sexual orientation or my gender, but my personality. If you can't connect to the character's backstory then fine, but the game is still going to let you shape their personality, and though I think the backstory is stupid, I can guarantee you they're going to let you make your person still be whoever you want them to be personality-wise. Saying you can't identify with a character solely because they don't share your life's characteristics is not particularly close-minded because the character's not real, but it is still being stubborn. Broaden your horizons. You have to remember that the game is going to let you make your guy or girl whoever you want them to be except for the things you can't change. It sucks that it is that way and I wish it wasn't, but writing the whole game off just because of the backstory is not keeping everything the game has to offer in mind. A. Beaverhausen posted:gently caress that. I have never been able to connect to any media that uses missing/dead spouse/children as a 'thing'. it's lazy and bullshit. This I agree with. "My X is dead waah" is an overused and annoying cliche.
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Sharkopath posted:50 base weapons that you then customize to change their behavior so "700" combinations. I'd take that number with the finest grain of salt as it most likely also includes named weapons or even be exaggerated to an unrealistic level. This the same guy who said Fallout 3 had over 200 endings after all. 
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crawlkill posted:what exactly is there to do at 1 AM on a Monday with no work tomorrow than arguing with internet strangers Replay Fallout 3 so you can go back and get a refresher about all those interesting charactesr that you've completely forgotten about Maybe this time you could try a negative karma character, nuke megaton, live in tenpenny tower, recruit Clover, and poison the purifier.
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Wait, if Intelligence basically has no purpose outside of increasing XP gain, then does that mean they also took out low or high intelligence conversation options?
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CJacobs posted:I'm tired of telling people I'm gay whenever this argument comes up yes, fellow human being here, I wasn't actually asking about you! did you read what I said? I said THE BROADER AUDIENCE. it wasn't about you! khy posted:Replay Fallout 3 there is nothing I would rather do less I will replay New Vegas five hundred times before I soil myself with Fallout 3 again
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A. Beaverhausen posted:gently caress that. I have never been able to connect to any media that uses missing/dead spouse/children as a 'thing'. it's lazy and bullshit. if you're offended by lazy bullshit hack writing why are you playing loving videogames
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Back Hack posted:I'd take that number with the finest grain of salt as it most likely also includes named weapons or even be exaggerated to an unrealistic level. This the same guy who said Fallout 3 had over 200 endings after all. W-would Todd Howard lie to me? In front of everyone??? 
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