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I don't think the exposition ever really lets up.
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# ? Jun 12, 2015 16:26 |
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I guess it's more that it's more boring exposition about the basic workings of the HGW. The first third of Fate right around when Saber first gets summoned was by far the hardest to get through, which wasn't helped by Shirou constantly fretting about being in close proximity to *gasp* a girl for more than 5 minutes.Raenir Salazar posted:Fate always stuck me as a more standard by the numbers Urban-Fantasy which was needed for the other two routes to make any sense or be as good as they are. I read Gil differently, he struck me as slightly less villainous in Fate; antagonistic sure, but in a more standard love triangle ish way. In Fate it seems like he's your enemy mostly because he's competing with Shirou for Saber (And did help out vs Caster).
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# ? Jun 12, 2015 16:39 |
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I found some footage of Gil experimenting with his style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0J62bwUCxg
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# ? Jun 12, 2015 16:49 |
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Nate RFB posted:I guess it's more that it's more boring exposition about the basic workings of the HGW. The first third of Fate right around when Saber first gets summoned was by far the hardest to get through, which wasn't helped by Shirou constantly fretting about being in close proximity to *gasp* a girl for more than 5 minutes. He realized Archer was going to be in the war longer than intended and realized he needed to fit his style to oppose it.
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# ? Jun 12, 2015 18:22 |
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Nate RFB posted:I also couldn't help but wonder why Gil only ever uses that casual outfit with the white jacket/hair up in Fate where as in all of the other routes and most other works he has that biker-jacket like look. Don't forget that one Shinji outfit that I think appears in only one bad end.
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# ? Jun 12, 2015 20:36 |
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Dr Pepper posted:Don't forget that one Shinji outfit that I think appears in only one bad end. I don't think I remember this outfit. Was it any good?
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# ? Jun 12, 2015 20:39 |
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this one?
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# ? Jun 12, 2015 20:43 |
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He legit raided Gil's closet for that jacket.
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# ? Jun 12, 2015 20:53 |
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Not a big loss for Gil, I'd imagine.
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# ? Jun 12, 2015 22:26 |
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Beef Waifu posted:He legit raided Gil's closet for that jacket.
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# ? Jun 12, 2015 22:30 |
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I liked the way they introduced Shirou to Ea in the latest episode, it never really made sense to me why Gil would show it off against an opponent as lowly as Shirou given his personality or how Shirou survived even a slight hit of it in the first place (isn't there some bullshit handwave about how Archer projected Rho Aias or something?).
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# ? Jun 13, 2015 23:35 |
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# ? Jun 14, 2015 00:05 |
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That's a bit on the nose.
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# ? Jun 14, 2015 02:17 |
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It's been a while (3 months), but I feel like posting about the mythological bases of the Servants again. Fifth War Servants, part 1: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3671286&userid=185993#post436718370 Fifth War Servants, part 2 (plus Avenger and Bazett): http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3671286&userid=185993#post437401489 Fourth War Servants, part 1: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3671286&userid=185993&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post442550886 Iskander/Alexander the Great (Rider):
Bluebeard/Gilles de Rais (Caster):
“Hundred-Faced” Hassan-i-Sabbah (Assassin):
Lancelot (Berseker):
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# ? Jun 14, 2015 03:12 |
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Silver2195 posted:
Everything I've read (which isn't much, honestly) has said that Gilles d'Rais' trial was based pretty much entirely on circumstantial evidence and likely false testimony from people who has something to gain from the confiscation of his assets. In fact, the Duke of Brittany, who was the prosecutor, received the titles to d'Rais' lands after his conviction. (i.e., What Caster says to Ryuunosuke about how he was tried because they wanted his land and it was all a big conspiracy by the local religious and secular leadership was pretty much true.)
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# ? Jun 14, 2015 04:52 |
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AlternateNu posted:Everything I've read (which isn't much, honestly) has said that Gilles d'Rais' trial was based pretty much entirely on circumstantial evidence and likely false testimony from people who has something to gain from the confiscation of his assets. In fact, the Duke of Brittany, who was the prosecutor, received the titles to d'Rais' lands after his conviction. (i.e., What Caster says to Ryuunosuke about how he was tried because they wanted his land and it was all a big conspiracy by the local religious and secular leadership was pretty much true.) I personally found it interesting how Gilles isn't such a complete sociopath in that he doesn't know what he's doing. He seems somewhat similar to Kirei in that he seems to somewhat understand his actions are wrong (Probably more so than Kirei in his observable guilt); but sees his lack of consequence as evidence that the universe is cruel. I'm vaguely interested in how Joan viewed Gilles if he looked like that (obviously evil) in the Hundred Years War. Was she just such a 'innocent' person that she saw the good in everyone like Shirou? Or did he only get disfigured as a result of being burned? The only thing I'm disappointed with in Rider is that his sword, the one he presumably used to cut the mentioned knot doesn't have an ability associated with it.
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# ? Jun 14, 2015 06:01 |
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He was not a bug-eyed freak when Jeanne was alive and she was pretty appalled to learn the stuff he did on her name on Apocrypha because when she died he was her good friend.
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# ? Jun 14, 2015 06:35 |
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You know, I just realized that the grail being full of evil (via Avenger) is pretty much the same thing as what Kotomine says to Shirou in the beginning: "Rejoice, your wish for a villain to overcome has been granted." Does that have anything to do with anything? It seems like it'd be important, but I can't remember that theme coming up ever again. I mean, the theme that "the naive wish to be good is equivalent to the wish that evil was something external." You'd think that would be part of Kotomine's character arc, but... nope. Or is it? I guess he had the opposite wish, that evil was something internal that wasn't his fault? But then he's kinda right? I do not know how the game feels about this.
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 08:18 |
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Anyone else here gonna try out Grand Order when it releases?
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 10:15 |
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Apocron posted:Anyone else here gonna try out Grand Order when it releases? If it's a decent phone game (I assume it'll be gatcha like every other phone game), and if it's translated I'd probably try it. Still haven't felt like making a Japanese itunes account just to play Japanese phone games, but I know a bunch of other goons do it for certain gatcha games, since the Japanese versions tend to be more generous with premium currency than the global versions.
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 10:40 |
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Clarste posted:You know, I just realized that the grail being full of evil (via Avenger) is pretty much the same thing as what Kotomine says to Shirou in the beginning: "Rejoice, your wish for a villain to overcome has been granted." Does that have anything to do with anything? It seems like it'd be important, but I can't remember that theme coming up ever again. I mean, the theme that "the naive wish to be good is equivalent to the wish that evil was something external." You'd think that would be part of Kotomine's character arc, but... nope. Or is it? I guess he had the opposite wish, that evil was something internal that wasn't his fault? But then he's kinda right? I think either UBW or HF directly read into this theme. The former is that in order to have people he can protect their must be evil to be defeated (and thus suffering must exist for their to be good, which is rather twisted and in character for Kotomine). In HF this is presented in a more deeply personal way when the person he's saving is just Sakura, and the person he's saving her from is well, Sakura. What's a gatcha game? I want to play it if/when translated for the story.
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 14:46 |
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It's like those machines where you put a dollar in and turn the crank and out comes a capsule with the 5th Mario toy when you really wanted a Luigi.
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 15:21 |
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I just finished playing Fate/Extra with Archer as my servant. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit, even though I wasn't a huge fan of the rock/paper/scissors combat system (I ended up just looking up enemy patterns and working out a logic puzzle every time for which attacks had the highest chance of succeeding/not hurting me). I think the whole pattern of learning about your opponent's servant before fighting them was pretty cool and interesting. Shinji being an 8 year old super-hacker and a huge dick (but not outright evil/rapey) was pretty funny. Also, the end boss guy was hilarious in how much talking he does. I think it took me about 15 minutes just to read through everything he had to say. I guess he was just lonely and felt the need to talk a whole bunch before attempting to kill you. I started a play-through with the Caster servant. She seems really obnoxious so far, but I felt like it would be too easy to play as Saber after having already done Archer (who is apparently more difficult). The first few rounds will probably be really boring, but I want to see the Rani route content (I did Rin's route first). I hope that someone translates CCC at some point. I know some Japanese and could probably make sense of what's going on, but it would be a huge chore given my not-fluent skill level. I really want to play with Gilgamesh. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jun 15, 2015 |
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edit: double post, whoops
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 18:33 |
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Apocron posted:Anyone else here gonna try out Grand Order when it releases? I want to for sure, but I wish it was a web browser game instead of an phone game, like Touken Ranbu.
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 18:37 |
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Ytlaya posted:I just finished playing Fate/Extra with Archer as my servant. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit, even though I wasn't a huge fan of the rock/paper/scissors combat system (I ended up just looking up enemy patterns and working out a logic puzzle every time for which attacks had the highest chance of succeeding/not hurting me). I think the whole pattern of learning about your opponent's servant before fighting them was pretty cool and interesting. Shinji being an 8 year old super-hacker and a huge dick (but not outright evil/rapey) was pretty funny. Also, the end boss guy was hilarious in how much talking he does. I think it took me about 15 minutes just to read through everything he had to say. I guess he was just lonely and felt the need to talk a whole bunch before attempting to kill you. There's a translation here (with Gil as the Servant), although it stops right before the end: https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/entry-index/
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 18:50 |
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You should stop playing Caster and do Saber because she is good.
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 19:02 |
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Extra Saber is the bomb diggity
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 19:49 |
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What's the deal with all the shikis
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 19:56 |
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Namtab posted:What's the deal with all the shikis Eh, parallel universe shenanigans. All you need to know it that Tohno Shiki is a bugfucking nuts rear end in a top hat while Ryougi Shiki is superior and a badass.
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 19:59 |
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Namtab posted:What's the deal with all the shikis "---Shut, up----" The incessant racket does not stop. Shikishiki. The unnatural sounds. I can hear them coming from behind me. Shikishiki. Shikishiki. Shikishiki.
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 20:04 |
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So is girl shiki a plant? All she has is water. This is what I took from kara no kyoukai 1
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 20:39 |
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A time when SHIKI still existed within shiki? What's up with all the shikis, chapter 2 preview
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 20:45 |
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Namtab posted:So is girl shiki a plant? All she has is water. Ryougi is the original Shiki before all that Tohno bullshit decided to rear its ugly head in the Nasuverse. And she ends up developing a taste for a delicious foreign-sounding frozen treat.
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 20:58 |
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Namtab posted:So is girl shiki a plant? All she has is water. This is quite possible
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 21:00 |
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AlternateNu posted:Ryougi is the original Shiki before all that Tohno bullshit decided to rear its ugly head in the Nasuverse. Correction: she's all three original shikis.
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 21:01 |
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It's five hours in but finally the second movie stopped being the guy who looks like real shiki stalking girl shiki
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 21:39 |
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So you've got girl shiki and boy SHIKI who is girl shikis urge to kill. No sign of the mystic eyes so there's prob a third shiki for the eyes I really didn't get movie 2
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 21:44 |
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Kara no Kyoukai is trippy as gently caress when viewing it the first time...
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# ? Jun 15, 2015 21:48 |
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# ? Apr 19, 2024 21:45 |
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Namtab posted:So you've got girl shiki and boy SHIKI who is girl shikis urge to kill. No sign of the mystic eyes so there's prob a third shiki for the eyes The movies aren't in chronological order either, just to make things worse.
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