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computer parts posted:Do you mean no backstory as in you have multiple options that can fit into the story just fine? Because tons of games would fulfill that. Pillars of Eternity would count because you can be any sort of class and work through the game, even if your past life is very important. You are forced into the track of "you are a watcher" regardless of any other choices, no blank canvas there.
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The problem with Bethesda placing more specific story to focus you character on is that it limits the player's imagination. Fallout at it's heart is basically a tabletop roleplaying game converted into a video game, and part of that is being able to create a unique character for every playthrough. In Fallout 1 and 2, the backstory is just that you grew up in a vault and a tribe, respectively, everything else was up to you. Then in Fallout 3, your whole childhood is written out for you, forcing you to be friends with the overseer's daughter, bullied by a gang of greasers, and having Liam Neeson as your only parent. All you could really choose was whether you were super nice or a grade-A rear end in a top hat. New Vegas goes back to the freedom of origin with the only thing about you was that you got hired to deliver a package and shot in the head by an rear end in a top hat in a checkered suit. Not only that, but with the diverse background of the west coast, you could be basically anyone. Maybe you're a vagrant, or a forgotten NCR veteran, or a former raider, or a tribal who's taken to civilization. The only limit is your imagination. From what Fallout 4 looks like, there's no freedom of background. You are a middle class pre-war man/woman with a heterosexual spouse and a newborn child. You got picked for a vault, and somehow end up 200 years in the future (gonna suggest cryogenics). Maybe you can come up with a few things, but chances are there's going to be flashbacks showing even more. Sorry for ranting. Also, I've been playing Fallout Shelter, and it's alright. Anyone else try it out?
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Praetorian Mage posted:That's the problem - I don't want to have to tell everyone to get hosed. I'd rather not be in that position in the first place. What I'm anticipating is that people playing good characters will be forced to pick the "I miss my spouse and kid" dialogue options or risk being inconsistent with the rest of their character's behavior. Sure, you could be an rear end in a top hat who says "gently caress my family" because you're an rear end in a top hat, but what if you want to be a good guy who just didn't go for the whole "wife and kids" thing? I dunno, don't talk to people who ask you about your wife and kid I guess? Or pick the "yeah it's sad they died but welp can't do anything about it" option which I imagine will be present, it's not as though bethesda only ever includes gently caress YOU and Counselor Troi dialogue options. Mass effect gave you like, three options which affected maybe two or three throwaway lines in the entire game so I don't really think there's much difference there. It seems relatively inconsequential whether or not you care about your dead wife and kid given everything else you end up doing in the average bethsoft game.
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closeted republican posted:It's a Bethesda game, ignoring the main plot to go build Kickass City is just fine. I mean, how many people actually completed Oblivion and Skyrim's main quests? The Steam achievements let you see exactly how many. Out of all owners of the game, only 28% of players completed the final main quest. poo poo, less than 3/4 of all players even absorbed a dragon soul (you can gently caress off and ignore the main quest before even unlocking Shouts). For comparison, on New Vegas, 13.2% of players completed the Wild Card ending, 7% completed the House ending, 7.4% completed the NCR ending, and 4.4% completed the Legion ending. This doesn't show how many players in total completed the game (since multiple completions of the game with multiple endings aren't accounted for), but it's still pretty normal for 1/3 or fewer of the players to actually beat the main quest.
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Jun 17, 2015 08:24
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Ok, so, I got caught up in the moment and spent an extra $70 on the pip-boy pre order thing. Should I un-pre-order it? I mean, the creators themselves called it a lovely gimmick (after I ordered it, of course). Also, is Fallout 3 for xbox one bundled with all Fallout 4 editions, or only certain ones? Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, I'm just a stupid person.
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Jun 17, 2015 08:24
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Let's be honest each other, with ourselves, with T. Howard: The game needs crotch shots. Like, I realize that somebody out there is spitting out their Ramune and insisting that head shots are the only thing that really "matter" in targeted combat, but the reality is that the best way to shoot somebody is not necessarily the best way to kill them. Unreal Tournament '99 had a community-made mutator that added "crotch shots" and it was always at the top of THE list. I wholeheartedly support this idea.
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Jun 17, 2015 08:25
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Let's be honest each other, with ourselves, with T. Howard: The game needs crotch shots. Like, I realize that somebody out there is spitting out their Ramune and insisting that head shots are the only thing that really "matter" in targeted combat, but the reality is that the best way to shoot somebody is not necessarily the best way to kill them. Unreal Tournament '99 had a community-made mutator that added "crotch shots" and it was always at the top of THE list. Let's just cut out the middle man. Pull a Saints Row 3 and just have a button for hitting people in the crotch.
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Jun 17, 2015 08:26
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Being able to target and groin also need to come back and are essential to the Fallout experience.
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Jun 17, 2015 08:28
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could the vault experiment be that you're a clone of the guy? either way i don't like that the baby dies
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spoiler: the babby is alive
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Jun 17, 2015 08:33
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The spouse comes back as a ghoul. E: gently caress, that should be why you're 200 plus years old. You should be a ghoul in this game.
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Jun 17, 2015 08:35
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OwlFancier posted:I dunno, don't talk to people who ask you about your wife and kid I guess? OwlFancier posted:Or pick the "yeah it's sad they died but welp can't do anything about it" option which I imagine will be present, it's not as though bethesda only ever includes gently caress YOU and Counselor Troi dialogue options. OwlFancier posted:Mass effect gave you like, three options which affected maybe two or three throwaway lines in the entire game so I don't really think there's much difference there. OwlFancier posted:It seems relatively inconsequential whether or not you care about your dead wife and kid given everything else you end up doing in the average bethsoft game.
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megalodong posted:Mr Bibs is an exceptional gimmick account but you really shouldn't take him seriously. I thought the point of gimmicks was to make low-effort shitposts, not post paragraph after paragraph about how loving retarded you are  OwlFancier posted:Uhhhh why? I think the main problem people had in Fallout 3 is more that you can't progress in the game without being a good guy. You can enslave half the wastes, blow up Megaton and eat everyone you kill, but you're still going to help your dad tinker with a water purifier, because that's what good guys do. You can be kinda mean to your lovely, stupid dad if you want, but you'll never not help him fix the purifier, and there's absolutely no alternate approach to this situation either. And "just don't do the main quest" rings pretty hollow considering one of the DLC doesn't start until after you finish it. New Vegas doesn't do this; there is always an alternate path. If you do the NCR path, you won't even necessarily ever meet Caesar or confront Benny, which is strange considering most people consider that the 'best' ending (its actually House, but I digress). Of course, New Vegas is an outlier in that regard, being the most open-ended game in the series by a wide margin, but it's not like Bethesda couldn't do those things if they really wanted to (they don't).
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frajaq posted:spoiler: the babby is alive "Find...our...babby..." your spouse gasps before succumbing to death. And so, in something of a reverse telling of Fallout 3's plot, you strike out in search of your mysteriously vanished child. Eventually you find them; their face falls off for a moment, giving you a glimpse of the circuits and wires inside. Your child has been a robot the entire time.
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Jun 17, 2015 08:45
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The grown up baby will be the main bad guy. If you have good karma then he's evil and if you have bad karma then he's good. Either way his master plan is basically the same thing and he will try to guilt you for leaving him.
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Jun 17, 2015 08:48
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*falls on knees, crying* "I got cucked....by a robot?"
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Pwnstar posted:The grown up baby will be the main bad guy. If you have good karma then he's evil and if you have bad karma then he's good. Either way his master plan is basically the same thing and he will try to guilt you for leaving him. It'll actually pull a really crazy twist and the last act of the game will have you getting shot in the throat and coming out of it sounding like Liam Neeson and then you have to play through the Fallout 3 story from the dad's point of view until you have to kill yourself, again.
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Wolfsheim posted:I thought the point of gimmicks was to make low-effort shitposts, not post paragraph after paragraph about how loving retarded you are In the sense that the entire game revolves around the purifier and thus if you didn't fix it then the plot would not happen, yes. Not fixing the purifier is not doing the main quest, because it sits where it is and doesn't do anything, nobody's interested in it because it doesn't work. Unless you get the macguffin that doesn't change. You are entirely able to use it to murder everyone in the wasteland if you want to though.
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Jun 17, 2015 08:53
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Your super cis life partner spins instantly around and using their ninja like reflexes and gorilla strength, grabs you and your child and throws you both down a closed elevator shaft faster than an explosion. Or maybe there are some big twists introduced that change the context of the early game.
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Pwnstar posted:The grown up baby will be the main bad guy. If you have good karma then he's evil and if you have bad karma then he's good. Either way his master plan is basically the same thing and he will try to guilt you for leaving him. What if you change your karma mid-story?
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OwlFancier posted:You are entirely able to use it to murder everyone in the wasteland if you want to though. Yeah, but for no personal gain or benefit whatsoever, and you still basically play a good guy up until that exact moment. It would be like if at the end of Die Hard John McClane just decided to shoot all the survivors after beating the bad guys. It's dumb and basically nonsensical.
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Wait, was the "Dogmeat can't die" thing just announced without provocation? Weird. Anyway, that's fine I guess, I'm sure they'll at least allow you to make him wait somewhere, maybe sometimes I don't want to have a dog.
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Does anyone know if there is a thread for Fallout Shelter?
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sout posted:Anyway, that's fine I guess, I'm sure they'll at least allow you to make him wait somewhere, maybe sometimes I don't want to have a dog. Considering how badly companion stealth mechanics were implemented previously, this is a must.
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Ulysses' incessant junior high notebook ramblings turned what would've been an otherwise decently fun DLC into the worst DLC I've ever played in any game. Even on my explosive/melee guy playthroughs I just accepted not getting the unique launchers as a loss just so I could avoid replaying it. What I'm saying is, please stop triggering me, n'wahs Crankit posted:could the vault experiment be that you're a clone of the guy? Spoiler alert: your name is Gary Edit - wealth behind measure, outlander
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ExplodingSquid posted:Does anyone know if there is a thread for Fallout Shelter? There isn't one that I can find.
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Jun 17, 2015 10:35
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drat, ok. Anyone know how the Radio room works? I've got 2 people in it with high stats for that room but have only had 1 new person show up.
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sout posted:Wait, was the "Dogmeat can't die" thing just announced without provocation? Weird. I heard that it's because of pressure from animal rights groups that don't want to see any harm come to your good dog. In fact no animals will die in the game, making deathclaws a new kind of hard.
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Crankit posted:I heard that it's because of pressure from animal rights groups that don't want to see any harm come to your good dog.  OH HEY BUDDY WHAT'S GOING ON?
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sout posted:
I really hope that's just a Dead Space-y death animation and not a grab that they will invariably and constantly use.
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sout posted:
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I think the problem is hardly there being a backstory. It's whether once your quest begins, there is somebody essential tied to your backstory following you and judging you for being incongruous with your established character. In FO1 once you leave the Vault, there's nothing to hold you back from being a sociopath if you choose so. You are on your own and nobody's there to stop you. In FO2, too, you can do whatever you want and your tribal background won't have any bearing on anything. In FO3 your dad is such a non-character that he's barely there. I feel that people fear having a family in FO4 (if that's the case) will mean that being less than a paragon of virtue will lead to a constant nagging and characters getting in your face. If it's just "you had a wife 200 years ago, now she's dead", who the gently caress cares. That's not a totally bad thing (e.g. in Witcher everybody will be pissed at you if they think you act inappropriately for your established character), but it can be a real bother in a true exploration-oriented game made by a team with a history of ham-fisted moral systems.
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steinrokkan posted:I think the problem is hardly there being a backstory. It's whether once your quest begins, there is somebody essential tied to your backstory following you and judging you for being incongruous with your established character. Personally, I doubt I'll mind unless the PC dialogue is really cringe-worthy, but for people who play and replay and mod and tweak the game for years, that's a big shift. And at that point, the game (and the series?) becomes an open-world Mass Effect. Some will like the more deliberate storytelling, others will want their Lone Wanderer to be a foul-mouthed swindler with a wacky accent. I can't wait for the Saints Row-esque Male Voice #3 DLC packs.
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In all games no matter how evil you were, you had to find the water chip/GECK, you had to defeat the mutants/Enclave, unless you consider that lackluster "yes I join you" cutscene a valid ending.
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While you are correct about the water chip for Fallout 1, you actually don't have to exactly get the GECK in FO2. The game will let you play until your character dies of old age 35 years later.
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nonazis posted:Ok, so, I got caught up in the moment and spent an extra $70 on the pip-boy pre order thing. Should I un-pre-order it? I mean, the creators themselves called it a lovely gimmick (after I ordered it, of course). Also, is Fallout 3 for xbox one bundled with all Fallout 4 editions, or only certain ones? Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, I'm just a stupid person. They called it a lovely gimmick the moment they announced it. He just said as far as lovely gimmicks go, this one is definitely the coolest loving one.
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deathclaw stuff reminds me. i went through the video of that deathclaw popping out of the ground to come ruin the characters day because i was worried you wouldn't be able to see it as a red tick on your compass. sure enough, the character is staring straight at the spot where the deathclaw pops out and there's no tick, then as the crawling out of the ground animation begins, the tick instantly appears. so be prepared to see the ground next to you randomly start splitting open and lose your poo poo as it turns out to be a mole rat.
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The only thing stopping me from buying a piece of plastic for $70 is that I live in Norway and the preorders aren't updated and that I already bought the game with a voucher on GMG.
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Wait, Confirmed Bachelor was that perk whose icon was a Vault Boy dude with a knife and a sleeping Vault Boy dude. That was in the very post claiming it "wasn't in the game". It looks like it's in the game to me.
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