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fermun
Nov 4, 2009

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

loving L O L if only 15% of their planned spam was enough to poo poo things up.

bitcoin can at most clear through 136,800kb of transaction data per day. the average day has about 61,000kb of transactions. about 1/3 to 1/2 of the miners cap at 730kb blocks instead though and some miners will occasionally push through empty blocks so a normal day sees something closer to 110,000kb able to be cleared.

they wanted to send out 200,000kb of transaction data, plus were hoping for at least the normal day of 60,000kb if not more. that would have left 150,000kb in the mempool after the day of the stress test, which would have taken 2 days to clear through, ignoring any additional transactions made on those days. it would have left a whole lot of people unable to use their bitcoins for multiple days, and so much worse if other people had joined in to also send stress test transactions.


hopefully they get whatever bug that crashed their server fixed and they can really shut it all down next time.

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unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Robawesome posted:

Approximately 15% of our planned transaction volume occurred.

Another test will occur within 7 days.

:gizz:

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

CARL MARK FORCE IV pled guilty as well today

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

avatar
specialist


Happy Noodle Boy posted:

[–]aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 28 points 5 hours ago*
8 GB per block (13.33 MB/s)

you just know this dude started out by saying to himself "yeah i could totes run that right now" then realised that his home connexion was in bits not bytes then it all went to poo poo after

also i'm p sure that since it's peered traffic you ideally need to sustain that bandwidth * n

also he figures that somehow nodes are getting paid for all this poo poo

i guess that in 2030 the 3 remaining mining pools will have to bundle in full node functionality

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

demonicon posted:

Your typical bitcoin essay: I don't know how

shameful, isn't it

poik007
Aug 16, 2006
Thinks Mother 3 is the best game ever

FCKGW posted:

CARL MARK FORCE IV pled guilty as well today

MOVING BITS IS NOT A CRIME!
WTF!

Bonfire Lit
Jul 9, 2008

If you're one of the sinners who caused this please unfriend me now.

fermun posted:

about 1/3 to 1/2 of the miners cap at 730kb blocks instead though
i still don't understand why that is though, i mean if the protocol says you can put a meg into a block then why aren't people doing that? shouldn't they be getting more monopoly money from including as many transactions as they can? surely there's a reason why the default block size is 3/4 of what's possible

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

Heresiarch posted:

i think the more appropriate comparison would be to political parties that schism over minor issues (see: the radical left in america) but the religion one is funnier so let's stick with it

People's Front of Bitcoin vs Bitcoin People's Front

Dren
Jan 5, 2001

Pillbug

Bonfire Lit posted:

i still don't understand why that is though, i mean if the protocol says you can put a meg into a block then why aren't people doing that? shouldn't they be getting more monopoly money from including as many transactions as they can? surely there's a reason why the default block size is 3/4 of what's possible

bitcoin: surely there's a reason why

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
the bfl yospos special mining rig

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Bonfire Lit posted:

i still don't understand why that is though, i mean if the protocol says you can put a meg into a block then why aren't people doing that? shouldn't they be getting more monopoly money from including as many transactions as they can? surely there's a reason why the default block size is 3/4 of what's possible

Some miners include no transactions, because the smaller the block the faster it gets sent over the network, and if someone else solved a block at the same time as you, having a smaller block might mean yours gets to 50% of the network faster and hence wins and you get the mining reward. I think the mining reward is much larger than the potential fees right now, but that will change over the years. So I guess 730KB is a tradeoff between 0 and 1MB?

At least I think that's how it works.

jony ive aces
Jun 14, 2012

designer of the lomarf car


Buglord

Robawesome posted:

[–]SpunkShrapnel 6 points 5 hours ago

There was a very interesting chain of comments in yesterdays daily that I'd like to continue today, because in my opinion it is a very important subject.

There was the argument that this planned stress test tomorrow is pure blockchain spam, and that there is a difference if a transaction is a "legitimate" one or if it is "spam". That there is a difference between "real demand" and "spam". You can't really use the word "demand" in that context, on a TX-level, because there is no way for a machine, for the bitcoin algorithm, to measure "demand". On the protocol level, there is no such thing as "demand" in that context. There are only valid and invalid transactions, and every valid transaction is "demand". If I post the link to 2 TX on the blockchain, nobody could tell me which was sent to buy a coffee and which was sent to full up blocks.
"if it's not a legitimate transaction the bitcoin protocol has ways to shut the whole thing down" - andreas antonopoulos or someone, probably

btw has he done anything lately

jony ive aces
Jun 14, 2012

designer of the lomarf car


Buglord

Robawesome posted:

something crazy is happening with this stress test. electrum going bonkers (self.Bitcoin)

submitted 39 minutes ago by dbthegimp

My wallet is going back in time! Can't access electrum servers!
time is running backwards because

FCKGW posted:

I mine slow

MisterOblivious
Mar 17, 2010

by sebmojo

Bonfire Lit posted:

i still don't understand why that is though, i mean if the protocol says you can put a meg into a block then why aren't people doing that? shouldn't they be getting more monopoly money from including as many transactions as they can? surely there's a reason why the default block size is 3/4 of what's possible

if two pools find the answer at the same time the one that propagates through the network first wins the bitcoins or something retarded like that but the reward for including transactions is like $300 a hour while finding the block is around $30k/hr

Erenthal
Jan 1, 2008

A relaxing walk in the woods
Grimey Drawer

jony ive aces posted:

"if it's not a legitimate transaction the bitcoin protocol has ways to shut the whole thing down" - andreas antonopoulos or someone, probably

btw has he done anything lately

he's being suspiciously reasonable and hence un-bitcoin like

https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/612799391624232960

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Erenthal posted:

he's being suspiciously reasonable and hence un-bitcoin like

https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/612799391624232960

Speaking of Greece, Greek PM says rejects tax hike on electricity: bitcoin still has some hope in Greece, then.

Herman Merman
Jul 6, 2008

quote:

[–]Satoshi- 20 points 13 hours ago

F2Pool doesn't care about Bitcoin's long term success. All they care about is the mining operation bringing them money at this moment.


[–]i_wolf 3 points 12 hours ago*

They won't have any money if the price crashes at this moment. We know how fragile Bitcoin can be.

Edit: I clearly meant fragile BTC price, not Bitcoin itself.

phew, ostracism averted!

TVarmy
Sep 11, 2011

like food and water, my posting has no intrinsic value

re bitcoin in greese:

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Buttcoin purse posted:

I think the mining reward is much larger than the potential fees right now

the mining reward is 25 bitcoins which is vastly greater than any potential fee (unless someone fat fingers their transaction which has happened before)

that reward is going to halve in the not-too-distant future, though

jony ive aces
Jun 14, 2012

designer of the lomarf car


Buglord

TVarmy posted:

re bitcoin in greese:


i want to see a dusty chinese warehouse datacentre full of these

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

I wonder if I could kickstarter "disable Bitcoin for the month of :boom: August". there must be $90K of statist shill spite out there.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


what would they say when you fail to meet the goals like goddamn are we not even worth a banker kicking in a few thou

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

yeah, I don't see a way to lose

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

Subjunctive posted:

I wonder if I could kickstarter "disable Bitcoin for the month of :boom: August". there must be $90K of statist shill spite out there.

Do it, I'd kick in a few bucks. Stretch goals should just be additional days of bitcoin deadlock.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

RZA Encryption posted:

Do it, I'd kick in a few bucks. Stretch goals should just be additional days of bitcoin deadlock.

and a mobile app that sends alerts for milestones in backlog

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
This is a true story of something that happened just a few years ago at the Machine Intelligence Research Institute. There was a professor of economics there who was a deeply committed bureaucratic statist. His primary goal for one required class was to spend the entire semester attempting to prove that a deflationary currency in a non-Keynesian economy couldn't work. His students were always afraid to argue with him because of his impeccable logic. For twenty years, he had taught this class and no one had ever had the courage to go against him. Sure, some had argued in class at times, but no one had ever 'really gone against him' (you'll see what I mean later).

Nobody would go against him because he had a reputation. At the end of every semester, on the last day, he would say to his class of 300 students, "If there anyone here who still believes in Bitcoin, stand up!" In twenty years, no one had ever stood up. They knew what he was going to do next. He would say, "because anyone who does believe in Bitcoin is a fool. If Bitcoin existed, it could stop this piece of chalk from inflating beyond affordability and being replaced by a whiteboard marker. Such a simple task to prove that Bitcoin is workable, and yet it can't do it." And every year, he would drop the chalk onto the tile floor of the classroom and it would shatter into a hundred pieces. The students could do nothing but stop and stare. Most of the students were convinced that Bitcoin couldn't work. Certainly, a number of freedom-lovers had slipped through, but for 20 years, they had been too afraid to stand up.

Well, a few years ago, there was a freshman who happened to get enrolled in the class. He was a freedom-loving anarchocapitalist and regular Freedomain Radio listener, and had heard the stories about this professor. He had to take the class because it was one of the required classes for his major and he was afraid. But for 3 months that semester, he prayed to Stefan every morning that he would have the courage to stand up no matter what the professor said or what the class thought. Nothing they said or did could ever shatter his faith, he hoped.

Finally the day came. The professor said, "If there is anyone here who still believes in Bitcoin, stand up!" The professor and the class of 300 people looked at him, shocked, as he stood up at the back of the classroom. The professor shouted, "You FOOL!! If Bitcoin worked, it could keep this piece of chalk from breaking when it hit the ground!" He proceeded to drop the chalk, but as he did, it slipped out of his fingers, off his shirt cuff, onto the pleats of his pants, down his leg, and off his shoe. As it hit the ground, it simply rolled away, unbroken.

The professor's jaw dropped as he stared at the chalk. He looked up at the young man and then ran out of the lecture hall. The young man who had stood up proceeded to walk to the front of the room and share his faith in the white paper for the next half hour. 300 students stayed and listened as he told of Satoshi's love for them and of his power through Bitcoin.

divabot fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Jun 23, 2015

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

divabot posted:

faith in Satoshi

blugu64
Jul 17, 2006

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

RZA Encryption posted:

Do it, I'd kick in a few bucks. Stretch goals should just be additional days of bitcoin deadlock.

have you checked his scammer tag yet?

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

darn, you're right. Post fixed.

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

Heresiarch posted:

i think the more appropriate comparison would be to political parties that schism over minor issues (see: the radical left in america) but the religion one is funnier so let's stick with it

i fail to see significant difference in the two

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

blugu64 posted:

have you checked his scammer tag yet?

I couldn't find any negative feedback, which is the same thing as having excellent feedback.

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

Buttcoin purse posted:

Some miners include no transactions, because the smaller the block the faster it gets sent over the network, and if someone else solved a block at the same time as you, having a smaller block might mean yours gets to 50% of the network faster and hence wins and you get the mining reward. I think the mining reward is much larger than the potential fees right now, but that will change over the years. So I guess 730KB is a tradeoff between 0 and 1MB?

At least I think that's how it works.

of note: this basically makes bitcoin completely worthless (even in bitcoin terms) and there's no way this would make your average profits go up by more than like .1%

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Robawesome posted:

The max pending backlog was 15MB. Far short of the 200mb goal.
By late evening the test was considered complete.
Approximately 15% of our planned transaction volume occurred.
is it just me or doesn't this come out to ~7.5%

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

anthonypants posted:

is it just me or doesn't this come out to ~7.5%

backed by math

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



anthonypants posted:

is it just me or doesn't this come out to ~7.5%

UM that's what "approximately" means. it's not EXACT. 15 is APPROXIMATELY 7.5.

in bitcoinland

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Boxturret posted:

backed by meth

But really, enough about bitcoin.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
sometimes i mine slow sometimes i mine quick

Tipps
Apr 18, 2006


party in the front

business in the back

FCKGW posted:

CARL MARK FORCE IV pled guilty as well today

pls pay attention to this post pls

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
goodbye trial of the century :smith:

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Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

Boxturret posted:

goodbye trial of the century :smith:

ugh, I was hoping for at least one more "Karpeles did it!"

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