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Anime Schoolgirl posted:I can't wait to see how entertaining the 14nm fab fistfight moshpit is going to be for the next few years as we'll be stuck with it It'll be the new 28nm
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Malcolm XML posted:It'll be the new 28nm Two years of Same-Same, But Differeeeeen!
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Jun 24, 2015 13:29
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That Kaby Lake stuff led me to find out that AVX-512 stuff will only be enabled on the Xeon variants of Skylake? Why's that? No space on the die, ditching the IGP to gain transistors for AVX-512?
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Jun 24, 2015 14:47
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So Cannonlake moves to 'Tock' now?
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Khagan posted:So Cannonlake moves to 'Tock' now? Malcolm XML posted:It'll be the new 28nm Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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Jun 24, 2015 15:45
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Khagan posted:So Cannonlake moves to 'Tock' now? We're waltzing now. Process shrinks in bold. Ivy Bridge, Haswell, Devil's Canyon, Broadwell, Skylake, Kaby Lake, Cannonlake.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:It moves to 'loud explosion' In terms of number of chips shipped, samsung's 14nm seems to have ramped faster than intel's, although Intel is supposed to be smaller. Considering that Intel has delayed 10nm to "I dunno 2017 or something" and is heading into layoffs, meanwhile Samsung is fabbing most of the chips used in the sexiest and fastest growing market (high end smartphone soc), Intel is probably not going to be the leader in process tech going forward. Which seems crazy, intel's lead in process tech has lasted a long rear end time, but all things must end.
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Wasn't Intels lead eroded by corporate espionage? Samsung is kinda known for that.
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Riso posted:Wasn't Intels lead eroded by corporate espionage? Samsung is kinda known for that. You know, I kind of don't even give a poo poo if it was. All these companies do dubious-rear end things to get on top and for us, the consumers, competition is good, even if the corporations are being unethical toward each other to create that competition.
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Combat Pretzel posted:That Kaby Lake stuff led me to find out that AVX-512 stuff will only be enabled on the Xeon variants of Skylake? Why's that? No space on the die, ditching the IGP to gain transistors for AVX-512? Any chance they skip Kaby Lake for the Xeons and release Cannonlake parts all somewhat close to each other instead of a year behind?
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Jun 25, 2015 10:59
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As there been any release date set for skylake yet? I was planning on building a new PC when it comes out, hope it doesn't get delayed.
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Jun 26, 2015 20:03
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September-October estimated.
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Rakeris posted:As there been any release date set for skylake yet? I was planning on building a new PC when it comes out, hope it doesn't get delayed. What exactly are you planning that requires Skylake specifically except for raging nerd-boners.
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Jun 26, 2015 21:02
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Boiled Water posted:What exactly are you planning that requires Skylake specifically except for raging nerd-boners. Maybe he wants the four extra PCIe 3.0 lanes it has for a sweet, sweet NVMe SSD without negligibly slowing down his graphics card? ok maybe that's just what I want edit: also he wants to pay extra to buy new RAM Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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Jun 26, 2015 21:26
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Skylake ought to be a big boon to Mobile users, we all know laptop graphics are always far behind.
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Jun 26, 2015 21:46
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Maybe he wants the four extra PCIe 3.0 lanes it has for a sweet, sweet NVMe SSD without negligibly slowing down his graphics card? ok maybe that's just what I want That's what I'm looking forward to really, haven't done a ground up system rebuild in a while and I want to get something like an Intel 750 SSD when I do.
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Boiled Water posted:What exactly are you planning that requires Skylake specifically except for raging nerd-boners. I'm really hoping for some nice chipset features on Z170. I'm still not sure if I should refresh my Phenom 2 & DDR2 machine now, or keep waiting for Skylake like I was planning. All that I seem to lose by waiting is $30 that I'll have to spend for DDR4 vs DDR3.
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Twerk from Home posted:I'm really hoping for some nice chipset features on Z170.
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Twerk from Home posted:I'm really hoping for some nice chipset features on Z170. I'm still not sure if I should refresh my Phenom 2 & DDR2 machine now, or keep waiting for Skylake like I was planning. All that I seem to lose by waiting is $30 that I'll have to spend for DDR4 vs DDR3. Would you please, for the audience, list these nice features you'll be gaining by waiting?
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Boiled Water posted:Would you please, for the audience, list these nice features you'll be gaining by waiting? More PCI-E lanes, NVMe support on an M.2 connector (Z97 may already do this, I'm not sure), and 5-10% better IPC. Overall Skylake should be slightly better in lots of small ways, right? Is there really zero reason to get an i5-6600 vs a i5-4590? It would be one thing if old intel CPUs went on clearance when the new stuff was introduced, but the new generation always costs the same as the old so you may as well take it. Edit: You're making me second guess myself here, I guess I could just do an H97 and i5-4590 in an RVZ01B, but it feels so lame to buy Haswell 2 whole years after its introduction. Twerk from Home fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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The announcements will be early to mid August (gamescom and/or Intel dev forum), shouldn't be available too long after that. Launch lineup are are i7-6700 and i5-6600 both unlocked (K) or regular, i5-6500 and 6400, plus a bunch of low power T model stuff.
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Jun 26, 2015 22:35
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Twerk from Home posted:but it feels so lame to buy Haswell 2 whole years after its introduction. You'd think they'd try to do more to differentiate the chipsets at least if they can't or won't improve the CPU much anymore. Pack more features in or support improvements like USB3.1 or something to add some value and give the end user a reason or at least enticement to upgrade.
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I'm waiting for Skylake because I want to move to a smaller case and form factor, I already have an i7 2600k but I can't find an mATX motherboard for it or I'd just stick with it. It just seems like such a waste to "upgrade" to Haswell when Skylake will be out in just a few months. Also I thought Intel's roadmap showed the k-series processors as part of the initial Skylake release?
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If you don't mind BioStar they still sell a Z77 mATX mobo for $80. As far as I know this is still fairly accurate for Skylake K availability. 
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:If you don't mind BioStar they still sell a Z77 mATX mobo for $80. I've been told to never buy Biostar, they are to motherboards as the $20 1000W PSU is to PSUs.  Yeah, that chart shows the k-series CPUs coming out in August - September 2015 just like I thought. I figure I might as well wait a few months and see how things look with Skylake before spending a bunch of money on a whole new system.
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Yea I don't much like BioStar either but I know lots of people like them and thought maybe you hadn't seen it yet.
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BioStar isn't top tier but they are still beat out in shittiness by ECS/PC Chips and Foxconn
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Boiled Water posted:What exactly are you planning that requires Skylake specifically except for raging nerd-boners. Honestly it was more of a "just cause" kinda thing, it seems to come with some nice features but there wasn't any of them I really wanted or needed, maybe in the future I suppose. I just have not done a total new build in a while and wanted to do one with it.
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Rakeris posted:Honestly it was more of a "just cause" kinda thing, it seems to come with some nice features but there wasn't any of them I really wanted or needed, maybe in the future I suppose. I just have not done a total new build in a while and wanted to do one with it. This exactly. I am still using a Core 2 Quad chip on a P35 motherboard. I have waited this long to upgrade. Waiting another 2 months isn't going to kill me. Especially if it will give me an extra 10% IPC, more PCI-E 3.0 lanes, a probably upgrade path to Kaby Lake, DDR4 memory, and USB 3.1 via an add-on chip.
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Actually, I am in a very similar position and just posted a question in the recommendation thread which I guess I probably should have better posted here http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3671266&pagenumber=286#post447089221 quote:I don't want to re-hash the whole "future proof" question, but I would appreciate some opinions. I am getting the impression from the responses above that it's just as good of a time to jump in now?
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slidebite posted:I am getting the impression from the responses above that it's just as good of a time to jump in now? There really isn't any compelling reason to specifically wait for Skylake. If you need a new computer now then get one now. The only things, feature wise, that Skylake brings to the table are 4 more PCIe3 lanes and DDR4. The extra lanes are really only beneficial if you plan on running 2 graphics cards in SLI and still need to run a NVMe SSD. The faster SSDs are certainly nice but the difference in performance isn't nearly as noticeable as the diff between a spinny HD and SSD. When Skylake releases DDR4 won't be noticeably faster than DDR3 (5%?) so there's also no real benefit there either.
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I almost certainly wouldn't be SLIing and I suppose it comes down to single, or maybe multithread performance. If a Devils Canyon is just as good as Skylake while also being a bit cheaper and I can get it now, all the better.
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wipeout posted:Will the skylake successor use the same socket? The same as what
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Krailor posted:
I am not interested in DDR4 as a performance increase. I am interested in building a PC that I will be able to max out with fat loads of RAM for cheap after the prices drops(assuming that DDR4's prices drop the same way that DDR3 did and DDR2 did before it). wipeout posted:Will the skylake successor use the same socket? sauer kraut posted:The same as what Supposedly, Kaby Lake will use the same socket at Skylake. Lowen SoDium fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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I think we're still a couple of years away from 'fat loads' of cheap DDR4 and I dunno how far away from 'fat loads' of cheap and really fast DDR4. I'm assuming you mean 64GB+ when you say fat loads though so I could be horribly wrong.
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64GB, 128GB. What ever the max these boards end up supporting. But yeah, I am talking a year or more from now. Not at launch.
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If I'm not doing, I don't know, video encoding or protein folding, am I likely to see any benefit from 128GB of RAM over, say, 8GB?
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Toast Museum posted:If I'm not doing, I don't know, video encoding or protein folding, am I likely to see any benefit from 128GB of RAM over, say, 8GB? In the future, probably. Not like next week.
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