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My big board if anyone cares (I was gonna do a detailed one but then work and stuff): 1. Towns 2. Russell 3. Okafor 4. Hezonja 5. Muiday 6. Porzingas 7. Johnson 8. Turner 9. Winslow 10. Portis 11. WCS 12. Hunter 13. Booker 14. Grant 15. Kaminsky 16. Oubre 17. Jones 18. Dekker 19. Looney 20. Payne 21. Lyles 22. Harrell 23. Vaughn 24. Wood 25. Hollis-Jefferson 26. Mickey 27. Frazier 28. Wright 29. McCollugh 30. Brown
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Dejan Bimble posted:It's not very complicated. The TV show is structured around the build up of tension before a pick, and the release of that tension as the pick is finally read. When you know the picks beforehand, there's no tension, and the words the talking heads say lose meaning. Yeah but it's really easy to not refresh nor read the thread..
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Jun 25, 2015 22:21
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Dejan Bimble posted:It's not very complicated. The TV show is structured around the build up of tension before a pick, and the release of that tension as the pick is finally read. When you know the picks beforehand, there's no tension, and the words the talking heads say lose meaning. I understand it, I guess just as a pro wrestling fan I'm used to knowing the outcome of my drama before it happens.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:22
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MourningView posted:My big board if anyone cares (I was gonna do a detailed one but then work and stuff): I am not sure how to feel about this. Am I wrong for thinking that Okafor would be the better pick if the Lakers don't trade? My knowledge extends about as far as youtube highlights and some articles so I am on the fence about taking Russell. Dejan Bimble posted:I don't care about spoilering the thread, I'm just explaining why someone would prefer not to read spoilers. I have to be at the airport, so it's of no material concern to me. Fair enough!
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Jun 25, 2015 22:23
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsWY6BOIO9I Personally I don't care much for the actual draft but all the stupid rumors swirling around it are like catnip for me and I enjoy flipping out about all the dumb stuff the teams are or are not doing
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Jun 25, 2015 22:23
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old dog child posted:Yeah but it's really easy to not refresh nor read the thread.. I don't care about spoilering the thread, I'm just explaining why someone would prefer not to read spoilers. I have to be at the airport, so it's of no material concern to me.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:23
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I dunno, I just don't think the drama is lessened that much. You still don't know who is getting picked until you hear it from whatever source you're hearing it from, and the difference isn't that big. Like is the ESPN TV product really that good? Does listening to Dick Vitale scream about how there aren't enough seniors for the 20th year in a row or Jay Bilas talk about how long guys are make a big difference? I feel like almost everyone always complains that there is way too much time between picks anyway. I think the thread is better when there's more time to talk about and react to the actual picks/trades, rather than absurdly drawn out TV show that accompanies it.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:25
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Which draft child has is the most likely to have a breakdown like Royce White or Larry Sanders?
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Jun 25, 2015 22:25
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old dog child posted:I am not sure how to feel about this. Am I wrong for thinking that Okafor would be the better pick if the Lakers don't trade? I don't think they can really go wrong either way. Okafor is really good, they're not that far apart. I saw Russell a lot more so that might be some of it. They're both going to be great offensive players (and I think Okafor has the lower floor of the two), I just think Russell is easier to hide defensively and easier to build a team around.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:27
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MourningView posted:14. Grant Why grant over payne?
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Jun 25, 2015 22:27
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MourningView posted:My big board if anyone cares (I was gonna do a detailed one but then work and stuff): I like this. I'd probably do Okafor at 2 but that's Big Man Bias. Love Winslow at 9.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:28
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chunkles posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsWY6BOIO9I The youtube comments are funnier than the stand up.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:28
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Metapod posted:Why grant over payne? I think he's a better basketball player. Payne just kinda took off out of nowhere, Grant was higher the whole season. I think Grant is a better passer and athlete.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:29
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The predictive stats really make me drool over Russell. I've unfortunately only saw what was arguably his worst game so that puts a little doubt in my mind but I know that's not logical, and also that saw him get double and triple teamed all night
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Jun 25, 2015 22:29
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I'm a stubborn rear end in a top hat and think Okafor should still go 1st overall.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:30
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Really hoping my team drafts a basketball player tonight but you never know
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Jun 25, 2015 22:30
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Mayhaps Kristaps?
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Jun 25, 2015 22:31
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rabidsquid posted:Really hoping my team drafts a basketball player tonight but you never know I'm hoping we get a jai alai player with the 34th
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Jun 25, 2015 22:34
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I read the ESPN insider thing on Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, because Chad Ford has him going to the Raptors at 20, and it makes it sound him sound pretty horrible. Like, "elite defence but needs to complete change his shooting to stick in the NBA at all" doesn't sound auspicious.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:36
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The Glumslinger posted:I'm hoping we get a jai alai player with the 34th That one guy who faked his vertical somehow is a baseball player I think
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Jun 25, 2015 22:37
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Hand Knit posted:I read the ESPN insider thing on Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, because Chad Ford has him going to the Raptors at 20, and it makes it sound him sound pretty horrible. Like, "elite defence but needs to complete change his shooting to stick in the NBA at all" doesn't sound auspicious.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:37
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Hand Knit posted:I read the ESPN insider thing on Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, because Chad Ford has him going to the Raptors at 20, and it makes it sound him sound pretty horrible. Like, "elite defence but needs to complete change his shooting to stick in the NBA at all" doesn't sound auspicious. He had one of the ugliest and least effective shots that I've ever seen. It was slowly corrected over his college career but it's not pro ready yet. He was legitimately one of the best defenders in college ball last year, but, defense seems to rarely transfer to the pros (he was a major part of the Russell lock down I mentioned). With all that said I'm hoping the Lakers take him cuz I love the dude, so much energy, so atheletic, and his cuts to the basket are pretty (he can successfully put the ball into the rim when he's right under it).
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Jun 25, 2015 22:39
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straight up brolic posted:an elite NBA skill makes you an NBA player which is what you hope for at the end of the first round. He has Tony Allen-esque disruption potential The page said that despite elite defence he could fail to stick in the NBA, which is what gets me.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:39
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Hand Knit posted:The page said that despite elite defence he could fail to stick in the NBA, which is what gets me. If he gets drafted by a team that needs everyone who plays to contribute to the offense, he might not make it. Stick him on the Griz, Pacers or next to Lebron, maybe he doesn't need to score and maybe he sticks.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:42
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I don't get why Willie Cauley-Stein's immunity to malaria is supposed to be bad.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:42
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Henchman of Santa posted:I don't get why Willie Cauley-Stein's immunity to malaria is supposed to be bad. NBA worries about seeming too pompous in their expansion to South America.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:44
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Hand Knit posted:The page said that despite elite defence he could fail to stick in the NBA, which is what gets me. If he is ann elite defender his shot doesn't matter. Examples: mkg, tony allen, and andre roberson
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Jun 25, 2015 22:45
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Jun 25, 2015 22:50
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I really hope that whoever the Sixers take pans out but it based on general comments I've seen a few people aren't totally sold on Russell, but maybe they're just clueless as the majority of fans want him. I can't tell whether his stock has really risen or fallen in the last few weeks compared to Porzingus getting a lot of praise based on his ceiling. Let's say Russell goes second though -- do the Sixers take Okafor and try for three bigs, assuming Embiid ever plays? Do they trade down a spot or two? Do you trade Noel (I wouldn't, just saying) and a couple of the 2nd rounders to maybe get one of the non-Russell PGs? The Sixers desperately need one as evidenced by how much better Noel became after having someone who wasn't MCW on the court (but then in such a scenario he'd be gone so yeah). I guess I just hate the idea of taking Okafor and working out that problem later. I guess Okafor ends up being an insurance policy for Embiid at the worst. Sorry for the lovely stream of consciousness thoughts.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:53
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The thing with Hollis-Jefferson is that if he's just "good" defensively rather than otherworldly then he becomes basically unplayable because his offense is so bad. It's really hard to get minutes as a wing who can't shoot these days. Mentioning a handful of exceptions (all of whom I think can occasionally border on being a net negative) doesn't change that.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:53
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pylb posted:I thought RHJ was also good at getting to the line? He's not going to put the ball on the floor like a wing and generate a free throw out of thin air, but he positions himself on rebounds and makes good cuts so people foul in those situations (partly because at least initially he wasn't a good free throw shooter, although he did end up around the 70% mark by the end)
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triple sulk posted:I really hope that whoever the Sixers take pans out but it based on general comments I've seen a few people aren't totally sold on Russell, but maybe they're just clueless as the majority of fans want him. I can't tell whether his stock has really risen or fallen in the last few weeks compared to Porzingus getting a lot of praise based on his ceiling. For what it's worth, Chad Ford said he thought the 76ers really want Mudiay and everything else is an attempt to get picks from teams who want Russell. MourningView posted:The thing with Hollis-Jefferson is that if he's just "good" defensively rather than otherworldly then he becomes basically unplayable because his offense is so bad. It's really hard to get minutes as a wing who can't shoot these days. Mentioning a handful of exceptions (all of whom I think can occasionally border on being a net negative) doesn't change that. MKG is an elite finisher and his jumper isn't broken anymore, that's why he was chosen second rather than 22nd. The bulk of the defensive specialist guys who can't do anything on offense are in Greece or in the d-league. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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Jun 25, 2015 22:55
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Sam Smith is saying the Knicks and Nuggets are talking about a #4 for #7 + Nurkic trade.
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Jun 25, 2015 22:59
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Dejan Bimble posted:For what it's worth, Chad Ford said he thought the 76ers really want Mudiay and everything else is an attempt to get picks from teams who want Russell. Huh, I hadn't seen that. I had heard that they really liked Russell and the Porzingas thing was a smokescreen to get trade offers from people who liked him. Mudiay does seem like the kind of guy they tend to target, but man at some point you need someone who can shoot the ball.
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Jun 25, 2015 23:00
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pylb posted:Sam Smith is saying the Knicks and Nuggets are talking about a #4 for #7 + Nurkic trade. I could almost support that for the Knicks, seeing as how they need multiple competent players.
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Jun 25, 2015 23:01
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chunkles posted:I could almost support that for the Knicks, seeing as how they need multiple competent players. They can still get a really good dude at 7. I'd do that in a heartbeat.
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Jun 25, 2015 23:01
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MourningView posted:Huh, I hadn't seen that. I had heard that they really liked Russell and the Porzingas thing was a smokescreen to get trade offers from people who liked him. Mudiay does seem like the kind of guy they tend to target, but man at some point you need someone who can shoot the ball.
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Jun 25, 2015 23:02
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Henchman of Santa posted:I don't get why Willie Cauley-Stein's immunity to malaria is supposed to be bad. http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/sicklecell/traits.html
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Jun 25, 2015 23:03
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Hand Knit posted:I read the ESPN insider thing on Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, because Chad Ford has him going to the Raptors at 20, and it makes it sound him sound pretty horrible. Like, "elite defence but needs to complete change his shooting to stick in the NBA at all" doesn't sound auspicious. http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html Here's a draft. You can change around the years. Sort by winshares and look at how quickly talent falls off. Drafting at 20 means you're likely getting a player that will contribute only minorly.
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chunkles posted:I could almost support that for the Knicks, seeing as how they need multiple competent players. Well it's Sam Smith so I don't know if there's really anything to it. But I don't think it would be a bad deal if the Knicks don't particularly love any of the guys available at #4. Nurkic looked pretty good last year. a lot better than McDermott
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