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Personally I'd only consider direct increases/decreases in a character's stats to be a "buff/debuff" (damage +1, speed -2, etc). I'd prefer status too.
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Moriatti posted:I like statuses because it's SNES RPG lingo. Status, for this reason.
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Jimbozig posted:Okay, Capitalization it is! buffs/debuffs imo
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I prefer conditions.
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I like statuses.
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What's the best way to use the tactical combat rules to help emulate sports? Or should I do something different for sports?
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Hey, so I'm looking for another short-notice sub for a roll20 game tomorrow (well, probably today by the time you read this. Friday at 8 Eastern to be specific.) Just had a player drop out because of this thing called "real life" or something?? I didn't know goons had those. Anyway, I'm hoping there's someone here who is interested in jumping in. This is a new group, so we're just starting up with new characters and such.Moriatti posted:What's the best way to use the tactical combat rules to help emulate sports? From my experience with sports, every sport is different. I could make a very cool ball hockey game because that's my main sport - I play twice per week and I know it very well. I couldn't do justice to soccer or anything else. As for using the tactical combat rules... for most ball sports it's important NOT to focus fire. When you're on defense if everyone goes after the ball, the enemy will just pass it and you'll lose. You could try to make something happen where attacking the ball carrier successfully forces them to pass and the goal would be to try use your positioning to block the passing lanes. You'd have to play around with it to see how easy it is to physically put yourself blocking a pass and then use that to figure out what you need to roll to intercept it and what you need to roll to deflect it so that the right balance of passing and turnovers happens. There is a trade-off for forwards between getting open and getting penetration, which comes from the defenses positioning - that's a kind of choice you'll need to consider. Really, that seems like a totally different game, not a simple combat hack. But maybe other sports would be more amenable to such hacking.
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Could try that, I need some player experience before my own game monday.
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It's a game where they are from Nintendo, they are likely to investigate either K. Rool or Bowser in regards to a MacGuffin disappearing and the easiest way would probably be for them to win the Baseball/Kart Racing tournament said villain is having. I mostly wanted to see if I could preserve some of the powers involved here, I figure I need to change the basic mechanics significantly.
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EDIT: Oh other folks posted when I was writing this up and I just noticed this: Jimbozig posted:Hey, so I'm looking for another short-notice sub for a roll20 game tomorrow (well, probably today by the time you read this. Friday at 8 Eastern to be specific.) Just had a player drop out because of this thing called "real life" or something?? I didn't know goons had those. Anyway, I'm hoping there's someone here who is interested in jumping in. This is a new group, so we're just starting up with new characters and such. Yeah. I'd be interested! That's the exact sort of thing I was looking for. Also, is the pdf linked in the KS up-to-date? Jimbozig posted:Okay, Capitalization it is! I always assume Statuses (or Status Effects) to mean things like Poison, Mute, Paralyzed, etc. Stuff that isn't just a "Your numbers are reduced" sort of things. Where Buff/debuff are the opposite. I don't like the word "handicaps" at all though. D_W fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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Make up Bowserball or something that seems oddly close to the existing tactical rules? Maybe throw in a thing like if you have the ball you can make a basic ranged attack to pass the
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It sounds to me like the right answer is to just run the Team Conflict rules? Also the sport should totally be kart racing.
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I just made something up. Base it loosely on American football. Both teams have a fairly large number of virtual minions who can only move and passively interrupt the movement of enemy players. Minions don't get actions of their own, but each team shares a communal number of actions per turn which they can distribute among their minions, and they can sacrifice some of their own actions to give minions even more, so that a team with fewer minions remaining will be more mobile overall. Players have access to their full complement of combat powers and can use them against each other or the minions. A player or minion reduced to 0 HP is out for the rest of the round, but returns for the next round. At the start of the game, one minion on one team is holding the Rock. When this minion is slain, the Rock falls onto the field at that location, and it can be claimed by any player or minion who passes through that space. If it is picked up by a player character, they have until the end of their next turn to get rid of the Rock, or it will explode, removing them from the rest of the game and forfeiting the round (which might be tactically advantageous if their team is at a huge disadvantage). They can pass the Rock to a minion with a ranged basic attack. When all the minions on one team have been slain, the round is over. The position of the Rock along the field determines the score. The side of the starting line that the Rock is on determines which team gets points, and the distance from the starting line determines how many. Minions forced out of bounds will die immediately; players forced out of bounds will be penalized in some way. A game lasts either for a predetermined number of rounds, or until one team accumulates a certain score, or whatever would be more dramatic.
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Moriatti posted:It's a game where they are from Nintendo, they are likely to investigate either K. Rool or Bowser in regards to a MacGuffin disappearing and the easiest way would probably be for them to win the Baseball/Kart Racing tournament said villain is having. I mostly wanted to see if I could preserve some of the powers involved here, I figure I need to change the basic mechanics significantly. Mario Kart could be pretty simple. Map out a track, give everyone the same base speed and run it like a normal encounter, only with the added goal of being first to complete 3 laps or whatever. Allow the players to use their combat abilities as usual and getting hit means not being able to move your full speed next turn. If you want to implement boost pads, hazards and item boxes that would be pretty easy too with special terrain and one-time-use powers. You could even tie the item you get to your place in the race to get the rubberbanding effect the real game has (first place gets a banana peel, last place gets the blue shell!). Baseball is a bit tougher but you could take a page out of the NES game Base Wars and have the runner fight the baseman before they can steal a base.
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Ok, so one of the players is Captain Falcon now. So I'm going to make racing a thing. Do you think I should do the same base speed encounter, or do an altered chase with kart items? I was thinking chase where if the runners are caught, they switch places with the chaser, and if the runners get away, they get 1/3 laps. Each side will get at least 1 item each lap, and they'll do stuff like: Mushroom - decrease/increase distance by 1. Possibly, I'll run a combat at the same time for some of the non-Falcon guys who have to stop Bowser's minions from fixing the race by giving Bowser items and increasing the danger level for our heroes.
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D_W posted:I don't like the word "handicaps" at all though. Also, I just sent you and plutonis PMs about the game tonight. Gourdcaptain managed to rope in a friend so we've got three already, but we're happy to end up with 4 or even 5.
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A few thoughts about overwatch (aka "I prepare an action to fire on the first enemy I see") now that I've slept on it. There are a few ways in which an X-Com combat differs from a Strike! combat:
So what I'm saying is, I would like an overwatch-like dynamic in a game that uses the Exposed rules, but it's not going to happen just by porting the X-Com overwatch action as-is. There was some grumbling about the Exposed rules themselves not being very fun too. I don't know if it's a trend (I was okay with them myself), but if it is, then maybe the whole thing needs a review. Off the top of my head: maybe when you become exposed, you grant those with sight on you a ranged opportunity? Then the combat becomes about forcing enemies out of cover using special abilities, even if they go right back into cover somewhere else. Might be worth taking a cue from X-Com's destructible environment too, where any shot might destroy any piece of cover on its path and force a change of plan (and explosives are terrifying).
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Game yesterday was a good simulation of my average X-Com simulation since I got shot a lot and whiffed 90% of my rolls.
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Just done GMing my first session! Ironically the dice were a shitload more lenient with me this time since I pretty much critted and hit the PCs a lot haha. They still punked the elite mob I was confident would make a lot of trouble but it was a fun combat. Unfortunately I didn't understood well the noncombat conflict resolution and ended up not using it much and had to rely on Player Countblanc a lot since I made a few mistakes. E: Roll20 is a piece of poo poo for crashing on me when we were finishing the session. Plutonis fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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As a player in Plutonis's game, hats off to Jimbozig for making an excellent game.
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In the illustrated combat example, Terrifying Visage says that the target has to run away before taking any other actions, but at the end, the DM contemplates attacking and then running, or shifting and then running, and suggests that those options would avoid the 3 damage.
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Pumpkin Pirate posted:In the illustrated combat example, Terrifying Visage says that the target has to run away before taking any other actions, but at the end, the DM contemplates attacking and then running, or shifting and then running, and suggests that those options would avoid the 3 damage. Oh, maybe I accidentally grabbed a screenshot of the level 5 version of the power. Oops. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Effectronica posted:As a player in Plutonis's game, hats off to Jimbozig for making an excellent game. Seconding this. The two concerns I had from the first session: double damage on crits seems too powerful for how common they are. They directly led to two players and the elite mod getting trashed before they could do much. I'll wait to see if that's just a fluke or not. The other problem is that the Action Trigger powers (at least the Level 1 ones) don't feel like a worthwhile use of Action Points compared to Rally. As a Defender Shapeshifter with the Resilient feat, 5 HP and the additional versatility of a Shapeshift recovery will almost always be preferable to negating a single attack except on a particularly nasty crit. I feel the same about the others was well, though that's informed strictly by theorycrafting.
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Another weird thing I noticed is that regarding Miss Triggers, Blasters can avoid getting multiple of those, cool, but when a Blaster rolled to hit four enemies, hit the first roll, then missed the other two, he still doesn't proc the way it's worded on the book.
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I don't know how many other sessions you've played, but speaking as someone who has played a lot of Defender in Strike, negating hits is huge when nasty status effects from Elites and Champions start flying around and like you said completely evading a crit is also a big deal. If you have Resilient then yeah Rally is gonna be a strong option for you too, because you took the feat that makes Rally a better option. Rally is also once per encounter (again, unless you took Resilient) so it's completely possible that you end up using both in a given fight. As for the other triggers - I'm certainly most experienced with the Defender one - it depends on the circumstances heavily. If you're a ranged Leader and avoiding taking a lot of damage, rallying isn't a huge priority for you and giving your teammate a chance to reroll a 1 to both avoid a Strike and probably score a hit of some type is huge. The Striker one breaks the action economy and gives you an off-turn attack which would make any 4e class weep with joy. The Blaster and Controller ones... are a bit more difficult, especially with the Elite/Champion resistance to status effects, but again if you aren't taking a lot of damage they can be useful. And then there's classes that interact with Rally in ways that makes it more/less appealing in any given circumstance, like Magician getting access to their Reserve spell. Regarding the crit damage being so high, some of that was because the crits in question came from our Striker, whose entire purpose is to tear down Elite mobs quickly. I think some of the burstiness of that fight in general though came from the design; We started at the front of a cave which was only ~8x8 and all of us were situated in a tight bundle against mobs that could AoE. When the enemies can all hit 3 targets with each attack and there isn't really room to move around, especially without eating an Opportunity or three, there's going to be more attacks rolled and thus more crits on the squishier party members. A lot of that is just unfamiliarity with the system but yeah that's a bad situation to be in that we couldn't really avoid, even at the end of the fight no one had moved except Effectronica's character who had shifted one square. e: I think something worth keeping in mind is that being Taken Out in Strike isn't exactly the same thing it is in 4e. Combat is much faster (once people learn the system) and if all your squishiest party members aren't starting in range of every enemy it's pretty hard for a single crit to spell doom. If you're taken out on turn three there's a good chance the fight won't last more than another 3 minutes anyway if people are paying attention. Additionally as a general tip I'd probably have more than one Elite against a party of 6; While they technically only occupy two monsters worth of budget, giving 6 PCs a chance to roll against the same big bad is gonna lead to him being taken out really fast. Countblanc fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jul 2, 2015 |
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fool_of_sound posted:The other problem is that the Action Trigger powers (at least the Level 1 ones) don't feel like a worthwhile use of Action Points compared to Rally. As a Defender Shapeshifter with the Resilient feat, 5 HP and the additional versatility of a Shapeshift recovery will almost always be preferable to negating a single attack except on a particularly nasty crit. I feel the same about the others was well, though that's informed strictly by theorycrafting. Action Triggers tend to get used in practice. Count's right - you can only use Rally once, so it's not exactly an either/or thing. If you pass up negating a big hit to instead use your rally, you might regret it. But the Controller's doesn't get used so much, so I'll look at what I can do about that.
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If I use Furz's Undeniable Command (Magician 1) to command a target to use a Ranged attack, does it provoke Opportunities from my adjacent allies? e: Also, if I roll a 6 as a Chaos Mage (which allows me to forgo the extra damage to deal an additional effect) Blaster, can I use my Multitarget Boost to deal both of those effects to an additional target? Countblanc fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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I'm really loving the pacing in this game for battles. A decent amount happens but it goes by really quickly. We're able to pull off fluff and two battles in a single session. In other systems I've played a single battle can stretch into multiple sessions, so this is really refreshing.
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everythingWasBees posted:I'm really loving the pacing in this game for battles. A decent amount happens but it goes by really quickly. We're able to pull off fluff and two battles in a single session. In other systems I've played a single battle can stretch into multiple sessions, so this is really refreshing. 
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The best part is that unlike most streamlined quick combat games, you can still have a fast-paced combat but a good range of maneuvers and effects on the field. That's the kind of balance that keeps the game interesting and not either a dragging slog or a boring "i do a basic attack every turn" experience. Also I have a lot of fun designing encounters and maps.
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Countblanc posted:If I use Furz's Undeniable Command (Magician 1) to command a target to use a Ranged attack, does it provoke Opportunities from my adjacent allies? Without opening up the rulebook to check the exact wording, I'd say yes to the first and no to the second. That might be too strong for Furz, so I'm making a note to take a look at it tomorrow. Also the three posts above this make me very happy. That's what I wanted to achieve, so it's great to hear that it's working. Thanks!
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e: n/m I'm stupid
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So playing my Nintendo Adventure setting and I'm having trouble with a player abusing the controller's slide effect procing on prismatic spray in order to slide enemies into hazards. It's cool every now and then, but it's all he does. What would be the recommended way to force him to try new tactics? I don't want to have a video game themed setting not be full of lava and telegraphed attacks, but I also want him to think a bit in combat, and be challenged.
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Are you electing to have the enemies in question attempt to roll to safety as described under the Forced Movement entry in the glossary (pg. 64 of the kickstarter preview), or are you having them dive and the prone on success is too punitive for you? There are also a few Monster Traits such as Balanced and Massive that could help out as long as you don't overuse them.
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They've been landing on their feet, just in the blast radius of an oncoming bomb or in a freshly opened lava pit. Those solutions should probably work though.
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Is there a repository of Strike monsters and magic items anywhere?
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Gort posted:Is there a repository of Strike monsters and magic items anywhere? Well the KS preview has the sample monsters, and the Dr. Frankenstein backers preview is up, too. Other than that, no. I intend to type up the monsters I've been using for my XCOM game, but they are just scratched on some scrap paper right now.
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An item repository would be cool because while the custom monster design pages are really useful and easy, the instructions to make items are not so much.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:An item repository would be cool because while the custom monster design pages are really useful and easy, the instructions to make items are not so much. I think you underestimate quite how lazy I am and how willing I am to throw an endless procession of reskinned strikers and snipers at my players. Please, think of my players.
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Gort posted:I think you underestimate quite how lazy I am and how willing I am to throw an endless procession of reskinned strikers and snipers at my players. Please, think of my players. An endless procession of reskinned snipers and strikers neatly characterizes most of the enemies I've been using for my X-COM game. Sectoids are sniper goons with psychic bullshit. Thin men are snipers with a nasty poison gas encounter power. Floaters are flying snipers. Chryssalids are straight strikers. Seekers are obviously combination Sneaks/Grapplers. I haven't used outsiders yet, but they are just snipers who can nail you through cover. The drones I used were terrible and boring and need a redesign - they did little damage and took little damage and had no special powers except repairing each other (which I didn't even use when I saw how slow the combat would be), making them a boring-rear end slog. Edit: I'd like to include a bigger list of items, so please everyone post an item or two if you want me to put it in the game. I can write up some myself, but you will all have different perspectives and come up with things I wouldn't think of.
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