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Immortan posted:I'm thinking about picking up the Stormlight Archive series and I just want to know if its too "light hearted" like Harry Potter or more "gritty" like Asofai? Looking for more of the latter, personally. TIA! It's not for kids like Harry Potter either. A defining character moment is a spent on the edge of a cliff contemplating suicide. If you think "gritty" means rape, sudden character death, or pages spent describing food then it's not what you want. If you mean it's a story meant for adults, then you are on the right path. No sex, but the main character is dealing with depression.
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enigma105 posted:It's not for kids like Harry Potter either. A defining character moment is a spent on the edge of a cliff contemplating suicide. If you think "gritty" means rape, sudden character death, or pages spent describing food then it's not what you want. If you mean it's a story meant for adults, then you are on the right path. No sex, but the main character is dealing with depression. Seasonal Affective Disorder to be specific. 
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Captain Monkey posted:Seasonal Affective Disorder to be specific. Plus regular depression and possibly Bipolar.
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Always fun to see what a horrible influence Gurm had on fantasy, good thing he doesn't write anymore. Books can be dark without unneeded violence and "twists", they can also have an actual story.
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I don't know what "grittiness" is but Stormlight and WoT both have at least as many morally fraught situations and complex characters as ASoIaF. GRRM is more willing to kill off characters, but he's also more willing to spend time writing about characters that are ultimately unimportant. GRRM writes more in-your-face descriptions of underage labia perfuming and rape but Stormlight and WoT are both more violent in terms of battles and on par for gory descriptions of conflict. Stormlight and WoT are definitely more typical "high fantasy" with magic and fantastical strangeness being more common than in ASoIaF. So if any of that is what you mean by "grittiness" then there ya go.
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Immortan posted:I'm thinking about picking up the Stormlight Archive series and I just want to know if its too "light hearted" like Harry Potter or more "gritty" like Asofai? Looking for more of the latter, personally. TIA! Totally subjective rating chart by me: Completely non-serious <--------------------Light-hearted--------------------Bit Gritty--------------------Overly Gritty--------------------> Torture Porn (Discworld) (Harry Potter) (Belgariad/Mallorean) (Lord of the Rings) (Kingkiller Chronicles) (Gentleman Bastards) (Stormlight Archives) (Wheel of Time) (Mistborn) (The First Law) (Prince of Nothing) (Malazan) (A Song of Ice and Fire) (A Land Fit for Heroes)
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Xachariah posted:Totally subjective rating chart by me: Don't get me wrong, I think the Gentleman Bastards (well, the first book really) is the best fantasy I've ever read, but I'd bump it a few notches over on your scale there!
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Tahirovic posted:Always fun to see what a horrible influence Gurm had on fantasy, good thing he doesn't write anymore. Books can be dark without unneeded violence and "twists", they can also have an actual story. Sanderson does a whole bunch of twists too, like Sazed becoming Harmony. Hell, Kelsier's death is basically Ned Stark's. mod edit: please don't make me add spoilers to your posts, thanks Somebody fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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computer parts posted:Sanderson does a whole bunch of twists too, like Sazed becoming Harmony. Why on earth would you make this post?
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Velius posted:Why on earth would you make this post? Because those books are like a decade old?
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There are a lot of people that come to the thread and haven't read them and plan to, though.
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Xachariah posted:Totally subjective rating chart by me: Your subjective book chart is really bad. Source: My subjective book chart
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syphon posted:Am I reading this correctly, in that you're ranking Gentleman Bastards (which contains a description of how young red-headed girls are cut open and then raped to death for supposed curative properties) as LESS gritty than Stormlight, WoT, and Mistborn? Also an execution by drowning in horse piss.
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OneTwentySix posted:There are a lot of people that come to the thread and haven't read them and plan to, though. If you're going to sperg out about spoilers it should be the guy who spoiled a completely unrelated series a post above mine.
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Could you please just edit your post and put in the spoiler tags. What you wrote is a really big part of the end of the mistborn trilogy.
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mewse posted:Could you please just edit your post and put in the spoiler tags. What you wrote is a really big part of the end of the mistborn trilogy. TBB Rules posted:If you *are* in a discussion thread for a specific author, book, or series, use spoiler tags for anything that's been out less than about six months to a year. Please don't spoiler every plot point from every book in an author thread for an author that has written almost two dozen books, it makes the thread annoying to read, thanks.
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Clockwork Gadget posted:Please don't spoiler every plot point from every book in an author thread for an author that has written almost two dozen books, it makes the thread annoying to read, thanks. Spoiling the end of a trilogy most people tell newbies to read as the first one is still a lovely thing to do, whether it's against the rules or not.
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NinjaDebugger posted:Spoiling the end of a trilogy most people tell newbies to read as the first one is still a lovely thing to do, whether it's against the rules or not. Especially when it's a post as asinine as the one I called out. "Sanderson has twists in his books. :spoils endings of multiple books: end post." There's no point to it except to gently caress over new readers, because it sure as hell wasn't a discussion of anything. I don't think we need walls of black everywhere either, but providing some semblance of context to the post before the endings of multiple books is a painless courtesy.
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Sanderson's twists usually serve the story, Gurm has them to make plotlines disappear or get stuck in quicksand. The first two ASoIaF books are cool the rest is worse than WoT books 8 and 9. Then again, I still maintain WoT would have died without Sanderson, since Jordan kinda lost track and got carried away by useless poo poo, pretty much like Gurm.
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Tahirovic posted:Sanderson's twists usually serve the story, Gurm has them to make plotlines disappear or get stuck in quicksand. The first two ASoIaF books are cool the rest is worse than WoT books 8 and 9. Jordan's last book "Knife of Dreams", already began to resolve plotlines. Faile was rescued and the Shaido were finished, Tuon returned to Ebou Dar, Semirhage was captured, Mat escaped the Seanchan held lands. And considering that Sanderson worked closely with Harriet, Jordan's wife and editor, with plenty of notes left over from Robert Jordan himself, I have no doubt that the series was entering it's endgame even before Sanderson took over.
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Torrannor posted:Jordan's last book "Knife of Dreams", already began to resolve plotlines. Faile was rescued and the Shaido were finished, Tuon returned to Ebou Dar, Semirhage was captured, Mat escaped the Seanchan held lands. And considering that Sanderson worked closely with Harriet, Jordan's wife and editor, with plenty of notes left over from Robert Jordan himself, I have no doubt that the series was entering it's endgame even before Sanderson took over. Was gonna post this. Even in WoT book 10 RJ redeemed a lot of the stories that were getting tiresome and 11 is one of the better books in the series. Gurm still has to write another book so we know whether or not he has any idea what he's doing with ASoIaF. Stormlight, whatever its other flaws, has yet to leave me wondering if Sanderson knows where the gently caress he's going with the story and side plots. It's usually an issue farther into a big series so we'll have to wait, but I think the combination of different PoV foci and timeskips will probably help with anything that would otherwise drag on to the point of boredom/pointlessness.
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syphon posted:Am I reading this correctly, in that you're ranking Gentleman Bastards (which contains a description of how young red-headed girls are cut open and then raped to death for supposed curative properties) as LESS gritty than Stormlight, WoT, and Mistborn? I haven't actually re-read it in a long time and I've only read the first one and I've forgotten most of it. Edit: And now that you mention it I vaguely recall some of the grittiness and I'd totally rate it probably before or after The First Law series. Ish. Xachariah fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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Tahirovic posted:Sanderson's twists usually serve the story, Gurm has them to make plotlines disappear or get stuck in quicksand. The first two ASoIaF books are cool the rest is worse than WoT books 8 and 9. How can you like AGoT and ACoK yet think ASoS wasn't as good if not better than them? 
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 WE HAVE A SHADOW OF SELF PROLOGUE! http://www.tor.com/2015/06/29/excerpt-brandon-sanderson-shadows-of-self-prologue/ quote:Shadows of Self is available October 6th in the US from Tor Books, and October 9th in the UK from Gollancz. Read an excerpt below, and stay tuned for further sneak peeks at Brandon Sanderson’s latest adventure! It's very similar to the Alloy of Law prologue. And I think it's pretty good, which supports my optimism about the book. Torrannor fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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Initiate countdown to complaints about Sanderson using the word "piano".
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aparmenideanmonad posted:Initiate countdown to complaints about Sanderson using the word "piano". "Super funny" in the first 5 sentences. Ugh.
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The guys at tor.com are on a roll, now the first chapter of Shadow of Self is out as well. http://www.tor.com/2015/06/30/excerpt-brandon-sanderson-shadows-of-self-chapter-one/ I think somebody's uncle is getting rid of the competition in his organization. Has the cover been posted in the thread yet? 
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Maaaan Sanderson's US covers suck balls 
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thespaceinvader posted:Maaaan Sanderson's US covers suck balls
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Torrannor posted:The guys at tor.com are on a roll, now the first chapter of Shadow of Self is out as well. http://www.tor.com/2015/07/01/excerpt-brandon-sanderson-shadows-of-self-chapter-two/ Chapter 2!
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That chapter I've seen before, unfortunately. Still worth reading though.
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Tunicate posted:http://www.tor.com/2015/07/01/excerpt-brandon-sanderson-shadows-of-self-chapter-two/ gently caress, you've beaten me! Velius posted:That chapter I've seen before, unfortunately. Still worth reading though. I can only recall the beginning of this chapter being available a few months back. But I agree that it's still worth reading. There are so many things that I just really like about it. 1. Marsh's journal excerpts. Is he right about hemalurgy? Does it no longer require the user to kill people to steal their powers? He couldn't let it die, does that mean he gave the Set knowledge about it? 2. The mention of Father Demoux. Demoux is a world hopper and made an appearance in The Way of Kings. I think Way of Kings is set not long after The Hero of Ages, so that's no problem. But if it's the same Demoux 300 years later, that would mean he became immortal or very long lived. Like Marsh for example. Demoux was already an Atium misting, if he somehow got ferruchemical ability to store age in Atium, he could extend his life in the same way. 3. The technological development of the world, Wax being grumpy about it and Marasi embracing it fully. 4. Wax using the metallic arts and being awesome at it. 5. The giant cliffhanger at the end. I'm really excited about the book.
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Torrannor posted:
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Ithaqua posted:Wouldn't there be no more atium? How did Marsh survive if he doesn't have access to Atium? Perhaps he had some when Sazed became Harmony, but would it have lasted 300 years? Also, remember that quite a bit of Preservation's power is bound in humans, meaning that Ruin's power is greater and would probably pose a threat to Harmony's stability. What does Sazed do with the surplus Ruin power? Perhaps he turns it into Atium? Not as much Atium as there was during the Lord Ruler's time, but it could still be enough to allow some favored humans to do incredible things with it. Like not aging.
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Ithaqua posted:Wouldn't there be no more atium? Harmony still drips out atium because Ruin is slightly more powerful than Preservation.
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Regarding point 2 from your post:Torrannor posted:
Timeline issues: Brandon Sanderson posted:
So obviously Demoux must have some way of being immortal, either with help from Harmony or the 17th Shard has some way of extending its members lifespans. Fezz fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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Fezz posted:Timeline issues: We actually have a hint of how this is possible even without a steady drip of atium. In the mistborn RPG, the complete table of metals includes one that is capable of storing investiture itself, and it can then be pulled out to power other things, essentially being able, at least in theory, to transform one type of investiture to another, so given even a single nugget of atium, you could pull investiture out of the other metal, store it in the atium, and then pull age out of the atium without burning it. Not as effective as burning it, but as long as you have the other investiture sources to burn, you don't have to give up the enablers.
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Velius posted:Especially when it's a post as asinine as the one I called out. "Sanderson has twists in his books. :spoils endings of multiple books: end post." There's no point to it except to gently caress over new readers, because it sure as hell wasn't a discussion of anything. So, as someone who read that without thinking, whose only read the first book, and plans to read the rest, how hosed am I?
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