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syscall girl posted:it is known Still had her eyebrows at the end of Dance so obviously they can.
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Grendels Dad posted:Maybe he died because he was so happy he finally got his crown that his heart simply stopped beating. They're sensitive creatures, dragons. 
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Jun 26, 2015 06:46
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kcroy posted:Dany makes a blood sacrifice ( She kills Carl, and is burning his body ) which could account for both the waking of the dragons and her Fire Resistance +80. If gods are involved, Dany suiciding into the fire might count as sacrifice / blood magic too. I always imagined that the blood sacrifice was burning Miri Maz Dur alive, rather than burning Khal Drogo's corpse.
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I got the impression it wouldn't have worked if mirri didn't try to sing her songs. She added to it, inadvertantly. Or maybe she just had infinite respect for getting burnt alive and gave dany a freebie on her way out.
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Jun 27, 2015 06:06
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It was the combo live sacrifice/kings blood duo.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Still rereading AGOT, I must say I kinda didn't remember what a huge unpleasant rear end in a top hat Ned was, he insults pretty much every single person he meets in that entire book unless that person is a northman or Barristan Selmy. Why would he be nice to the Lannisters or basically any of the small council other than Selmy? He knows Baelish is a piece of poo poo obsessed with his wife and who the hell is going to trust the King's goddamn Spymaster when they first meet them? Plus all Stark men become idiots when they go through puberty. See: Jon, Ned, and Robb all being honor-bound morons and dying as a direct result. Ned also blames the Lannister's for his mentor's death so any shred of politeness he had towards them is loving gone.
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"Those dudes are all a bunch of corrupt and/or incompetent jerks that probably killed the man that basically raised me and might be conspiring against me as well, better be really polite to them seeing as I'm good at pleasantries and not widely known as a straightforward no nonsense sort of guy who wouldn't know subterfuge if it stabbed him in the face." -Ned "the Headless Northman" Stark
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Jun 27, 2015 07:56
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I imagine Ned trying to be polite to the Lannisters would turn out like that one deleted scene from Terminator 2 where the Terminator learns how to smile.
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Well, ok so you guys think it's perfectly cool to be an impolite rear end in a top hat to your new colleagues, sure whatever. Anyway, I thought it was pretty funny how in the novels Ned hates tournaments probably due to the heartache the great tourney at Harenhall caused him and his family but in the show they changed it so that Ned doesn't participate in tournaments cause he saves his grand master fighting skills to war and doesn't want his enemies to learn his tricks. Small but silly change.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Why would he be nice to the Lannisters or basically any of the small council other than Selmy? jon snow died because he broke all of his oaths. robb stark died because he broke an oath . nedd died because he hid the truth from his liege due to his ptsd. they all died due to lapses of honour
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Well, ok so you guys think it's perfectly cool to be an impolite rear end in a top hat to your new colleagues, sure whatever. Well that's what he tells people to save face. I mean wait am I defending the show!?
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Evil Fluffy posted:Why would he be nice to the Lannisters or basically any of the small council other than Selmy? He also thinks the Lannisters tried to kill their son, which they did.
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Fhate posted:I always imagined that the blood sacrifice was burning Miri Maz Dur alive, rather than burning Khal Drogo's corpse. poo poo you are right, forgot about her.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Plus all Stark men become idiots when they go through puberty. See: Jon, Ned, and Robb all being honor-bound morons and dying as a direct result. Ned also blames the Lannister's for his mentor's death so any shred of politeness he had towards them is loving gone. Wasn't Brandon Stark a bit of dick? He chopped up LF and he nailed then jilted Barbray Dustin, causing all sorts of bad feeling. That last bit doesn't sound very honourable at all.
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Collateral posted:Wasn't Brandon Stark a bit of dick? He chopped up LF and he nailed then jilted Barbray Dustin, causing all sorts of bad feeling. That last bit doesn't sound very honourable at all. Baelish challenged him so instead of cutting him down he just gave him a nice scar. Could have been worse.
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Cat had to beg him to spare Petyr's life iirc.
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TommyGun85 posted:I.....dont get it. Oglaf is a porn comic, just ignore it.
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I like Little Finger but he deserved it. He must have enjoyed seeing him choke to death
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Cat was so prickly her entire life about Ned's supposed one act of infidelity, she would have went Lady Stoneheart long before the red wedding if she actually got to marry Brandon.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Cat was so prickly her entire life about Ned's supposed one act of infidelity, she would have went Lady Stoneheart long before the red wedding if she actually got to marry Brandon. I like that the show had her being remorseful about Jon. It was really endearing and of course a set up for the red wedding but whatevs it was compelling and uh, poignant.
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syscall girl posted:I like that the show had her being remorseful about Jon. It was really endearing and of course a set up for the red wedding but whatevs it was compelling and uh, poignant. Actually now that I think of it her wishing her nephew dead and having her own son die was pretty fitting. I can't remember exactly but wasn't she like "why couldn't it have been Jon instead of Bran?" And then it ends up being Robb.
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When Jon leaves for the watch he wants to see Bran one last time cause he hasn't visited him at all since he fell on account of Cat never leaving his bedside, when he does she tells him "it should have been you" but Jon is actually mature and realizes she's half insane from grief so he doesn't make a big deal out of it, unlike goons who do.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:When Jon leaves for the watch he wants to see Bran one last time cause he hasn't visited him at all since he fell on account of Cat never leaving his bedside, when he does she tells him "it should have been you" but Jon is actually mature and realizes she's half insane from grief so he doesn't make a big deal out of it, unlike goons who do. Yeah that's fair. She had a hard time with her kids. Criticizing her for that is much like criticizing Skyler on Breaking Bad. I just thought the show made an improvement on the books by having her regret being cold to Jon.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Oglaf is a porn comic, you should read it. ftfy
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kcroy posted:ftfy Oglaf is a pretty funny comic that is not always safe for work
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emanresu tnuocca posted:When Jon leaves for the watch he wants to see Bran one last time cause he hasn't visited him at all since he fell on account of Cat never leaving his bedside, when he does she tells him "it should have been you" but Jon is actually mature and realizes she's half insane from grief so he doesn't make a big deal out of it, unlike goons who do. Jon is a loving moron no one should ever give a poo poo about what he thinks about things.
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The entire Night's Watch is made up out of loving morons. Jon is a full-time idiot, but at least he's not so stupid that he can see that leaving the Wildlings on the other side of the Wall to die and add to the army of fuckoff ice zombies is a bad thing. And even if they don't fight with the Watch, at least the Wildlings aren't trying to eat their brains and will defend the lands he's given them from the ice zombies. Which means hopefully there will be less of the others to come up from behind on Castle Black when everything finally goes to poo poo. It's a loving win-win move and stabbing Jon because he planned for them to fight less ice zombies and maybe have allies in the Long Night is the stupidest thing ever. It wasn't like he was burning people alive or taking over their cities, then crucifying them or loving his brother and destroying the kingdom or something. He's just a mouth-breather with a hardon for honor. Jon Snow 2.0 is gonna emo harder than ever. I can't wait. I hope they make him a talking dog or something.
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empty sea posted:The entire Night's Watch is made up out of loving morons. Jon is a full-time idiot, but at least he's not so stupid that he can see that leaving the Wildlings on the other side of the Wall to die and add to the army of fuckoff ice zombies is a bad thing. And even if they don't fight with the Watch, at least the Wildlings aren't trying to eat their brains and will defend the lands he's given them from the ice zombies. Which means hopefully there will be less of the others to come up from behind on Castle Black when everything finally goes to poo poo. you have the reading comprehension of a small child. they stabbed jon immediately after he announced he was going to lead an attack on winterfell, ie: attack the seven kingdoms while the nights watch are the weakest they have ever been. Jon broke the oaths and then announced that he was deserting
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imagine everything is the same but in the show "wildlings" are black and community leader jon snow let "wildlings" from like two blocks outside of the gated community swim in the pool too makes you think hunh A Tasteful Nude fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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For all the complaints you can level against ADWD, understanding why the Night's Watch would want to stab Jon is pretty far down the list. They all but hold Jon hostage multiple times to get him to level out his game plan and instead he presses on bull-headed with reassurances that everything will be fine even though literally everything he's done and is continuing to do is upending the routine the Night's Watch has been in for like a Millennium. Jon's crimes have poo poo all to do thematically with breaking oaths, which Jamie's own transgression of multiple serious oaths explicit and implicit (Kingslaying, incest) indicate are not preclusion to personal reform. They're about how his particular flaws in upbringing, personality, and thinking are his downfall, which is the running them of literally every failed leader thus far in the series and one of the very few remaining claims to greatness left: * Robert's hedonism gets him supplanted behind his back and lured into an easy trap * Ned's ethics prevent him from crushing his enemies when he has the chance, allowing them to crush him * Robb's immature adherence to his father's ideals has him making the wrong enemies, setting up an obvious betrayal * Stannis' rigid zealotry has him completely unloved by anyone who isn't directly saved by him, creating an insular lack of vision that will fail to hold power long-term * Theon's identity issues completely rule his decision-making and get him caught in nightmare scenario after nightmare scenario * Balon is a crusted prick who relies on tarnished pride as a motivation tool, despite tarnished pride being inherently toxic to morale over time * Renly is both very unlucky and too sheltered to understand he is not fighting a conventional war even as he lays dying * Tyrion's need for validation keeps him from making a proper coup against his enemies until it's too late to succeed, causing him to be banished and hated by the public * Joffrey's spoiled nature has him unloved by literally anyone except his mother and there's a rush to who can get rid of him first without calling down his relatives * Tywin's need to domineer has him fail to notice his own vulnerabilities and alienate the person most suited to inherent his mantle * Cersei's arrogance has her playing Tywin's flaws but even worse and fails to notice the players on the board around her * Asha's pragmatism plays in direct contrast to Euron's bombast and plays out like Carter vs. Reagan in Viking form * Euron meanwhile is destined to fail because he's an egotistical madman with no clear agenda beyond the seizure of raw and unstable power * Dany's inability to think more than five loving seconds beyond what's in front of her at any given moment has her so far off-course from her goals it's a joke to everyone except the author * Kevan's unwillingness to be a pawn has him assassinated * And lastly Jon's inexperience and social isolation has him completely unable to read and compromise with the people around him even though he's making all the right "big picture" moves The irony is that even if they had all recognized and worked to correct these flaws every single character could and probably would have still failed due to the machinations of others, but in each case there was always at least one or two or more key moments where a different person in their shoes would have zigged instead of zagged and dodged a massive pitfall, but each character's shortcomings thus become part of their tragic undoing. Even deeper still there's a sense in the way characters offer advice to others that combined co-operative perspective can avail such tragedy but no character is ever truly in the sincere counsel of others nor ready to listen when it matters. The lesson isn't mere shaggydog storytelling, although the overarching plot is still leaning on that-- it's that no matter what you do a leader is all but destined to be undone by their own failings to be more than a human being. mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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mind the walrus posted:
Looks like these flaws... :outdatedcarusogif.png: are fatal.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:
It's cold to the touch isn't it? So it's probably a blood-sword.
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You made me check the news to see if GRRM died. What are you talking about?
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I always keep this open in another tab to be sure: http://www.isgeorgerrmartindead.com/index.php
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They haven't been able to update the pages written count since 2012.
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For real? I thought he had to present chapters a couple of times a year for advance monies.
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rejutka posted:For real? I thought he had to present chapters a couple of times a year for advance monies. The dude is worth like a hundred million dollars, his novels are a guaranteed goldmine no matter when he chooses to release them, the publishers don't get to boss him around no more. You could say he's not their bitch.
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rejutka posted:For real? I thought he had to present chapters a couple of times a year for advance monies. Pretty sure he does. As of last year, he's made one contracted submission since finishing ADWD and has likely missed plenty of deadlines. What are the publishers going to do about it? Absolutely nothing.
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