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Sakura should be left alone in the movie. There is a dark side to magic that you've only seen glimpses of, and fully exploring the Matou magic would reaaaaally paint the proper picture for the story. Cause holy gently caress the Matou magic is garbage.
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Considering Zero showed her being wormraped at 7 or whatever, I don't see them sticking with the non-sexualized version of Sakura's story for the anime.
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Jun 28, 2015 20:05
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I'm all for less rape in the movie/Realta Nua, but they already kinda cracked the  with Fate/Zero's scenes with the bug room (ugh..) so it could go either way for the movie/movies
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Jun 28, 2015 20:06
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Am I the only one that thinks that while everything after nine bullet revolver is loving amazing, everything that happens before that is also awesome? You've got plenty of fights with the Saber vs Rider curbstomp, Rider vs Assassin, Saber vs Assassin, Rider vs Archer, Berserker struggling against the shadow and Saber. There is Shinji getting punched by Shiro and manhandled by Rider. Food porn and food drama, often a the same time. Ilya being awesome, Sakura going crazy, Shirou breaking down. There is the Shadow making every scene it appears terrifying. Horrible things happening every night. Mapo Tofu. I think more things happen in the first half of HF that in the first half of either Fate or UBW. It's just that the second half is so crazy it makes the first half seem empty. Also, Ufotable have proven that they are great at "people stading around talking" scenes.
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Jun 28, 2015 20:09
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Everything prior to NBR that doesn't involve Kirei, Rider, or Ilya is complete loving trash.
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Jun 28, 2015 20:11
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Nah, I like it all too. I enjoy all of HF, and the big scene in the rain is probably one of my favorite parts. Especially since it sounds so goofy out of context. It probably helps that I like melodrama.
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Jun 28, 2015 20:13
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my honest confession is that i don't really remember what happens in HF outside of a few big scenes
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Jun 28, 2015 20:14
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Well, I had struggled through Fate for the second run before UBW started, so I guess I'll play through UBW and HF on RN now. I didn't do any of the alternate ends, just the true ends, and it was on the original version, so hopefully there's enough new stuff between RN and trying to 100% it to keep it entertaining
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Jun 28, 2015 20:17
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Nate RFB posted:I'm really, really curious what you think of the first route Fate, having come at it from presumably knowing all about Zero and of course UBW. I'll definitely post about it here, when i finish it up....in about 15 years at this rate. It would probably go faster if i could stick it on my tablet or phone.
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Jun 28, 2015 20:17
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I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE A BAD PERSON SO I'LL BE YOUR SUPERHERO narration: hey this won't work out for you
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Jun 28, 2015 20:18
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Ytlaya posted:I didn't really like that, because I thought it was more or less explicitly stated that Ea is the most powerful thing ever (and is also alien or something), as evidenced by the fact that Shirou is unable to trace it. The UBW end works because Shirou won due to taking advantage of Gilgamesh's arrogance, but in Fate Gilgamesh just loses despite using his strongest ability. eh, avalon is like fairy magic though? so I mean, I don't think it's that crazy that it could overcome an alien artifact  it's not like powerlevels poo poo means much at all in this franchise anyway
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Jun 28, 2015 20:35
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Rodyle posted:Considering Zero showed her being wormraped at 7 or whatever, I don't see them sticking with the non-sexualized version of Sakura's story for the anime. The difference between original and RN Matou magic is that worms don't have the courtesy of giving female hosts orgasms, that's about it. Sakura's still tortured and experimented on for 11 years. (And battered by her stepbrother for 3 years). The whole vampire thing was indeed stupid, though.
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Jun 28, 2015 20:47
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rvm posted:is that worms don't have the courtesy of giving female hosts orgasms My favorite part about this is that if the worms' host is male it eats their bone marrow/part of their brain and shatters their spine, but if it's female it...gives them mind-blowing orgasms. I just looked this up on the type-moon wiki, and specifically it says: "When it is a female, they absorb the mental energy created after sexual stimulation is made through the nervous system. Usually don't consume the flesh of women, but the uterus is their favorite meals. Will eat the placenta after giving its victim sexual pleasure strong enough to fry the nerves of the brain." I guess if you have to die, that's one of the better options. Also, women apparently produce much more horny energy than men. Yasser Arafatwa posted:eh, avalon is like fairy magic though? so I mean, I don't think it's that crazy that it could overcome an alien artifact I think it's strange because Gilgamesh should have had Avalon in his Gate of Babylon and known about it as a result; I mean it's the scabbard for Excalibur, and I'm pretty sure Excalibur (and literally every other noble phantasm ever) was in his treasury. It would be one thing if Gilgamesh just had "a whole lot of Noble Phatasms", but he's supposed to have literally every single one with Ea being objectively the best one of all. This only really bugs me because of how explicit I remember them being about the abilities of Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon and Ea. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Jun 28, 2015 22:07
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You'll never match my horny levels, Kakarot.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:14
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Ytlaya posted:I think it's strange because Gilgamesh should have had Avalon in his Gate of Babylon and known about it as a result; I mean it's the scabbard for Excalibur, and I'm pretty sure Excalibur (and literally every other noble phantasm ever) was in his treasury. It would be one thing if Gilgamesh just had "a whole lot of Noble Phatasms", but he's supposed to have literally every single one with Ea being objectively the best one of all. Excalibur and its sheath are not weapons forged by humans or gods, but something given shape by the planet itself out of collective wishes of humanity, and thus has no prototype that could be stored inside GoB.
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Ytlaya posted:My favorite part about this is that if the worms' host is male it eats their bone marrow/part of their brain and shatters their spine, but if it's female it...gives them mind-blowing orgasms. but it's the original avalon so it wouldn't be in the gates of babylon
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Jun 28, 2015 22:25
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Ytlaya posted:I think it's strange because Gilgamesh should have had Avalon in his Gate of Babylon and known about it as a result; I mean it's the scabbard for Excalibur, and I'm pretty sure Excalibur (and literally every other noble phantasm ever) was in his treasury. It would be one thing if Gilgamesh just had "a whole lot of Noble Phatasms", but he's supposed to have literally every single one with Ea being objectively the best one of all. I don't think Gil has either Avalon or Excalibur in GoB, since they're made by fairies/the Lady of the Lake. He does, however, have the precursor to Excalibur within his treasury, although it isn't as powerful as Excalibur. Or maybe that was Caliburn...
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Jun 28, 2015 22:26
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Powerful dickworm orgasms
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Jun 28, 2015 22:29
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Endorph posted:heaven's feel was a rapey route because sakura was raped Oh definitely. I'm just wanting the explicit and rapey stuff toned down a bit from Tohsaka's Anus levels to something a bit more reasonable, not to have the aspect of the story removed entirely. I'm just hoping it's handled at least semi maturely, which I don't think will be an issue with Ufotable.
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Ah, I forgot about the whole "everything in GoB is a prototype of all the Noble Phantasms" thing (and Avalon/Excalibur also not being made my human hands*). I guess it just sort of bugs me that they had the tools (Avalon in Shiro + Saber's Excalibur) to defeat Gilgamesh all along, when before I had thought of him more as this guy that is basically unbeatable if he goes all out and you don't catch him off guard (since even Shirou/Archer wouldn't be able to do anything if he started out using Ea). Beating his strongest thing by just slamming their strongest things into it makes for a kind of boring fight, at least compared with something like Shirou/Gil's fight in UBW. Gil's whole appeal over your average villain type character is that he is super arrogant because he is, in fact, actually the best/strongest. *Though this makes it strange that Shirou could still trace them, while he just flat out, no matter how skilled he becomes, can't trace Ea.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:38
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Shirou can only trace Avalon because it was inside him for like 10 years.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:43
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With Avalon it kinda makes sense because it's such a fundamental part of his being. I suppose you could kinda extend that to the sword it sheathed?
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Jun 28, 2015 22:44
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About Avalon, from my memory (and the sources I checked kind of backed me up on this) it's not that Avalon is an actual shield. It literally places the person in another dimension (the Utopia Avalon land of the faeries blah blah) so they are unreachable by damage. Basically, Ea's ultimate destructive power can't beat its defense because its defense is essentially "I'm not even there in the first place." Or I guess more accurately, "the space I'm occupying is another dimension and you can't get me neener neener neener neener!"
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Twiddy posted:About Avalon, from my memory (and the sources I checked kind of backed me up on this) it's not that Avalon is an actual shield. It literally places the person in another dimension (the Utopia Avalon land of the faeries blah blah) so they are unreachable by damage. Basically, Ea's ultimate destructive power can't beat its defense because its defense is essentially "I'm not even there in the first place." Or I guess more accurately, "the space I'm occupying is another dimension and you can't get me neener neener neener neener!" Does this mean if Gil was caught in Avalon's dimensional bubble, he'd be able to nuke Avalon (the concept) with Ea like he did Ionian Hetairoi? (Assuming it actually works similar to reality marbles.) And, yeah. IIRC, the Avalon they use in Fate isnt the real Avalon, it is just a traced copy.
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Jun 28, 2015 23:30
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Ea at full power can easily rupture dimensional walls so even Avalon wouldn't work. But Gilgamesh never uses it at full power so the point is moot.
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AlternateNu posted:Does this mean if Gil was caught in Avalon's dimensional bubble, he'd be able to nuke Avalon (the concept) with Ea like he did Ionian Hetairoi? (Assuming it actually works similar to reality marbles.) And, yeah. IIRC, the Avalon they use in Fate isnt the real Avalon, it is just a traced copy. The Avalon Shirou uses in Fate is a traced copy, though it is unique among his projections in that it isn't weaker than the original- since it's been a part of his body for ten years he can reproduce it perfectly. Saber uses the original Avalon, stolen from her before the battle of Camlann, recovered by the Einzberns and returned to her by Shirou. And I don't think Avalon has a "dimensional bubble" Gilgamesh could get caught in- it seems that it only affects the user himself. BlitzBlast posted:Ea at full power can easily rupture dimensional walls so even Avalon wouldn't work. But Gilgamesh never uses it at full power so the point is moot. I don't think it would work- Avalon's impervious even to the five sorceries, one of which explicitly deals with parallel dimensions. Aumanor fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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BlitzBlast posted:Ea at full power can easily rupture dimensional walls so even Avalon wouldn't work. But Gilgamesh never uses it at full power so the point is moot. That's the beauty of Avalon's defense, really. Its defense is absolute because there's no real way of getting around "you're bombing London while I'm on the beach in Cancun." AlternateNu posted:Does this mean if Gil was caught in Avalon's dimensional bubble, he'd be able to nuke Avalon (the concept) with Ea like he did Ionian Hetairoi? (Assuming it actually works similar to reality marbles.) And, yeah. IIRC, the Avalon they use in Fate isnt the real Avalon, it is just a traced copy.
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Avalon is explicitly immune to the Fourth Sorcery which is hilariously the only one we don't know, making it the only less useful scale comparison in Nasu than Dragons. But no Ea even at full power can't pierce Avalon because Avalon isn't really a shield of anything, and it's not a bubble either, it works for Saber and that's it, others can only use it to heal. Even if EA could pierce it, EA at full power would shred the planet in half so it's not really an option for Gil.
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Rodyle posted:Avalon is explicitly immune to the Fourth Sorcery which is hilariously the only one we don't know, making it the only less useful scale comparison in Nasu than Dragons. But no Ea even at full power can't pierce Avalon because Avalon isn't really a shield of anything, and it's not a bubble either, it works for Saber and that's it, others can only use it to heal. Fate sucks. UBW and HF ftw.
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It's still a holy thing, it's natural for it to resist "Evil"/"Negative Energy". Same way Gil can resist the mud.
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Jun 29, 2015 00:54
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Raenir Salazar posted:It's still a holy thing, it's natural for it to resist "Evil"/"Negative Energy". Same way Gil can resist the mud.
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Jun 29, 2015 01:00
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Any word on how many movies they're making for HF? UBW is a faithful enough adaptation, and I've enjoyed it overall, stayed the hell away from the show thread though. KnK is still the best nasu adaptation.
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Kellanved posted:Any word on how many movies they're making for HF? UBW is a faithful enough adaptation, and I've enjoyed it overall, stayed the hell away from the show thread though. You my good person, have made a good choice at staying away from the show thread. I agree about KnK.
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So I just got to this part in Fate Extra CCC where you're asking one of the Servants who her Master is. Shinji shows up announcing himself as the Master and Gilgamesh just goes "hahahahahahahahahahaha". Gilgamesh is the best in this game.
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Jun 29, 2015 07:11
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I loved all the little Hollow Ataraxia cameos in the last episode of UBW. I have no idea why they did that, but it was great to see.
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Ytlaya posted:So I just got to this part in Fate Extra CCC where you're asking one of the Servants who her Master is. Shinji shows up announcing himself as the Master and Gilgamesh just goes "hahahahahahahahahahaha". Gilgamesh is the best in this game. Have you got to AUO Castoff yet
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BlitzBlast posted:Nah, I like it all too. I enjoy all of HF, and the big scene in the rain is probably one of my favorite parts. Especially since it sounds so goofy out of context. Why on earth would anybody read an absurdly long anime choose your own adventure picture book if they don't like melodrama though. Dr Pepper fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Have you got to AUO Castoff yet No, though judging from a quick google I think that I'm currently in the chapter where it will happen (since I haven't seen it yet and I'm in in the third chapter where Lancer is an opponent).
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I'm wondering how bad HF being a single movie would really be. How much of the material in there was really necessary to the plot? You could cut a massive chunk out of the slower paced stuff and get a faster paced story with all the cool scenes that made the route so great and some of the better scenes from the huge chunks of nothing happening.
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