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I just watched the women's sabre final from that US Challenge event (it was the only recent video up at the time) and two things stuck out - the constant cheering and clapping, and nobody getting warned for having their hair out. Spotting the first threaten after the bout is started must be a bastard, too.
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BirdOfPlay posted:Do it! Especially if you're afraid you won't get a drinking problem, because the best ref mentoring occurs at the bar. I do it quite a bit around the division, but all the stories I hear about doing it on the national scene... But nothing is worse than reffing epee. Crazy Achmed posted:I just watched the women's sabre final from that US Challenge event (it was the only recent video up at the time) and two things stuck out - the constant cheering and clapping, and nobody getting warned for having their hair out. Spotting the first threaten after the bout is started must be a bastard, too. To be fair it's not as huge of a deal with saber since there's so much to hit and to hit with. And you're not really aiming to his middle of the back.
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Jun 29, 2015 03:04
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It seems like it is over after the second or third strike. And I would like to thank everyone for no I'm gay and kill you are self. I guess I should stay out of gbs.
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Jun 29, 2015 03:07
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dupersaurus posted:I do it quite a bit around the division, but all the stories I hear about doing it on the national scene... But nothing is worse than reffing epee. What's so bad about reffing epee? I'd have thought that fretting over the minutiae of priority rules would be worse. Nice to see that they're being a bit laid back about the hair. thewireguy posted:It seems like it is over after the second or third strike. And I would like to thank everyone for no I'm gay and kill you are self. I guess I should stay out of gbs. We're not gay, we just want to touch you with our tips.
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Jun 29, 2015 04:48
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Crazy Achmed posted:What's so bad about reffing epee? I'd have thought that fretting over the minutiae of priority rules would be worse. e: Like, I'll watch high-level epee bouts for fun and the idea of reffing epee all day makes me cringe.
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Jun 29, 2015 04:56
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I had a really bad week and asked the instructor/sense i if he would defend while I flailed around like an idiot to work off my aggression, but he said I had to be there 6 months before I could do that.  I suppose it is frowned upon to hack away at punching bags too.
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Jun 29, 2015 07:22
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Crazy Achmed posted:What's so bad about reffing epee? I'd have thought that fretting over the minutiae of priority rules would be worse. Yeah, the point usually happens after the second or third strike. It is over pretty quickly.
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Jun 29, 2015 07:29
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Ravenfood posted:Its loving boring as poo poo and as soon as you stop concentrating, someone will go for a toe touch right next to the edge of the piste (or its ungrounded) while the other person is stepping off the side and then you have to make the only call of the match that's actually interesting and you blew it because even as a pretty decent epee fencer a day of reffing it sounds like hell. Especially if the quality of the bout is lower. Not to mention the whole "end of the third period, the bout is to my left, 5-4." Priority is simple and makes things interesting.
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Jun 29, 2015 14:39
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What do y'all do to train in your free time? I'm hitting a bit of a plateau this week and I want to improve or add to my personal training.
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Jun 29, 2015 15:15
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Verisimilidude posted:What do y'all do to train in your free time? I'm hitting a bit of a plateau this week and I want to improve or add to my personal training. Any sort of cross-training. My club hosts a guy that does boot camps which I do once a week, and when the weather's good I'm out on my bike a few times a week. Leg and core is always good, and arm work doesn't hurt either.
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Jun 29, 2015 15:23
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thewireguy posted:I had a really bad week and asked the instructor/sense i if he would defend while I flailed around like an idiot to work off my aggression, but he said I had to be there 6 months before I could do that. What you want is a pell, which is basically a log sunk vertically into the ground. Good luck!
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Jun 29, 2015 16:00
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Verisimilidude posted:What do y'all do to train in your free time? I'm hitting a bit of a plateau this week and I want to improve or add to my personal training.
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Jun 29, 2015 19:42
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Verisimilidude posted:What do y'all do to train in your free time? I'm hitting a bit of a plateau this week and I want to improve or add to my personal training. Running and weight training. Nothing fancy. I really like running with minimalist shoes, though, since they force me to build up my calves.
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Jun 29, 2015 23:23
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Verisimilidude posted:What do y'all do to train in your free time? I'm hitting a bit of a plateau this week and I want to improve or add to my personal training. Same as the last guy, trail running in minimalist shoes and weight lifting. Specifically, westside for skinny bastards. You can find the .pdf if you search through the martial arts thread, it came highly recommended there and it's been working fantastically for me. For the running, I do 2 days of 10 rep hill sprints and a single day of a ~10k trail run.
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Jun 30, 2015 00:52
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:What you want is a pell, which is basically a log sunk vertically into the ground. Good luck! He said I have to be there six months or more to spar. I don't have my own sword. I do have a fire poker I forged in college. I guess you will say I should choke a pillow instead of the homeless or hookers too. gently caress me. I am too sore to do anything anyway.
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Jun 30, 2015 03:44
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thewireguy posted:He said I have to be there six months or more to spar. I don't have my own sword. I do have a fire poker I forged in college. I guess you will say I should choke a pillow instead of the homeless or hookers too. gently caress me. I am too sore to do anything anyway. It's definitely going to help if you set up a target to hit and practise cuts with a suitable stick, but go slow and carefully and think about whether your form is good or not.
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Jun 30, 2015 09:11
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thewireguy posted:He said I have to be there six months or more to spar. I've always been confused at the whole "X amount of time before you spar" thing some places love to do. It's really more about maturity and following a few simple safety rules than actually being good. Different people grasp these things at different rates. By putting a definite time limit on it, the whole thing feels more like hazing than ensuring safety. I assume this is historical, though. What kind of weapons/protective gear do you guys use? I can see the 6 month thing making sense as a general rule to keep the new guys reigned in if you have a situation where one idiot can really hurt someone.
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Jun 30, 2015 11:44
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ScratchAndSniff posted:I've always been confused at the whole "X amount of time before you spar" thing some places love to do. It's really more about maturity and following a few simple safety rules than actually being good. Different people grasp these things at different rates. I'm not sure if it's historical, but we don't follow it in our school. We require students to go through the three beginner classes, which cover basics of striking, footwork, distance, and sword safety. You can take these over the course of a month, since each class is on a twice-weekly schedule. Then students are allowed to take intermediate courses, which include partnering up and practicing sword-on-sword contact. You're allowed to participate in sparring at this point, but if you don't have gear you can probably only use gekken (padded swords). We've even allowed people to spar with gekken who are still beginner students, especially if they think they're hot poo poo. They're only allowed to spar against experienced students though, and they usually don't come back because they get owned.
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Jun 30, 2015 13:57
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I've only seen a couple hotshit new guys ragequit fencing after getting owned by more experienced guys. Each time it was hilarious, though, and I was glad to see them go. Edit: 3 beginner classes before bouting seems pretty reasonable to me. ScratchAndSniff fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Jun 30, 2015 15:00
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Yeah, it is hema. I don't have any gear myself, but gloves and a mask with the neck protector part for what they will let me do. When they spar they have something that looks like a catchers body guard and elbow and shin guards with hard plastic on them. I am glad they didn't allow me to be an idiot. I am over it now, but just wanted to work out my frustrations. I won't be able to make it today because I have to put up a sign for the airport
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Jun 30, 2015 19:19
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They said full gear, including a steel sword costs about $1,500, 500 for the sword. Is this accurate? Links?
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Jun 30, 2015 19:21
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I'm not a HEMAer, but I'm going to propose that asking to spar "to work out my frustrations" is probably not a healthy way to go about the sport.
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Jun 30, 2015 19:26
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dupersaurus posted:I'm not a HEMAer, but I'm going to propose that asking to spar "to work out my frustrations" is probably not a healthy way to go about the sport. I know, I know. I thought it might be better than kicking a dog or something.
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Jun 30, 2015 19:29
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ScratchAndSniff posted:I've always been confused at the whole "X amount of time before you spar" thing some places love to do. It's really more about maturity and following a few simple safety rules than actually being good. Different people grasp these things at different rates. It's about making sure that people have the basics down before they start hacking away at each other. Typically people will forget everything they've been taught the first (many) times in front of a 'live opponent'. In fact, often even just putting them in armor seems to be enough to make people forget. The dojo where I started was quite beginner friendly and you would typically be in armor and sparring within 3-4 months. Current one is a lot more old fashioned and it typically takes about a year. It may sound excessive, but given that kendo is considered a life long pursuit, it will build a much better foundation. For similar reasons, sparring in the beginning also only takes place against seniors. This means that they will be shown the correct way to do it.
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Jun 30, 2015 19:43
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thewireguy posted:They said full gear, including a steel sword costs about $1,500, 500 for the sword. Is this accurate? Links? For protective equipment, you should probably consult Verisimilidude since he does free fencing and should know how people do things on your side of the pond. You can get a feel for the prices by browsing, for instance, Purpleheart Armory, but note that their masks are only rated for 350 Newtons. If your club rules say you should have a proper FIE-certified 1600N mask, it's going to cost a bunch more.
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Jun 30, 2015 19:52
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thewireguy posted:They said full gear, including a steel sword costs about $1,500, 500 for the sword. Is this accurate? Links? A feder will run you between $300 to $500 depending on where you're getting them from. Regenyei feders are well made, minimalist, and will run you around $350, and can be shipped quickly in the US because there's a distributor here. Chlebowski (Facebook link) will run you about $315 + s/h but they take a while to ship. Some people like them, some people don't, but they are constantly improving. Albion swords makes a pretty great feder (the Meyer) but they're a bit higher end (around $490 + s/h) and can take several months to be delivered. I ordered a meyer and a marozzo recently and I have to wait four months before they show up. There are a bunch of different smiths to look into, most of them pretty good. Just stay away from Hanwei, or ask people in your school what they'd suggest. As for protective equipment, a (good) jacket runs around $250+, not including shipping and handling. It's best to speak with a distributor for these, as the best jackets available right now come from Poland and they can take a while to ship. SPES makes the current standard in HEMA fencing jackets. The Axel Pettersson jacket is the most popular. The Pro version was made without his consultation, and includes an additional layer of leather protection on the chest as well as plastic plates along the arm and shoulders. For reference Axel Pettersson is arguably the best longsword fencer in the world, and probably also the best at messer as well. The Absolute Force HEMA mask is another standard in many schools, though most people seem to eventually upgrade to something a bit more comfortable. Gloves you have a bunch of options, mostly depending on your needs. I suggest the Ensifer sparring gloves. They'll run you around $250, but they're solid gloves that should last a while (or until the pro gauntlet comes out, if it ever does). So in total, if you buy stuff that I suggested, that's $250 for the jacket, $350 for a Regenyei feder, $250 for the gloves, and $110 for the mask, give or take a hundred for shipping and handling. Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Jun 30, 2015 19:53
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ImplicitAssembler posted:It's about making sure that people have the basics down before they start hacking away at each other. Typically people will forget everything they've been taught the first (many) times in front of a 'live opponent'. In fact, often even just putting them in armor seems to be enough to make people forget. I can respect wanting students to get the basics down first, but you say it "typically takes..." which makes me think you have some kind of skill requirements. I have no problem there. I'm more annoyed by firm declarations that students need to be around for X months, regardless of how often a student trains or how fast they learn. Also, Kendo is a different world, so I won't pretend anything I say automatically applies there too.
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Verisimilidude posted:A feder will run you between $300 to $500 depending on where you're getting them from. Regenyei feders are well made, minimalist, and will run you around $350, and can be shipped quickly in the US because there's a distributor here. This is a great post for grabbing good quality starter gear. Also echoing ScratchAndSniff though, I personally really like getting beginners into sparring as soon as possible, if only for the look from the other side regarding fencing untrained and potentially suicidal opponents. I consider them as proxy's for 'resolute men half drunk'. Plus sparring seems to teach the concepts faster (or at least teach the mistakes faster).
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Jun 30, 2015 20:27
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I am definitely trying to work out my bad habits, and was not surprised that nobody wanted to fend off a suicidal idiot. I am living paycheck to paycheck. I may have to give up eating out, but what first?
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Jun 30, 2015 20:57
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Oh, mistakes definitely make a quicker impression that drilling. Take that from a newbie.
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Jun 30, 2015 20:59
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thewireguy posted:I may have to give up eating out, but what first? After that, heck, get the sword. You know you want to, and it's going to be your #1 most-used piece of equipment.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:09
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thewireguy posted:I am definitely trying to work out my bad habits, and was not surprised that nobody wanted to fend off a suicidal idiot. I am living paycheck to paycheck. I may have to give up eating out, but what first? It depends on what your school does more of. Most people are willing to lend a spare sword, but fewer people are willing to lend a sweaty jacket or stinky fencing mask. A mask or gloves will let you practice drills more effectively than if you were completely unprotected. I always suggest new students get a mask and lacrosse gloves to start. You can't spar with lacrosse gloves, but you can take an accidental whack to the hands during drills without injury. After that invest in a sword. Then upgrade to better gloves, and then a fencing jacket. Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Jun 30, 2015 21:12
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I'm starting to think our club does things super weird when we just hand newcomers steel blunts, go "okay so rule #1 is everyone leaves healthier than they came in" and have them doing controlled pair drills by the end of their first class. Wearing masks when drilling is an absolute rule, but very few people wear gloves.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:35
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Siivola posted:Wearing masks when drilling is an absolute rule, but very few people wear gloves.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:38
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A local HEMA group did a few weeks of a longsword class at my club recently and for most of it they were doing drills with plastic blades, against dummies and people, with and without protection. The instructors brought out metal weapons for the last class. Seemed like a pretty good way to go about it.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:45
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Siivola posted:I'm starting to think our club does things super weird when we just hand newcomers steel blunts, go "okay so rule #1 is everyone leaves healthier than they came in" and have them doing controlled pair drills by the end of their first class. Wearing masks when drilling is an absolute rule, but very few people wear gloves. We usually start beginners with wood. Doubly so because they usually cannot use a steel sword for a whole lesson (its just too heavy).
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Jun 30, 2015 21:57
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thewireguy posted:Oh, mistakes definitely make a quicker impression that drilling. Take that from a newbie. No they don't. Take that from an instructor 
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Jun 30, 2015 23:02
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ImplicitAssembler posted:No they don't. Take that from an instructor Don't get me wrong, I understand getting the fundamentals down first, I have done several martial arts. But getting your knuckles rapped is a big deterrent. You don't know why you are doing what you are doing at first. Pain is a great teacher.
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thewireguy posted:Don't get me wrong, I understand getting the fundamentals down first, I have done several martial arts. But getting your knuckles rapped is a big deterrent. You don't know why you are doing what you are doing at first. Pain is a great teacher. Pain can sometimes be a useful aid, but your time is much better spent doing drills. There's a reason that virtually every single martial art spend the majority of the time doing drills.
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Holy poo poo, they want 100 to 2,300 bucks for the art of combat by Joachim Meyers.
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