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I don't see an obvious breadcrumb from 8$ over who he jailed n1.
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Propaganda Machine posted:Fast Luck, why are you putting stock into the mafia quit wager? It was D1 shitposting.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:10
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Fast Luck posted:Do you think taste would renege on a promise? I do not. it's not a useful thing to focus on and yeah he would.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:13
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Pinterest Mom posted:look at how much effort he's making at justifying his behaviour (and generally how much he's stretched himself to push narratives this game). scumbo.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:13
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Pinterest Mom posted:it's not a useful thing to focus on and yeah he would.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:15
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Pinterest Mom posted:look at how much effort he's making at justifying his behaviour (and generally how much he's stretched himself to push narratives this game). scumbo. Yeah, I just don't understand any of the first paragraph. Why is a fake toxx scummy? Why does an exacerbated claim clear Narc? I don't like any of it.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:15
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Propaganda Machine posted:Yeah, I just don't understand any of the first paragraph. Why is a fake toxx scummy? Why does an exacerbated claim clear Narc? I don't like any of it.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:17
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Fast Luck posted:I said it made me think he was NOT scum. It felt "dirty" as in toxxes are against the rules. You're missing the point. I'm asking why it's anything but a null read.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:19
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And you changed your mind on it because Narc claimed to investigate imgay? I still think she's lying, but whatever. ##vote fast luck
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Jul 3, 2015 18:19
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Because I believed it. Taste is very much a guy of his word or at least that's my impression of him. If he were scum, he would know KB was town, and therefore he'd be making a bet to quit mafia forever that he'd know he was going to lose. Also I don't think Narc is cleared, just that if I believed her last night I am not sure whether I should stop believing her now.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:20
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Propaganda Machine posted:And you changed your mind on it because Narc claimed to investigate imgay? I still think she's lying, but whatever.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:21
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Fast Luck posted:Because I believed it. Taste is very much a guy of his word or at least that's my impression of him. If he were scum, he would know KB was town, and therefore he'd be making a bet to quit mafia forever that he'd know he was going to lose. I just...this...  Taste is a good mafia player, and it worries me that you seem to be taking things at face value. Narc worries me because all she's doing is vociferously defending herself. She knows how bad she looks right now, and there's good reason for it. I'd like to see her say anything other than her town tracker claim.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:28
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Anyone who is voting me or thinks I'm scum after yesterday - what would I possibly stand to gain as scum by making this move? Taste was not such a huge power role that if I were scum I would have felt threatened by him. I called him out on his claim bc I, as a 2nd town tracker, thought a 3rd town tracker in this setup was very unlikely and that he was lying scum. If I were scum I know that taste was town and likely was telling the truth. Why would I call attention to myself? It just isn't logical.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:34
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:Anyone who is voting me or thinks I'm scum after yesterday - what would I possibly stand to gain as scum by making this move? Taste was not such a huge power role that if I were scum I would have felt threatened by him. I called him out on his claim bc I, as a 2nd town tracker, thought a 3rd town tracker in this setup was very unlikely and that he was lying scum. You could gain everything as scum by making this move. Sure, you may take some heat, but you can (and are) sitting there going 'BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!!!!!!" in an effort to distract everyone from the fact that you could be scum. It could also be a way to possibly take a bullet for your scumbros. Taste is on to you, so you claim the exact same role as Taste and then say "well, if he flips town, then you can just lynch me tomorrow" and then if the votes do get put on you, your scumbros can jump on the bus as well and then say "But we voted for her, so we can't be scum!"
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Jul 3, 2015 18:44
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And then what happens after that lynch when I flip town? This is a dumb argument that also makes more sense. Also Taste wasn't "onto me." I called him out as soon as he made that claim and was consistent about my beliefs that he was lying.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:48
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ANarc still strikes me as being sincere. But I have no clue now who's lying. If I assume Narc is telling the truth that makes Imgay likely town. This game has felt very weird to me the whole way through. Could there be no scum other than a SK? Anarc's action could have been foiled by a second jailer? It's probably nonsense, but I felt I had to share the feeling.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:58
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Who'd you try to track Narc?
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Jul 3, 2015 19:01
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Last night I tried to track Pmach
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Jul 3, 2015 19:11
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TMMadman posted:Also, since there hasn't been a second night kill for two days in a row, should we now assume that there is no SK? What's the likelihood that an SK was jailed/RBed randomly two days in a row? Why do you assume it's the SK failing to kill? How do you know it's not the Mafia hitting Doctor/Jail targets? How do you know it's not been a combination of the Mafia and SK missing out on a kill over the past two nights?
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Jul 3, 2015 19:24
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Met posted:Why do you assume it's the SK failing to kill? How do you know it's not the Mafia hitting Doctor/Jail targets? How do you know it's not been a combination of the Mafia and SK missing out on a kill over the past two nights? I don't and that's why I'm asking. I don't know all the possibilities that can happen because I am completely new to Mafia.
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Jul 3, 2015 19:26
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:Last night I tried to track Pmach ...why?
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Jul 3, 2015 19:27
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Allen Wren posted:...why? She seemed very fickle about the case on Taste. First she was all for it, but then once it started gaining ground, she backed off. Maybe bc she knew he would flip town and she didn't want to be on that vote. Just a gut feeling I got from her posting.
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Jul 3, 2015 19:39
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I lost confidence when you came in with the tracker claim. Of the two of you, I thought you were more likely to be lying, and I would still very, very gladly vote for you, but Fast Luck is looking even worse right now. I'm still waiting for you to make a post that isn't defensive.
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Jul 3, 2015 19:44
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:And then what happens after that lynch when I flip town? This is a dumb argument that also makes more sense. Also Taste wasn't "onto me." I called him out as soon as he made that claim and was consistent about my beliefs that he was lying. This feels very insincere to me. Anyone in your position is going to say "What happens when I flip town?" And calling someone out who roleclaims on D2 seems like fairly standard behavior. I'm think pretty much everyone said they weren't sure if they believed Tastes claim.
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Jul 3, 2015 19:51
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Oh, fair enough, then. Weirdly, I'm more inclined to believe Anon's roleclaim after taste's, for this reason - one tracker is basic, two trackers becomes confusing design, but three trackers becomes ~ a theme ~.
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Jul 3, 2015 20:00
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Allen Wren posted:Oh, fair enough, then. Does that mean you think most of the roles are in threes?
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Jul 3, 2015 20:45
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garthoneeye posted:Does that mean you think most of the roles are in threes? I honestly hadn't thought of that, but it's certainly worth exploring as a concept (not, like, to the point of ignoring core gameplay concepts like 'wow that guy seems pretty full of poo poo'). My initial thought was something more like "we've got a shitload of trackers and jailers and no cops/docs"
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Jul 3, 2015 21:05
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garthoneeye posted:Does that mean you think most of the roles are in threes? We know that PMush was vanilla town, KB and Taste were town trackers and 8bux was a town jailer. But we also know that not every role listed by MMM will be in the game. We started with 17 people and I think we can safely assume that there can't be more than 5 bad guys total between scum/SK. So right now that leaves us with 13 people left and probably between 3-5 bad guys. For assumptions sake, I'll say no SK and max scum which means there are only 8 town people alive right now. So if we are to believe that ANarc is a third tracker, then that would mean there are two other jailers and two other vanilla town people. So that leaves us with 3 people with a different role. And what would that make the scum team if there are 5? 1 Godfather, 3 RBs, one vanilla? That seems like a strange set up.
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Jul 3, 2015 21:19
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Although, if there are no cops in the game, then there wouldn't really need to be a Godfather either. I mean the only advantage the Godfather has is that he reveals as NOT SCUM to a cop right?
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Jul 3, 2015 21:22
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TMMadman posted:That seems like a strange set up. Welcome to Mafia.
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Jul 3, 2015 21:23
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TMMadman posted:Although, if there are no cops in the game, then there wouldn't really need to be a Godfather either. I mean the only advantage the Godfather has is that he reveals as NOT SCUM to a cop right? That is an accurate summation of the Godfather, but speculating that granularly about the setup is often not helpful; there are plenty of games where the setup will include things that may not be helpful (i.e., a godfather in a no-cop game, notes about how one's role interacts with recruiters when there is no cult, etc.) to prevent speculation.
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Jul 3, 2015 21:26
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I'm going to talk about Met. Almost everything he has provided so far has been unhelpful. Early on: Family Feud, HiipFire policy vote. A bit later... He does a  at PMush's case on Madman, but then votes PMush in a separate post after someone else does it first. Why didn't he just vote in the first post? He didn't want to start the wrong lynch bandwagon but he was eager to hop on it.Met posted:To a new guy! Met posted:Whoa man, is that necessary? Ease up. Also, this chart he made: Met posted:I really don't believe the Tracker claim. Finally, despite how aggressive Taste was being, it is true that Taste was right about people not considering him scum, and Met kept running from it. Also, he was so upset at Taste that I don't think he'd have returned to the game unless he was scum and had to for the scum team. ##vote Met
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Jul 3, 2015 21:27
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Allen Wren posted:That is an accurate summation of the Godfather, but speculating that granularly about the setup is often not helpful; there are plenty of games where the setup will include things that may not be helpful (i.e., a godfather in a no-cop game, notes about how one's role interacts with recruiters when there is no cult, etc.) to prevent speculation. Yeah I get it, I'm not really trying to draw any conclusions from trying to figure out the setup.
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Jul 3, 2015 21:28
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TMMadman posted:We know that PMush was vanilla town, KB and Taste were town trackers and 8bux was a town jailer. But we also know that not every role listed by MMM will be in the game. We started with 17 people and I think we can safely assume that there can't be more than 5 bad guys total between scum/SK. So right now that leaves us with 13 people left and probably between 3-5 bad guys. For assumptions sake, I'll say no SK and max scum which means there are only 8 town people alive right now. There are not five scum in a seventeen player game. This entire post is empty setup spec, and it fits right in with the massive volumes of emptyposting and content lurking that TMM has been doing all game. ##vote TMMadman
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Jul 3, 2015 21:30
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EXAKT Science posted:There are not five scum in a seventeen player game. This entire post is empty setup spec, and it fits right in with the massive volumes of emptyposting and content lurking that TMM has been doing all game. This is the third time you have voted for me for no real good reason. The first was when I responded to you bolding WOLF in SWOLFIA with a picture of Wolf from American Gladiators, the second was when I called you out about choosing the heel version of Hulk Hogan for your self-imposed flavor and now you're saying that I have been empty posting and content lurking. It seems really defensive and weird.
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Jul 3, 2015 21:32
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Also, I'd like to point out that EXAKT was the hammer on PMush and the 7th vote on Taste (possibly expecting the hammer to quickly?)
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Jul 3, 2015 21:46
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Yeah, why would you vote on setup spec from a first time player? He's still learning the ropes.
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Jul 3, 2015 21:58
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Propaganda Machine posted:Yeah, why would you vote on setup spec from a first time player? He's still learning the ropes. Also, it's a direct reply to garth asking if most of the roles are in threes. So either way, I don't think it's empty setup speculation.
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Jul 3, 2015 22:02
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Propaganda Machine posted:Yeah, why would you vote on setup spec from a first time player? He's still learning the ropes. That's not why I'm voting him. I'm voting him for content lurking.
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EXAKT Science posted:That's not why I'm voting him. I'm voting him for content lurking. I don't see how you can say I'm content lurking.
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