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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Thanks Microsoft. Welp, hopefully this gets addressed soon.
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Alereon posted:The major issue is reliability and longevity, a power supply that could put out 550W when new isn't going to be able to do that when it's a few years old. Really makes me wonder about these high end PSU's that have 5-7yr warranties and what they actually cover if you try to claim them near end of the warranty period.
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I keep seeing reviews for the 390X positioned against the 980/980Ti. While the marketing levels would indicate that's a good matchup, it's not, because the price points are too dissimilar. (Also, the AMD cards get thrashed repeatedly that way.  )Really, they should be benchmarking the 390X against the 970, where it's ~$50 cheaper.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:The old rule of thumb I remember is they lose 30% of their listed power delivery capacity after 5 yr and 50% after 7yr. The problem is mostly the capacitors IIRC. Alereon fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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SwissArmyDruid posted:I keep seeing reviews for the 390X positioned against the 980/980Ti. While the marketing levels would indicate that's a good matchup, it's not, because the price points are too dissimilar. (Also, the AMD cards get thrashed repeatedly that way. Nvidia has some glaring price/perf gaps in it's line up AMD should be trying to occupy, not trying to pretend a
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FaustianQ posted:Nvidia has some glaring price/perf gaps in it's line up AMD should be trying to occupy, not trying to pretend a -380x except Apple is getting all of those oops -Nano if it's priced similar to the 980 Everything lower is pretty much "whatever" right now and probably won't change much until the 14nm shrink happens.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:The only real places they could really compete: How do the Nano and non-X Fury not cannibalize each other?
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:The only real places they could really compete: Eh, Fury X @ 550, Fury @ 500 and Nano @ 450 would be solid.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:How do the Nano and non-X Fury not cannibalize each other? I'm kind of hoping that the Nano actually is an even worse-binned Fiji card mostly because it would be cheaper than "slightly less than Fury Pro" and not cannibalize the Fury Pro. FaustianQ posted:Eh, Fury X @ 550, Fury @ 500 and Nano @ 450 would be solid.
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Is the 980ti the only GPU out right now that can do hardware HEVC encoding? Edit: Of course, I don't see that there's any software than can actually enable it yet, but it's the only card that even has the potential to haave h.265 output for streams or Shadowplay? Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Zero VGS posted:Is the 980ti the only GPU out right now that can do hardware HEVC encoding? It's pretty complicated, actually the GTX 960 is the only card you'd want if you did anything hardware accelerated in the HEVC area. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo#Feature_Set_F Of course you also need software that supports NVENC v5.0 I'm sure there's a huge nerd thread on doom9 on how terrible the encoding quality is compared to x265, and other stuff 
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Finally sat down and did actual OC stress/limit testing on my MSI 970. Really impressed. Stable up to 1580mhz (+200 core) and 8ghz (+500 mem) without touching voltage. It didn't start crashing or anything just artifacts as soon as I push anything past +200 core. Also not at all limited by temp for anyone else not familiar with these. OC barely drives the temps up. Was probably like 60C at factory speed and 62-64 with that OC. It also wasn't hitting max tdp much either. Anyways, now I'm interested in really testing the card's limit for curiosity / posterity's sake. What exactly causes the limit of the clocks when temps/power aren't the issue? Can I push this any higher with voltage / power mods?
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SwissArmyDruid posted:I keep seeing reviews for the 390X positioned against the 980/980Ti. While the marketing levels would indicate that's a good matchup, it's not, because the price points are too dissimilar. (Also, the AMD cards get thrashed repeatedly that way. Must be highly market dependent. Over here in NZ the cheapest 390X I can see is $780, 290 is $515, 970 is $540, 980 is $840
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dissss posted:Must be highly market dependent. Over here in NZ the cheapest 390X I can see is $780, 290 is $515, 970 is $540, 980 is $840
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dissss posted:Must be highly market dependent. Over here in NZ the cheapest 390X I can see is $780, 290 is $515, 970 is $540, 980 is $840 You know considering the raw deal you and the Aussies get on electronics that's actually a really good price for a 970. Laughable for the 980/390X ofc.
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sauer kraut posted:It's pretty complicated, actually the GTX 960 is the only card you'd want if you did anything hardware accelerated in the HEVC area.  The 960 being good for SOMETHING?sold!!
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:
Careful, from what I gather the 960 only DEcodes. The 970+ ENcode as well.
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cat doter posted:You mean $1100 isn't a good price for the 980ti?!?!?!? Ya, but don't you folks down in OZ have free healthcare and an actual decent living wage compared to those of us in the "Land of the Free". Also, now that I'm back on SLI 980s, I feel like buying the Titan-X was a good decision. Well besides the fact that I haven't been able to sell my 980s and my Titan-x dying, but it definitely performs better than SLI at 7880x1440.
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Riso posted:Careful, from what I gather the 960 only DEcodes. The 970+ ENcode as well. The 960 is just awful, any 280 or higher is better price/perf, and the 750ti and R7 250X dominate any low end use scenario while being better priced for performance. Yet people buy it anyway, likely to replace it in less than 12 months.
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Riso posted:Careful, from what I gather the 960 only DEcodes. The 970+ ENcode as well. Got a source for your gathering? According to Wikipedia the NVENC has the same function in all Maxwell 2nd generation chips. FaustianQ posted:The 960 is just awful, any 280 or higher is better price/perf, and the 750ti and R7 250X dominate any low end use scenario while being better priced for performance. Yet people buy it anyway, likely to replace it in less than 12 months. GTX 960 is the fastest <150 W card so it can work in machines which only have one 6-pin power plug. In faster-than-Intel-HD-Graphics news, Nvidia is preparing to release GTX 950, which is on cut-down GM206. I wish they would just stop hoarding the broken GM204's and release a GTX 960 Ti. Rosoboronexport fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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If anyone's in the market, I have put my EVGA 980 Ti SC w/ Hybrid Kit + backplate up on SA-Mart.
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Parker Lewis posted:If anyone's in the market, I have put my EVGA 980 Ti SC w/ Hybrid Kit + backplate up on SA-Mart. Just FYI. The hybrid kit warranty does not transfer.
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Don Lapre posted:Just FYI. The hybrid kit warranty does not transfer. Good to know, thanks!
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Riso posted:http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,4038.html and a bunch of other poo poo I googled. Dunno they say nothing to support their claim, Nvidia's own NVENC developer docs just say 2nd generation maxwell and 3rd party encoders support 4k h265 on GM206.
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Rosoboronexport posted:Dunno they say nothing to support their claim, Nvidia's own NVENC developer docs just say 2nd generation maxwell and 3rd party encoders support 4k h265 on GM206. It could be partially hardware accelerated, meaning faster encodes but still nowhere near real time. I think that's the status for Skylake's Quicksync as well, and Kaby Lake will bring full hardware H.265 encode.
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Rosoboronexport posted:GTX 960 is the fastest <150 W card so it can work in machines which only have one 6-pin power plug. And for 50% more you could get a 290 and a non-firecracker psu. When you get better performance per dollar by buying a new psu and a different card, it's overpriced.
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Twerk from Home posted:It could be partially hardware accelerated, meaning faster encodes but still nowhere near real time. I think that's the status for Skylake's Quicksync as well, and Kaby Lake will bring full hardware H.265 encode. Partial hardware acceleration is usually attributed to decoding only because it's easier to implement as you only need to do 30 fps. Because encoding is done usually by a hardware component on the GPU, video cards either support the hardware accelerated encoding or not. xthetenth posted:And for 50% more you could get a 290 and a non-firecracker psu. You might only have $200 and some special-snowflake PC case which has an exotic PSU. In that case if you want to play GTA V on 1080p without going over the budget. Rosoboronexport fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Rosoboronexport posted:You might only have $200 and some special-snowflake PC case which has an exotic PSU. In that case if you want to play GTA V on 1080p without going over the budget. Until they make a low profile GTX 960 it's kind of not good for those exotics. I'd suggest waiting for the 750ti refresh/replacement in the form of the 950ti for exotic builds that are going to be better than and more value than the 960. Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Radeon R9 Fury (non-X) cards with third-party cooling solutions look to be on schedule: http://videocardz.com/57078/exclusive-sapphire-radeon-r9-fury-pictured-specifications-confirmed
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Rosoboronexport posted:GTX 960 is the fastest <150 W card so it can work in machines which only have one 6-pin power plug. Rosoboronexport posted:You might only have $200 and some special-snowflake PC case which has an exotic PSU. In that case if you want to play GTA V on 1080p without going over the budget. Sorry, the GTX 960 being for special snowflake circumstances does not a good value make. If you only have 200$, then wait and maybe not gently caress yourself over? Also almost all exotic PSUs are in slim cases, where the 960 has no low profile variant. Standard size m/ATX cases should fit virtually any card except in edge cases which are well beyond even a 350$ budget.
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FaustianQ posted:Sorry, the GTX 960 being for special snowflake circumstances does not a good value make. If you only have 200$, then wait and maybe not gently caress yourself over? Also almost all exotic PSUs are in slim cases, where the 960 has no low profile variant. Standard size m/ATX cases should fit virtually any card except in edge cases which are well beyond even a 350$ budget. More than that, a card that's only good in extremely contrived situations rather than only somewhat contrived shouldn't be incredibly popular by definition, but here we are.
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FaustianQ posted:Sorry, the GTX 960 being for special snowflake circumstances does not a good value make. If you only have 200$, then wait and maybe not gently caress yourself over? Yes this thread is well known for its "wait and maybe not gently caress itself over" determination. Anime Schoolgirl posted:I'd suggest waiting for the 750ti refresh/replacement in the form of the 950ti for exotic builds that are going to be better than and more value than the 960. I'm not trying to justfificate GTX 960 to buy it. THE DOG HOUSE posted:If you only have $200 to spend you only have $200 to spend lol This was my point in all this. There is nothing between $200 and $300, there could be the GTX 960 Ti if Nvidia would be interested in selling GM204 under $300 (which they did not do with Keplers either). GTX 960 could be cheaper and does not cater to enthusiasts but it can run current games well.  
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:If you only have $200 to spend you only have $200 to spend lol Yet you'll definitely spend more in the longterm if you buy a 960. The 960 is entirely edge case and almost obsolete already, even a 280 3GB is going to have higher longevity despite tessellation performance. This is why a 380X or 960 ti would be a real seller, a 380X with 6GB or a 960ti with 4GB is a good value, both for term investment and price/perf. But that's here nor now and the 960 is an awful compromise value.
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FaustianQ posted:Yet you'll definitely spend more in the longterm if you buy a 960. The 960 is entirely edge case and almost obsolete already, even a 280 3GB is going to have higher longevity despite tessellation performance. I'm not trying to rock the boat here but if you only wanted to spend $200 on the card, and wanted a 960, I doubt its going to cost that person more in the long run. Because they will just turn the settings down instead of buying a new card
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FaustianQ posted:This is why a 380X or 960 ti would be a real seller, a 380X with 6GB or a 960ti with 4GB is a good value, both for term investment and price/perf. But that's here nor now and the 960 is an awful compromise value. If AMD would release a full Tonga with 6 GB memory (385X) Nvidia would probably counter with the 960 Ti. Come on Nvidia, get rid of some broken GM204's, remove 1 64 bit-memory bus and do the same 192/64-bit memory shuffle as with GTX 660 / 660Ti, sell the 4 GB model for $240-260 and I'll buy one for my Core 2 Quad build! Riso posted:At this point I think the 960's purpose is to make the 970 look ever better and drive sales there. That's how I see it as well. GM204 and Hawaii are both ~400 mm^2 chips so there is also financial incentive to keep the prices high. Though Nvidia is making a lot of more money on each GTX 960 sold than AMD is doing with 380X. THE DOG HOUSE posted:I'm not trying to rock the boat here but if you only wanted to spend $200 on the card, and wanted a 960, I doubt its going to cost that person more in the long run. Because they will just turn the settings down instead of buying a new card Agreed. Rosoboronexport fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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