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Old chart had Alasdair on it, so it's already superior.
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Chart makes JakeP mad. Chart is a good chart.
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Jul 7, 2015 14:44
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CCKeane posted:Chart makes JakeP mad. i hate it
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Jul 7, 2015 14:45
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This is tearing us achart
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Jul 7, 2015 14:50
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thank you for the much needed levity
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Jul 7, 2015 14:51
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I made it to Master Guardian I in Counter-Strike, friends!
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Jul 7, 2015 14:57
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JakeP posted:charts bad, the axes don't even have anything to do with mafia, and aren't even equal things. Emotional play is a hindrance to good mafia play, whereas intellectual thinking is absolutely a stronger trait to have in a well rounded mafia game. Positive and Negative have nothing to do with mafia ability at all, and is just a weird thing to rate, especially since it is irrelevant. I strongly disagree with you that emotional play is a hindrance to good play while intellectual play is a plus. My big issue with the chart is that emotional play and intellectual play are not opposing play styles.
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Jul 7, 2015 14:59
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Dr. Hurt posted:This is tearing us achart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plz-bhcHryc
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Jul 7, 2015 15:01
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JakeP posted:charts bad, the axes don't even have anything to do with mafia, and aren't even equal things. Emotional play is a hindrance to good mafia play, whereas intellectual thinking is absolutely a stronger trait to have in a well rounded mafia game. Positive and Negative have nothing to do with mafia ability at all, and is just a weird thing to rate, especially since it is irrelevant. You can make your own chart!
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Jul 7, 2015 15:02
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I would make a chart but everybody would be in the lower left quadrant.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:07
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:I strongly disagree with you that emotional play is a hindrance to good play while intellectual play is a plus. My big issue with the chart is that emotional play and intellectual play are not opposing play styles. Maybe? I look at it as if it is saying you make decisions with your head, or you make decisions because you are mad/sad/whatever, where making decisions with your head is what you should do because mafia is a thinking game, and making emotional decisions is bad because that isn't how you play mafia. Sure playing emotionally can be good for making people realize you are town, but that can all be faked. Making emotional decisions in mafia is bad making intelectual decisions is good.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:08
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Pinterest Mom posted:You can make your own chart! I personally think charts are stupid, circle-jerky, and bound to upset people so I don't see the point.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:10
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this thread is stupid and circle jerky, who cares
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Jul 7, 2015 15:11
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JakeP posted:Maybe? I look at it as if it is saying you make decisions with your head, or you make decisions because you are mad/sad/whatever, where making decisions with your head is what you should do because mafia is a thinking game, and making emotional decisions is bad because that isn't how you play mafia. Sure playing emotionally can be good for making people realize you are town, but that can all be faked. Making emotional decisions in mafia is bad making intelectual decisions is good. Nah dude, gut calls definitely have a place in mafia, it is a social game and going 100% BEEP boop robot loses a lot.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:12
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Tremendous Taste posted:this thread is stupid and circle jerky, who cares i dont disagree with that but im not going to make a chart about it, and I will call all other charts stupid unless they rate me as the golden god of mafia
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Jul 7, 2015 15:12
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CCKeane posted:Nah dude, gut calls definitely have a place in mafia, it is a social game and going 100% BEEP boop robot loses a lot. gut feelings aren't emotions
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Jul 7, 2015 15:13
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JakeP posted:I personally think charts are stupid, circle-jerky, and bound to upset people so I don't see the point. You seem to be the only one that's upset by a chart.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:13
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Also I like that I am on the old chart but not the new one shouts out meezy
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Jul 7, 2015 15:14
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JakeP posted:gut feelings aren't emotions Ah, they probably fall under the aegis of "intellectual behavior"
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Jul 7, 2015 15:17
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CCKeane posted:Ah, they probably fall under the aegis of "intellectual behavior" Of course it would, gut reads are the ability to understand something immediately, without the need for conscious reasoning. Nothing emotional about it
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Jul 7, 2015 15:19
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would you be more comfortable if "intellectual" were relabelled "beep boop logic bot"
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Jul 7, 2015 15:21
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JakeP posted:Maybe? I look at it as if it is saying you make decisions with your head, or you make decisions because you are mad/sad/whatever, where making decisions with your head is what you should do because mafia is a thinking game, and making emotional decisions is bad because that isn't how you play mafia. Sure playing emotionally can be good for making people realize you are town, but that can all be faked. Making emotional decisions in mafia is bad making intelectual decisions is good. I think that's a one sided view of emotional. Being able to read the game emotionally is important because you can figure a lot of stuff out about people's motivations and stuff. The classic emotional player is yuming and she's renowned for her ability to read players. Intellectual thinking has its place as well but I don't think it's strictly better. People often out think themselves or do weird stuff based on trying to logic things out.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:21
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mafia is not about logic and thinking because people arent logical and dont think when playing mafia. mafia is all about feeling.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:24
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JakeP posted:Of course it would, gut reads are the ability to understand something immediately, without the need for conscious reasoning. Nothing emotional about it Well when I get upset it is because I am able to understand that I was wronged immediately, without the need for conscious reasoning. This is why getting upset is intellectual behavior.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:26
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Perhaps feeling/thinking would be better words here
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Jul 7, 2015 15:27
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CCKeane posted:Well when I get upset it is because I am able to understand that I was wronged immediately, without the need for conscious reasoning.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:28
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I just look at reading emotions/motivations is an intellectual thing, not an emotional thing. I mean if we are going to call that emotional then what is actually intellectual about mafia? I guess it goes back to what MMM said that the 2 things aren't related
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Jul 7, 2015 15:28
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i mean i guess if what you mean by 'intellectual' is 'something done with the brain' then okay
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Jul 7, 2015 15:29
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Yeah I don't think it's a duality. As an example the more emotionally invested and worked up I get in a mafia game, the easier it becomes for me to hash out the logic of the game
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Jul 7, 2015 15:30
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:Perhaps feeling/thinking would be better words here That's a perceptive point, made without judgment.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:31
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JakeP posted:I just look at reading emotions/motivations is an intellectual thing, not an emotional thing. I mean if we are going to call that emotional then what is actually intellectual about mafia? You can make a divide from someone who plays and goes "well if this is true then this behavior is strange and thus..." And somebody who shoots from the hip and says "there's something weird here, I don't like how JakeP posted this, it hits me weird..."
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Jul 7, 2015 15:32
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uranus posted:i mean i guess if what you mean by 'intellectual' is 'something done with the brain' then okay Just using the definition of intellect: the faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively, especially with regard to abstract or academic matters; the understanding or mental powers of a particular person
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Jul 7, 2015 15:33
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CCKeane posted:That's a perceptive point, made without judgment. 
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Jul 7, 2015 15:34
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check your facebook j
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Jul 7, 2015 15:35
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CCKeane posted:That's a perceptive point, made without judgment. It's just where my intuition pointed me,but I know some people would sense something wrong with it.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:35
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Chicago is better than New York.
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Jul 7, 2015 15:36
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Ah the second city
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Jul 7, 2015 15:36
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merk posted:Chicago is better than New York. In a sense
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Jul 7, 2015 15:39
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merk posted:Chicago is better than New York. They make a good cassarole.
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I hate New York
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