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Could it be broken up like Dancing With The Stars etc? 1 hour main match episode, and then the next day a 30 minute long elimination episode?
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Yeah, two hour shows don't really exist in the U.S., and it'd be pretty lame to have one episode of main match and one episode of death match. I've already given up on getting anything even remotely similar to the Genius in the U.S. If you can make a hit game show based on opening up random briefcases, then you don't even really need to put in the effort to get this kind of show made. Plus most game shows are trivia based and not game theory/social management focused. The closest analogue to the Genius I can think of off the top of my head is the Mole, which had pale imitations of Genius games carried out by a group living together in a reality situation, but with one person as a permanent traitor who was selected by the producers to try to sabotage the games while maintaining their cover. That had a somewhat decent run (4 or 5 seasons maybe), but it wasn't quite the same. The only English speaking area I could see doing a Genius-style show is the U.K., but again I think we'll have to be content with this rad show. Of course, T.V. producers are always scrounging around for an idea to steal, so I wouldn't say it's impossible. GaussianCopula posted:The format is not "fast" enough for the typical US timeslot. You only have ~40min for Main Game and Death Match. Yeah, and to that point every almost game show or reality show I've ever seen is about either a series of small choices (what briefcase do I choose, what's the capital of Alabama cmon hurry hurry!) or a broader challenge that lasts 5-10 minutes like in Survivor or Big Brother. Amazing Race probably goes the longest with the massive travel time and longer than usual games, but I just don't see reality show people being okay with games that always take at least an hour to play. Though again, if you want to keep the glimmer of hope alive, shows like Survivor and Amazing race create a completely ridiculous amount of footage that has to be edited down and run for longer than the Genius does, so we have the technology and skill to edit down long games, just maybe not the will. NowonSA fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Jul 7, 2015 16:42
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Frankly I think the personalities of American tv would be the main downfall. I can't imagine US reality/game show contestants having the same charm as Sangmin, Dongmin, or Jinho. For me that charm is one of the best things about the show. I imagine most American contestants would be over the top attention seekers like Hongchul or just complete jerks like Jiwon. The lighthearted nature of the Genius would be something difficult to keep in an American adaptation.
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Jul 7, 2015 16:45
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I think a Western version would lose a lot of the charm.
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Jul 7, 2015 16:46
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There was a press release about The Genius rights being licensed to the Netherlands, and since then, it's been sold to Australia, I think? http://translate.google.com/translate?act=url&u=http://program.interest.me/tvn/thegenius2/21/Board/View%3Fb_seq%3D47
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Jul 7, 2015 16:46
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Yeah, there's also the issue of most of the contestants being either some degree of celebrity or just applicants who seem highly qualified (like Hyunmin). I can't remember a show that ever mixed celebrities of any level with normal people. They must have happened, but it's drat rare. In the U.S. we'd be drawing on literally six times the population of South Korea and our entertainment industry is even more developed (entertainment is our only true export in my opinion, after all), so I'm not too concerned with the ability to find good contestants. Swap out announcers for T.V. stars, Seoul University students/alumni for Harvard or other Ivy League alumni, grab a comedian or two, and away you go. Ultimately in my mind it's not an issue of not having the talent or ability, it's an issue of people not willing to take a risk on the show and the very high probability that the U.S. in general would not watch it. We'd have to scale everything up as well, I'm sure reality show makers dream of being able to set up a five room stage and 20 cameras while only awarding around $70k in prize money, but that doesn't really work when we're used to watching reality drama in various mansions and exotic locales while playing for a million dollars.
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Jul 7, 2015 16:58
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Wil Wheaton as producer/Bandage Oppa (he has lots of ties to board game companies who'd surely be game to consult for and possibly even sponsor games). Invitations extended to Patton Oswalt. Someone from the MIT blackjack team. I dunno, Frank Abagnale Jr or something. Dark horses: some random MSNBC anchor, and someone from One Direction or whatever the popular boy band is these days.
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Jul 7, 2015 17:12
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BBC America does 75 minute timeslots for Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell, so there's precedent for weird foreign shows getting weird foreign timeslot lengths. Even if that's just commercial based.
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One thing that nags on me a little is how the whole celebrity v non-celebrity contestant thing works. I don't know of any show here in the UK where celebrities and normal people compete against one another. Celebrity versions of TV shows are always separate from the civvie versions, the celebrity contestants usually get some sort of fee for appearing, and the winnings always go to charity. I think the idea of a celebrity playing for actual cash for themselves could rub people the wrong way here, but even if they were playing for charity, the idea of effectively forcing the civilians to play against charity also seems kinda weird. I vaguely remember some early season chat about some contestants possibly donating their winnings but nothing certain. Is it just a cultural thing? Are celebrities not held up in as (weirdly, I think) high esteem as here, and the idea of them just keeping The Money is OK?
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It's Tuesday, and there's 15 new posts in The Genius thread! That can only mean one thing! ...oh  Regarding the US version, it's really just a matter of casting the right people. If you go with normal Americans, I'm guessing you'd be able to find 13 who are more happy-go-lucky fun contestants rather than cutthroat horrible people. King of the Nerds was more of a upbeat show than a cutthroat competition, and it worked, so the people are out there. It's just a matter of finding them. If you go the celebrity route I'm guessing it wouldn't be difficult to find the right people; Penn Gillette, Ken Jennings, etc. would probably fit right into the atmosphere the show should go for. I don't think casting is the real issue. To me, the potential issues of a US version would be:
Argue posted:some random MSNBC anchor Brian Williams. He seems to have a sense of humor and is a known liar MisterZimbu fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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I think it also helps that they just go back to whatever they are doing in their life and only come to the set when they have to film. A situation where players in America need to live together or sit in an isolated hotel suite for however long they are on the show would probably do damage to how they interact with each other.
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Argue posted:Wil Wheaton as producer/Bandage Oppa (he has lots of ties to board game companies who'd surely be game to consult for and possibly even sponsor games). Invitations extended to Patton Oswalt. Someone from the MIT blackjack team. I dunno, Frank Abagnale Jr or something. Dark horses: some random MSNBC anchor, and someone from One Direction or whatever the popular boy band is these days. Adam Savage, Alton Brown, Andy Richter, Brian Williams, Ke$ha...
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Jul 7, 2015 17:41
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I'm sure Lady Gaga would be entertaining.
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Jul 7, 2015 17:45
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I don't know if anybody here saw the The Quest, but its the only only American reality show I've seen where the contestants weren't dicks and for me it made it very watchable. Well that and the dorky roleplaying was fun kind of like Crime Scene  . Unfortunately the ratings were quite bad for it and I don't think it got renewed so yeah American The Genius would have an uphill climb probably. Though again as I've said before I think an UK version could be amazing as cerebral game shows are kind of thing there like Only Connect.
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Flea Wars posted:One thing that nags on me a little is how the whole celebrity v non-celebrity contestant thing works. korean celebs aren't as rich. most of the idols and such live in tiny apartments and sleep on bunkbeds. jinho has a tiny apartment. sangmin had money problems and so on. i'm sure some pledged to donate though
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NowonSA posted:I can't remember a show that ever mixed celebrities of any level with normal people. They must have happened, but it's drat rare. If you don't count previous reality TV contestants as being celebrities, then they do fairly regularly. Lots of the Celebrity shows have one contestant who's only famous for being on other shows.
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Jul 7, 2015 18:56
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Suspicious Dish posted:There was a press release about The Genius rights being licensed to the Netherlands, and since then, it's been sold to Australia, I think? Yeah, I was going to say that Australia would be really well-equipped for this. Their Masterchef has two-hour timeslots sometimes, and the contestants are generally smart, charming, and they get along well with each other. If there's actually Australian Genius in the pipeline, it's something to be stoked about.
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Jul 7, 2015 18:58
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I don't even think that you would need celebs for an international version.
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Jul 7, 2015 19:02
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Somebody just send a link to the Genius to Wil Wheaton or Felicia Day. They could probably pull off a budget production and just have a giant prize package filled with geek stuff instead of money. They'll probably play harder to win an Iron Throne or some equally nerdy trophy piece.
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Jul 7, 2015 19:06
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that would be a bad show to watch
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Jul 7, 2015 19:10
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basically if nerds created the genius it would be this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgfpBO4Tb5o
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Jul 7, 2015 19:12
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Suspicious Dish posted:basically if nerds created the genius it would be this Geek & Sundry has some shred of dignity, Machinima hasn't had any for a long, long time. They based a show around Tommy Wiseau after all.
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GaussianCopula posted:I don't even think that you would need celebs for an international version. Pretty much this. Id have to imagine a US version would be people living in a house, and not people coming each week to play, and I also have to imagine the show wouldn't begin airing while it is still filming.
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GaussianCopula posted:I don't even think that you would need celebs for an international version. If an international version used normal reality show recruiting, they'd get a show filled with assholes and tryhards. A show full of Hweejongs, but not as smart.
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King of the Nerds is probably the closest example and what you'd want to take cues from for a US Genius Game. All you'd need to do is replace the let's players and bronies with more Genius-type jobs. It's not like we have a shortage of poker players who like being on TV, and that's like a quarter of the people who have been on The Genius.
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Maduo posted:King of the Nerds is probably the closest example and what you'd want to take cues from for a US Genius Game. All you'd need to do is replace the let's players and bronies with more Genius-type jobs. It's not like we have a shortage of poker players who like being on TV, and that's like a quarter of the people who have been on The Genius. Oh god that could be an interesting train wreck. Hellmuth would totally be a Yohwan though.
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Jul 7, 2015 21:31
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There will never be a good western/international version of The Genius. Its impossible, I am sorry.
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Maduo posted:King of the Nerds is probably the closest example and what you'd want to take cues from for a US Genius Game. All you'd need to do is replace the let's players and bronies with more Genius-type jobs. It's not like we have a shortage of poker players who like being on TV, and that's like a quarter of the people who have been on The Genius. There's a lot of poker players and professional gamers in America, some of them even have good personalities! In fact, it would be feasible to emulate Korea in terms of casting: put in some professional gamers, three or so "normal" people, a handful of comedians/actors and presto. It's more about how you'd handle production and editing, really. American reality and game shows are cast, written and edited to produce and accentuate dumb conflict. If you push the other way, you're gonna mostly avoid assholes.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:There will never be a good western/international version of The Genius. Correct. The REAL Goobusters posted:Its impossible, I am sorry. Incorrect. Which is why we dream.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:20
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MisterZimbu posted:Correct. But we can only dream, because it is impossible.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:35
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MisterZimbu posted:Correct. This is correct. It is possible, it will just never happen and if it does it won't be a commercial success anyway. Between pro poker players, ex-survivor players, a couple of successful game show contestants, a video game nerd and some internet/podcast people that are "internet famous" and fans of the original you could make a compelling and interesting cast.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:47
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At least in South Korea the idols they have on show were at or near the top of their class. At the very least they didn't drop out in the 7th grade like most of the celebrity types over here that the studios would want to cast.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:56
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Except for, you know, last seasons winner.
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Jul 8, 2015 03:11
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MisterZimbu posted:Correct. I meant if it was made, it would not be good.
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xcore posted:Except for, you know, last seasons winner. Uh Dongmin went to university and is a comedian not an idol.
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susan posted:Adam Savage, Alton Brown, Andy Richter, Brian Williams, Ke$ha... Six people in the same vein as this, the main cast of Friends, Titty God with a translator. Boom, western Genius.
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Jul 8, 2015 08:57
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I think the UK could pull it off it was a lower budget version on BBC 4 or something. Get Victoria Coren, David Mitchell (for the husband/wife combo), Rachael Riley, Stephen Fry, Rob Brydon, some Uni professors and an open casting call for the rest and I'd watch the hell out of that.
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Jul 8, 2015 09:33
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can we please stop writing celebrity fanfiction and making our One True Genius Pairings tia
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Jul 8, 2015 09:37
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Suspicious Dish posted:can we please stop writing celebrity fanfiction and making our One True Genius Pairings tia Let me dream until the next episode comes out.
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A lot of the Korean contestants speak English. Just use those and fill the gaps.
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