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LeeMajors posted:Then again, I want a manual I4 or I6 turbodiesel tractor engine Landcruiser with vinyl seats, so maybe I'm out of touch with the American Consumer™. Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are out of touch. Even if they made exactly what you wanted, would you buy one new off the lot? Probably not. You want a 10 year old one that someone else ate all the depreciation on. Manufacturers need to sell new cars, not provide internet people the used cars they want in 5 to 8 years when they can finally afford them. I don't know what they call it, because it should have a name*, but all the vocal auto "enthusiast" on the internet want certain niche vehicles and swear on their grandma's life there is a huge pent up demand for them. Even when someone does take a chance and brings them here, they don't sell worth a poo poo because these vocal internet auto "enthusiast" don't buy new cars off the lot. They aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is. CTS-V Wagon: Dead GT-R: Sold about 10K units since it came to the US. Total. Not one year, all years. Chevy SS: Selling like crap. E63 AMG Wagon: Special Order only for the US, less than 20 a month sold. The list goes on and on. I don't even know how well the upcoming Focus RS is going to sell to be honest. Lot's of folks say they want a super hot hatch, but when it comes time to write the 35 to 40K check, they get really quiet. F-150 Platinum editions fly off the lot as fast as they come in. *Maybe they should call it the Jalopnik effect or something.
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PBCrunch posted:There's a market for Mercedes G-wagons, so there might be a market for these (with a Lexus badge). That market is tiny, too. They sell maybe a couple thousand a year.
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skipdogg posted:I don't know what they call it, because it should have a name*, but all the vocal auto "enthusiast" on the internet want certain niche vehicles and swear on their grandma's life there is a huge pent up demand for them. Waldo, cuz seriously, where is this guy?
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skipdogg posted:Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are out of touch. Even if they made exactly what you wanted, would you buy one new off the lot? Probably not. You want a 10 year old one that someone else ate all the depreciation on. Manufacturers need to sell new cars, not provide internet people the used cars they want in 5 to 8 years when they can finally afford them. I would buy both the GT-R and the E63 AMG Wagon new off the lot (well, special order with my terrible color choices) if I could afford either. Unfortunately, I cannot (yet).
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skipdogg posted:Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are out of touch. Even if they made exactly what you wanted, would you buy one new off the lot? Probably not. You want a 10 year old one that someone else ate all the depreciation on. Manufacturers need to sell new cars, not provide internet people the used cars they want in 5 to 8 years when they can finally afford them. KillHour posted:I would buy both the GT-R and the E63 AMG Wagon new off the lot (well, special order with my terrible color choices) if I could afford either. Unfortunately, I cannot (yet).
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I just wanted a wagon version of my Optima SX, but since I ended up buying an Optima SX anyway, Kia didn't lose any money and no one learned a lesson. How do I vote with my wallet if no one makes what I want?
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Residency Evil posted:Dare I ask how much? 34k USD. You literally can't afford not to buy one.
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Residency Evil posted:Dare I ask how much? NZ moon dollars:  I wanted to post the troop carrier style, but it doesn't seem to be available in this market anymore (or the wagon either by the looks of it) so it's just the awkward looking ute version For perspective the most expensive one is about $1k more expensive than the cheapest Prado (which is like a less fancy Lexus GX with a diesel engine)
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smooth jazz posted:34k USD. 
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Senpai will surely notice you riding in a 12 cyl Toyota Century. The vehicles' interiors are usually ordered in wool cloth, rather than the leather seen in many luxury cars; leather is not as quiet as cloth when sat upon. White lace curtains are usually installed in the rear window, instead of tinted windows, which are perceived to attract unwarranted attention.      
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If you're riding in a Century, there's probably no pai more sen than yours.
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It's like a Daimler Double-Six but reliable.
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Whiz Palace posted:If you're riding in a Century, there's probably no pai more sen than yours. 2015 Toyota Century: You are the Senpai.
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It kinda looks like a bentley, the lack of oil drippings gave it away as Japanese 
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It's a Japanese Lincoln Town Car, it was even last updated in 1995!
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dissss posted:NZ moon dollars: Weird, we get both styles in Aus so I can't understand why you don't get them. A quick check on the Toyota Australia website suggests it starts at $63k or so here.
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dissss posted:I wanted to post the troop carrier style, i'm imagining a realtively dinky little Land Cruiser cab with an M35 back end stuck on it. Do you mean just a regular SUV body style?
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This style - they actually call it that You get into the passenger area from the rear of the vehicle, and there are benches that run down each side so you can fit a bunch of people back there (somewhat dangerously) Aargh: We used to get the other styles until quite recently - I guess they've fallen foul of some safety regulation that vehicles with trays are exempt from (for the moment)
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CAR magazine quotes Alfa Giulia head designer:quote:‘The V6 is a ground-up build, twin turbos, 90 degree bank' If the angle is correct it is certainly not a derivative of the Pentastar V6. The 90-degree angle is quite unusual for a V6. Usually that happens when you take a V8 and remove two cylinders. I wonder how closely related the Giulia QV V6 engine is to the Ferrari 488 V8: Ferrari 488: Displacement: 3.9 x 6/8 = 2.925 Power: 670 hp x 6/8 = 502.5 Giulia QV: Displacement: 2.9 or 3.0 depending on the source Power: 510 hp
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dissss posted:This style - they actually call it that Enough about the ghost of cardom past, what about the ghost of cardom future... Fuel economy. The regulations for 2035 CAFE requirements make me wonder, are we gonna have a second malaise era where instead of emissions, it's fuel economy that's choking the power out of everything? That's not a problem for Miata fans since power isn't a concern, but what about leadfoots and drag Friar Zucchini fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Friar Zucchini posted:Enough about the ghost of cardom past, what about the ghost of cardom future... Fuel economy. The regulations for 2035 CAFE requirements make me wonder, are we gonna have a second malaise era where instead of emissions, it's fuel economy that's choking the power out of everything? That's not a problem for Miata fans since power isn't a concern, but what about leadfoots and drag The direct effect I've seen from CAFE is that real-world fuel economy is diverging more from rated fuel economy. In the late 90s / early 2000s it seemed like it was pretty easy to get rated fuel economy or better, and from modern cars I've seen a huge shortcoming. My wife's Focus is rated at 26/37 and she gets 24-25 mpg on her commute, my brother in law's truck is rated at 18/23 and he gets 17mpg. Some part of this may be due to speed limit increases near me, or more ethanol in gas, but real world fuel economy definitely hasn't improved as much as rated has.
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skipdogg posted:Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are out of touch. Even if they made exactly what you wanted, would you buy one new off the lot? Probably not. You want a 10 year old one that someone else ate all the depreciation on. Manufacturers need to sell new cars, not provide internet people the used cars they want in 5 to 8 years when they can finally afford them. This is a really good post. I remember when I was 16 I couldn't figure out why anyone buying a new car wouldn't just buy a Civic for 5k and then pour $20k in to make it the sweetest Civic ever. Wonder what 16 year old me would think now. 
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skipdogg posted:I don't even know how well the upcoming Focus RS is going to sell to be honest. Lot's of folks say they want a super hot hatch, but when it comes time to write the 35 to 40K check, they get really quiet. You can look at where Ford is putting their newest, highest tech, and I think best engine to see where the money is: F150s and midsize crossovers. That 2.7 making 325hp/375 tq is an absolutely amazing engine that they should stuff into everything, but it's going into most F150s and the new top-trim Edge because that's their bread and butter. Real transaction price on most of those is ~$40k or more also.
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Twerk from Home posted:The direct effect I've seen from CAFE is that real-world fuel economy is diverging more from rated fuel economy. In the late 90s / early 2000s it seemed like it was pretty easy to get rated fuel economy or better, and from modern cars I've seen a huge shortcoming. My wife's Focus is rated at 26/37 and she gets 24-25 mpg on her commute, my brother in law's truck is rated at 18/23 and he gets 17mpg. Its worth considering that most people have piss poor habits when it comes to when to apply the go pedal, how much should be applied and when to stop and coast while you are coming up to stoplights.
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bull3964 posted:Not till mid 2016 as far as I understand. Well there goes any hope of comparison shopping.
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Friar Zucchini posted:Enough about the ghost of cardom past, what about the ghost of cardom future... Fuel economy. The regulations for 2035 CAFE requirements make me wonder, are we gonna have a second malaise era where instead of emissions, it's fuel economy that's choking the power out of everything? That's not a problem for Miata fans since power isn't a concern, but what about leadfoots and drag I'm guessing there will be enough electric and hybrid cars to offset a few gas performance vehicles by then? I'd expect cars to drop a lot of weight as well, which definitely won't hurt.
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BraveUlysses posted:Its worth considering that most people have piss poor habits when it comes to when to apply the go pedal, how much should be applied and when to stop and coast while you are coming up to stoplights. Not to mention the turbo boost fun factory is inversely proportional to gas mileage. I'm personally incapable of driving a boosted car with out hearing it spool and dump the BOV/BPV. I get between 19-22mpg in my wrx in a relatively smooth commute.
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Sadi posted:Not to mention the turbo boost fun factory is inversely proportional to gas mileage. I'm personally incapable of driving a boosted car with out hearing it spool and dump the BOV/BPV. I get between 19-22mpg in my wrx in a relatively smooth commute. Well, that would explain the truck given that Ford is running 31psi of boost through that 2.7.
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Twerk from Home posted:The direct effect I've seen from CAFE is that real-world fuel economy is diverging more from rated fuel economy. In the late 90s / early 2000s it seemed like it was pretty easy to get rated fuel economy or better, and from modern cars I've seen a huge shortcoming. My wife's Focus is rated at 26/37 and she gets 24-25 mpg on her commute, my brother in law's truck is rated at 18/23 and he gets 17mpg. Sorry, your wife chooses not to drive economically. My neighbor drives a '13 Focus hatchback and has a 32mpg average, I drive a '13 C-Max and I average 41. The cars are certainly capable of their rated economy, its the drivers who are the limiting factor.
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blugu64 posted:It's a Japanese Lincoln Town Car, it was even last updated in 1995! Exactly. That exaggeratedly-plush cloth seating is giving me flashbacks to early 1980s American land barges big-time. And of course it has the king of all "hide all engine under plastic" engine covers.
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Sadi posted:Not to mention the turbo boost fun factory is inversely proportional to gas mileage. I'm personally incapable of driving a boosted car with out hearing it spool and dump the BOV/BPV. I get between 19-22mpg in my wrx in a relatively smooth commute. This post made me laugh, I had a gently caress off loud BOV on my SRT-4 back in the day, so much gas wasted hearing that thing. Probably best that I can't hear anything from the SHO or XSport with the 3.5L EB engines. My SHO on the highway returns pretty respectable mileage. I can easily get 26MPG with the radar cruise set to 78. Driving around town though allows for more liberal application of the fun pedal, straight city MPG can dip down to 17 depending on how hard I romp it. I average 22.5MPG per tank over the last 20K miles though. Not bad for a giant AWD car with 365HP. Residency Evil posted:This is a really good post. I remember when I was 16 I couldn't figure out why anyone buying a new car wouldn't just buy a Civic for 5k and then pour $20k in to make it the sweetest Civic ever. We all went through that phase I think. I was 18 and had a 92 Ford Escort, I found a "mod" on a newsgroup that mentioned taking off the intake silencer made MOAR POWER. It made the car a little louder but that was probably it. Back in the SRT-4 heyday I watched plenty of young adults buy a brand new SRT-4 for 20K and then dump 5 to 10K into it trying to get it to compete with Evo's and STI's. Such a waste of money, they all would have been better off just taking that 10K and buying the 30K car they really wanted. I don't mod cars anymore, I'm in my mid 30's and prefer to just buy the car how I want it. I don't have the time or interest anymore 
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:Sorry, your wife chooses not to drive economically. My neighbor drives a '13 Focus hatchback and has a 32mpg average, I drive a '13 C-Max and I average 41. The cars are certainly capable of their rated economy, its the drivers who are the limiting factor. With the enormous Pilot Sport 3 tires and 18" wheels? I'm convinced those have got to be somewhat responsible for the mediocre fuel economy. Even on the highway I can barely get that thing over 32mpg driving under the speed limit and doing some hypermiling stuff.
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The best mpg I've gotten with my Golf TDI is the EPA estimated 42. It goes down pretty bad as you get over 70. I generally get high 20's/low 30's at 80mph in winter driving to/from Denver for snowboarding trips.
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fknlo posted:The best mpg I've gotten with my Golf TDI is the EPA estimated 42. It goes down pretty bad as you get over 70. I generally get high 20's/low 30's at 80mph in winter driving to/from Denver for snowboarding trips. Which is why I hate the current EPA Test cycle. Speed limits here in Texas are 75MPH on major freeways outside of the city and 65/70 in the city. Stretches of toll roads are 80MPH. If they simply changed the test to be a little bit more real world, manufacturers would adjust their gearing and result in major REAL WORLD fuel savings. Not some bullshit test that never goes about 60MPH. Manufacturers gear everything for max efficiency for the bullshit test and it makes me angry. 
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skipdogg posted:Which is why I hate the current EPA Test cycle. Speed limits here in Texas are 75MPH on major freeways outside of the city and 65/70 in the city. Stretches of toll roads are 80MPH. If they simply changed the test to be a little bit more real world, manufacturers would adjust their gearing and result in major REAL WORLD fuel savings. Not some bullshit test that never goes about 60MPH. What matters more: average speed that you could theoretically get on some freeways, some times of day, at higher speeds OR realizing that for an entire tank of gas, your average speed is much, much lower than the peak speeds on the highway. You get most of your benefits on the freeway from not slowing or stopping, not from having a low cD or gearing that optimizes your economy at average speeds you're unlikely to maintain for the life of a vehicle.
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I've gotten above the 34mpg rating on my BRZ. Round trip between Pittsburgh to DC netted me 34.5 MPG. That wasn't obeying the speed limit either. 75-80 mph nearly the whole way and the PA turnpike isn't exactly flat.
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Last in the series of JDM Toyota we don't get cause we're fat: GRMN Mark X bathed in spoilers and alcantara. Toyota promises the Mark X GRMN weighs noticeably less than a 350S thanks to roof panel that is made entirely out of carbon fiber. The touch screen-based infotainment system has been tossed out in order to save weight. Power for the Mark X GRMN comes from a stock 350S-sourced 3.5-liter V6 engine that sends 321 horsepower and 280 lb-ft. of torque to the rear wheels via a six-speed manual transmission and a Torsen limited-slip differential About 45k USD       
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So its a riced out Lexus GS with a Toyota badge? Why should we get it?
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