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KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Is it a Lenovo? If so, you can press Fn+Esc to reverse it.

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hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av
The alternate function on my Lenovo's F5 button is... refresh

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


On my Lenovo work laptop, it dims the screen.

rndmnmbr
Jul 3, 2012

For all that the Model M was everywhere and every computer shipped with one, they're awfully rare and expensive these days.

I mean, come on. Will nobody part with one for $20? I can't justify paying more than that for a keyboard, no matter how good it is.

(RIP box of Model M keyboards I bought at a school sale, had I but known how hard you were to come by I might not have given you away to everyone I knew.)

blugu64
Jul 17, 2006

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?
Yeah, but one in good shape is harder to find because hey they're everywhere etc

No you can't have mine :colbert:

pienipple
Mar 20, 2009

That's wrong!
I have a PS/2 one I could let go but I've been too :effort: to actually find a working PS/2 port to test it on, so it's clean but I don't know if it works.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

beato posted:

I took those keys off mine. Until my Dad "borrowed" a Type M from work for me.

The current bain of my computing-life is this:



Watching a movie or playing a game and closing all the open windows instead of turning the volume up.

What kind of a keyboard do you have where Fn is right next to Alt?

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

Ensign Expendable posted:

What kind of a keyboard do you have where Fn is right next to Alt?

The "close" key on its own closes the current window, no need to press Alt like if it was read as F4

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
Oh, well that's just the worst design in the world.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



I need to find a PS/2->USB converter and try out my Model M again.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Mine is connected via a DIN 5/180°-to-PS/2 and a PS/2-to-USB. The connection needs to be propped up or it will just break up.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

Pham Nuwen posted:

I need to find a PS/2->USB converter and try out my Model M again.

I thought that they needed too much current for USB to work.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Man your Windows needs more USB to keyboard properly. I'll order you some megabytes.

blugu64
Jul 17, 2006

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

Ensign Expendable posted:

I thought that they needed too much current for USB to work.

You need a special ps2 to usb adapter.

moller
Jan 10, 2007

Swan stole my music and framed me!

Ensign Expendable posted:

I thought that they needed too much current for USB to work.

Some PS2>USB adaptors work and some don't. Or at least that used to be the case with dodgy adaptors. It's entirely possible that the demand for such adaptors is so low now that any one you happen to grab will be decent enough to work.

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

rndmnmbr posted:

For all that the Model M was everywhere and every computer shipped with one, they're awfully rare and expensive these days.

I mean, come on. Will nobody part with one for $20? I can't justify paying more than that for a keyboard, no matter how good it is.

(RIP box of Model M keyboards I bought at a school sale, had I but known how hard you were to come by I might not have given you away to everyone I knew.)

I uno dude. Maybe put up an ad on your local craigslist? Check the local flea markets/goodwill/ salvation army? Make a little ringy-dingy down to the local E-Waste collection facility?

moller
Jan 10, 2007

Swan stole my music and framed me!

Johnny Aztec posted:

I uno dude. Maybe put up an ad on your local craigslist? Check the local flea markets/goodwill/ salvation army? Make a little ringy-dingy down to the local E-Waste collection facility?

Goodwill specifically but also thrift stores in general have gotten much better about making sure that (non-clothing) items of any value never reach their stores. In the case of goodwill the items go directly to ebay and sell for going ebay rates.

Thrift stores used to be an amazing place to get vintage computer/electronic/game stuff but that hasn't been the case for, like, a decade.

Edit: Unless you want to pay $50+ for a 27 inch tube television.

Edit2: It appears that the salvation army does the same thing selling directly on ebay.

moller has a new favorite as of 19:39 on Jul 11, 2015

Mescal
Jul 23, 2005

Does anybody have a link to like a persuasive short essay or something about why it's important to use a good keyboard? We got new keyboards at work, they're so shallow and gummy that I fat-finger typo all of the time now. It sucks, I really don't want to screw up mailing addresses or account balance due to a cheap keyboard.

Edit: I'm trying to look up my other options but don't know what to search for. It's got that two-factor thing on the keyboard where you press your finger on a thing on the back and it autofills a second password. What do you call that?

Mescal has a new favorite as of 20:16 on Jul 11, 2015

RoyKeen
Jul 24, 2007

Grimey Drawer

Mescal posted:

I really don't want to screw up mailing addresses or account balance due to a cheap keyboard.
Then, don't. Pay attention and do your job with the tools you're given.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Just bring your own keyboard, that's what I do at every workplace.

Mescal
Jul 23, 2005

Collateral Damage posted:

Just bring your own keyboard, that's what I do at every workplace.

Security standards are way too tight, IT'd never allow it.

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

moller posted:

Goodwill specifically but also thrift stores in general have gotten much better about making sure that (non-clothing) items of any value never reach their stores. In the case of goodwill the items go directly to ebay and sell for going ebay rates.

Thrift stores used to be an amazing place to get vintage computer/electronic/game stuff but that hasn't been the case for, like, a decade.

Edit: Unless you want to pay $50+ for a 27 inch tube television.

Edit2: It appears that the salvation army does the same thing selling directly on ebay.

Okay, then I guess he can sit an wallow in self pity over not having a model M. Rather than try to do something about it.

Stick Insect
Oct 24, 2010

My enemies are many.

My equals are none.
Thrift shops are quickly becoming obsolete as a place for good deals on things like books. I know of some that will kick people out, if they're seen using a smartphone to check the ISBN barcodes on-line, picking out all the good deals.

Other thrift/second hand shops are a bit smarter about it and just ebay the stuff themselves.

Mescal
Jul 23, 2005

Stick Insect posted:

Thrift shops are quickly becoming obsolete as a place for good deals on things like books. I know of some that will kick people out, if they're seen using a smartphone to check the ISBN barcodes on-line, picking out all the good deals.


What? Why would they do that?

Stick Insect
Oct 24, 2010

My enemies are many.

My equals are none.
Some weird rhetoric on how they were ensuring there'd never be a good deal hidden in the shelves. Because the opportunity to possibly find a good deal is what draws some people to these shops.

Also probably cuz it rubbed in the fact some of these books were being sold for way too little and the charity the thrift shop was promoting wasn't benefiting. Why would these evil smartphone wielding people be allowed to rip off charities?

Stupid logic. So now the thrift shops ebay the stuff themselves.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug
Which all kind of defeats one of the major reasons people went to thrift stores in the first place. Sometimes you'd find a gem among the trash and could usually get it on the cheap. Occasionally you'd luck out and find something really cool for like 1/4 of what it would normally cost. If you eBay off all the cool or valuable stuff then all you have left is basically a bunch of trash only the financially desperate would possibly ever buy.

pienipple
Mar 20, 2009

That's wrong!
It's almost like they exist because poor people might need things like clothes and children's toys they can afford, rather than to enrich nerds with smartphones.

Mescal
Jul 23, 2005

I remember how I felt the moment Goodwill and the others changed their prices from "we're just cycling through a ton of goods and every shirt's $2 because we serve our community and want you to afford to eat despite needing to buy household items" to "gently caress you. I know exactly how much this shirt is worth to you. You're gonna cough up $18 for it because I know you're not going to go and spend $50 on it new."

I go to little local ones who fund the Humane Society and such. gently caress Goodwill, who cheat their mentally disabled employees out of wages, and the Salvation Army, whose stated first goal is "the advancement of the Christian religion."

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

pienipple posted:

It's almost like they exist because poor people might need things like clothes and children's toys they can afford, rather than to enrich nerds with smartphones.

If you take out all the good stuff then the poor have far less hope of getting good stuff.

JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS

moller posted:

Some PS2>USB adaptors work and some don't. Or at least that used to be the case with dodgy adaptors. It's entirely possible that the demand for such adaptors is so low now that any one you happen to grab will be decent enough to work.

Yeah, I've bought about ten of those things (to connect newer machines to an old 16-port ps/2 KVM) and some are horribly unreliable, while others are just slightly unreliable. None that I have found are really great all the time.

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



pienipple posted:

It's almost like they exist because poor people might need things like clothes and children's toys they can afford, rather than to enrich nerds with smartphones.
If you're really a poor, then how come you have a smartphone?? Lucky Ducky :argh:

e: Charity shops in the UK are doubly lovely for selling their non-trash donations online and using government supplied unpaid labour for posting listings. Want to be able to eat this week? Better be willing to spend all day writing ebay descriptions for the salvation army for less than minimum wage, alongside actual employees who actually get paid for it!

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Toast Museum
Dec 3, 2005

30% Iron Chef

Mescal posted:

I remember how I felt the moment Goodwill and the others changed their prices from "we're just cycling through a ton of goods and every shirt's $2 because we serve our community and want you to afford to eat despite needing to buy household items" to "gently caress you. I know exactly how much this shirt is worth to you. You're gonna cough up $18 for it because I know you're not going to go and spend $50 on it new."

This must vary by franchise/region/whatever. The Goodwills here have uniform pricing by category. I think it's $4 for men's button-ups. It's the smaller local thrift shops that get cute with the prices.

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013

Toast Museum posted:

This must vary by franchise/region/whatever. The Goodwills here have uniform pricing by category. I think it's $4 for men's button-ups. It's the smaller local thrift shops that get cute with the prices.

Yeah, my midwest locale just puts the same price on everything. It makes it fun to mine out the treasures in the CD pile as Bumfuck, Flyoverstate's population's taste runs to country, lovely rock, and lovely country rock. Every month or so a music nerd my age dumps his or her collection too. Oh, hello 90's alt rock vein!

Redrum and Coke
Feb 25, 2006

wAstIng 10 bUcks ON an aVaTar iS StUpid
My job involves writing pretty much most of the time, and yet I've never felt that my keyboards at the office were unfit for the task (except in regards to some wrist position).
Other than the loud noise, what's the benefit of a mechanical keyboard, since you speak so highly of them, compared to something like the Microsoft natural keyboard?

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Non Serviam posted:

My job involves writing pretty much most of the time, and yet I've never felt that my keyboards at the office were unfit for the task (except in regards to some wrist position).
Other than the loud noise, what's the benefit of a mechanical keyboard, since you speak so highly of them, compared to something like the Microsoft natural keyboard?

Nerd cred.

I use a $10 basic keyboard with no frills. And it has been the best keyboard I have ever used. Surpassing my old AVID editing board.

Toast Museum
Dec 3, 2005

30% Iron Chef

Non Serviam posted:

Other than the loud noise, what's the benefit of a mechanical keyboard, since you speak so highly of them, compared to something like the Microsoft natural keyboard?

I haven't tried any fancy keyboards myself, but some people find that the distinct tactile feedback on each keystroke improves their typing accuracy, and I think some of the mechanical key types achieve that without being so loud.

thetechnoloser
Feb 11, 2003

Say hello to post-apocalyptic fun!
Grimey Drawer

Humphreys posted:

Surpassing my old AVID editing board.

You just gave me horrible flashbacks to school. Thankfully, I'm on Premiere now. (and more accurately, I'm on the radio now).

I will say though, learning how to edit video in AVID made me much more meticulous frame-wise than most of my colleagues who learned on Premiere. When you can't drag-and-drop, you get much more proficient at timecodes and anal about individual frames.

eminkey2003
Oct 11, 2009
If you like crummy old consoles, you probably know the 3DO and CDI, but this article names some really obscure machines. Check out the Casio Loopy, a gaming system marketed exclusively to women:



http://www.gamesradar.com/chasing-phantoms-history-failed-consoles/

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

quote:

Its miniscule software lineup mostly comprised of dating sims and "dress-up" games, and the Loopy itself came with a built-in printer that could turn whatever was onscreen into stickers.

Good lord. This was marketed to adult women? Eight-year-old girls might like this sort of thing. Maybe.

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DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

Hello! I see you.


eminkey2003 posted:

If you like crummy old consoles, you probably know the 3DO and CDI, but this article names some really obscure machines.

http://www.gamesradar.com/chasing-phantoms-history-failed-consoles/
I still want a Vectrex, it's pretty much the coolest thing ever. An early 80s game system that uses vector graphics and has its own built-in CRT monitor? Hell yeah! (I may also have been watching too much Classic Game Room)

Unfortunately, getting one of those shipped to my part of the world costs a fortune because they weigh a ton and are rather fragile. :saddowns:

edit: about the Neo Geo AES:

quote:

It was a technical powerhouse capable of producing titles that looked and sounded almost exactly like their coin-op counterparts.
No, GamesRadar, they didn't look and sound "almost exactly" like the arcade games. The Neo Geo AES runs on the exact same hardware as the MVS arcade system, so the games are exactly the same from a technical standpoint and the only differences were in the game options (credits, difficulty settings, etc). You can even bypass that and make the games run in MVS mode by using a third-party BIOS, making them work exactly like the arcade version.

e2: Yes, the CD-I is terrible, but did you know they made different controllers for it? The person writing this article apparently didn't, otherwise he probably would've mentioned the controller that is literally a Gravis Gamepad:

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