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Kitchner posted:Only because it holds real value and worth. Exactly, it holds value, and you possess it, while other, more deserving people don't.
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The rape gangs episode was on yesterday and Tasha was talking about how she was 5 years old running from the rape gangs and I pictured a whole planet of 
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Jul 12, 2015 22:17
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All of the greedy garbage assholes and probably religious humans too blew each other up in WW3, and I guess a few stragglers who left Earth early and eventually founded failed rape colonies or boring stupid clone worlds.
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Jul 12, 2015 22:19
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Howard Beale posted:If it's my 20s then it would include smoking the best space dank ever hydroponically engineered in zero-G. I can live with that. Gotta forget how aimless you are somehow, I suppose. Anyway, Star Trek is a metaphor for one's perfect future, and I guess some people's perfect futures involve smoking all day. Not judging, but perhaps some people feel guilty about this.
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Jul 12, 2015 22:47
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EvilGenius posted:The worst part is, you could be pretty successful on your own terms, you know get a job in middle management or something, but in a universe where you're given everything you need to achieve, you have nothing to blame but the confines of your genetic fart of a brain for your relative failure. You can't blame it on your background or circumstances. You're also forbidden from enhancing your genetic fart of a brain by people whose natural intelligence and charisma allowed them to rise to positions of power. The Federation's elites conspire to maintain their stranglehold on power by condemning countless billions to live in genetic poverty.
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Jul 12, 2015 22:50
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Moridin920 posted:I dunno why everyone is so hung up on 'working for nothing.' There's lots of reasons a person would want to do something other than money. Man kind has literally never been in this situation, and isn't psychologically equipped to deal with it. We struggled to eat. Then agriculture and money were invented. We struggled for money. Take that struggle away and people go a bit mental. You see it with lottery winners all the time. Moridin920 posted:Sounds like a personal problem to me, my 20s are great. Maybe you should go see Counselor Troi there, Lt. Broccoli. Yeah, my 20s sucked. EvilGenius fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Jul 12, 2015 |
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Jul 12, 2015 22:53
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fortunately there's starfleet, which gives people the opportunity to die on alien worlds far from home
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Jul 12, 2015 22:54
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you call it struggle i call it subconsciously yearning for your own death *seals self in room with holobabes and a replicator that teleports pizza directly into my mouth, realizing the human ideal*
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Jul 12, 2015 22:57
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The main struggle of the 24th century is trying not to have your computer lodge bits of itself in your skull whenever it bluescreens
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Jul 12, 2015 23:10
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Nigmaetcetera posted:Exactly, it holds value, and you possess it, while other, more deserving people don't. Yeah but in the Star Trek universe it means poo poo, as even if you had billions of bars of gold pressed latinum if you lived in the Federation you just replicate whatever you want anyway. So if money is utterly worthless, and pretty much the only thing you can do is something like "Yeah I bought a spaceship/moon because I'm hella rich" no one gives two fucks because they are being a guitarist like they always wanted to be then coming home and eating replicated top quality lobster with champagne in their luxury apartment. Money only has worth because it's needed to purchase things, but most of their things are free. You only feel good holding a ton of cash because it basically feels powerful, you have something that others don't. If literally the only thing your $5,000 bought you was something hardly anyone gave two fucks about it wouldn't feel as good to hold. I think basically the only things I can think of that are "status symbols" in the star trek universe are basically excelling in your field of whatever (Jake's a great writer, Sisko's dad is a great chef, plenty of great scientists), holding an official position within the federation (even being an ensign who graduated starfleet is actually pretty cool compared to average joe loser), or owning your own ship.
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Jul 12, 2015 23:37
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Also something that occurred to me today was how hosed up the universal translators are. Like the idea is that some alien talks to me in utter gibberish that is their language, and the translator just techno-magic's the english into my ears. So you've got maybe Picard speaking English, Troi speaking Betazed, some blue guy speaking blue guy language, and a Romulan on the screen speaking Romulan, but thanks to technology it all sounds English. If this is true, why the gently caress do we ever hear Klingons speaking Klingson? They come on board and they are like "Ha you! Picard! I will believe you are weak and pathetic like a human but then you will prove yourself worthy of respect before the end of the episode!" but then when he has won their respect they are like "K'Plah!" or whatever. Has this ever been explained because I literally only realised the other day how loving stupid this is.
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Jul 12, 2015 23:42
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They're using the "Klingon Weeaboo" translator setting that leaves random words untranslated All according to 
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Jul 13, 2015 00:03
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Kitchner posted:Only because it holds real value and worth. Depends on whether or not I'm playing Monopoly
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Jul 13, 2015 00:06
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Kitchner posted:Also something that occurred to me today was how hosed up the universal translators are. EXPERIENCE BIJ.
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Jul 13, 2015 00:09
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Planets don't have the right to succeed from the Federation right? Like if some useful planet near the Cardassian border just said "No thank you we wanna be self ruled, thanks for the replicator tech and holo rooms" the federation would just send a couple ships their way and install someone in power who liked the federation I imagine. Has a planets succession ever been the topic of an episode?
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Jul 13, 2015 00:18
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The Maquis, covered extensively in DS9 and somewhat in TNG and Voyager. They were Cardassian-bordering colonies who got sick of the Cardassians effecting terrorism onto them.
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Jul 13, 2015 00:20
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Dead Gay Romans posted:Depends on whether or not I'm playing Monopoly That's true, if I really want to loving beat someone at Monopoly holding someone's last $5,000 probably feels pretty great.
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Jul 13, 2015 00:23
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Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:Planets don't have the right to succeed from the Federation right? Like if some useful planet near the Cardassian border just said "No thank you we wanna be self ruled, thanks for the replicator tech and holo rooms" the federation would just send a couple ships their way and install someone in power who liked the federation I imagine. Has a planets succession ever been the topic of an episode? No I'm pretty sure they can just leave. The problem with the Marquis was more that they kept killing Cardassians. So the Cardassians wanted to just waste all the planets and kill all the colonists and the Federation didn't want genocide on their doorstep.
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Jul 13, 2015 00:24
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Pththya-lyi posted:What I don't understand is how the Federation citizens managed to pay for the services at Quark's bar. Canonically, the Ferengis deal in latinum because it can't be replicated, so how did Starfleet officers get their hands on the latinum? Did the Federation allocate it to them (essentially paying them a salary or stipend), or are they all involved in side-businesses that earn latinum? There was an episode where Jake and that annoying little kid Ferengi somehow got gold pressed latinum. It's not explained how they got it, and we're left with the conclusion that Quark gave it to them for "services". That's not the strange part, they used it to bid on items in an auction and there were a bunch of Starfleet members there bidding as well. Where did they get gold pressed latinum?
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Jul 13, 2015 00:27
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Yaos posted:There was an episode where Jake and that annoying little kid Ferengi somehow got gold pressed latinum. It's not explained how they got it, and we're left with the conclusion that Quark gave it to them for "services". I think the implication was that they were Nog's wages from working in Quark's bar.
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Apoplexy posted:The Maquis, covered extensively in DS9 and somewhat in TNG and Voyager. They were Cardassian-bordering colonies who got sick of the Cardassians effecting terrorism onto them. the loving Maquis Sisko was right, gas em all. You don't put phasers on a ship unless you plan to use them, so I'm pretty sure the Feds use the stick when the replicated carrot fails.
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Jul 13, 2015 01:03
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I'm watching Trancers 2 right now and the evil dominion guy with the big lips is in it with a black leather duster and a goatee. poo poo is hilarious.
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Jul 13, 2015 01:09
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Yaos posted:There was an episode where Jake and that annoying little kid Ferengi somehow got gold pressed latinum. It's not explained how they got it, and we're left with the conclusion that Quark gave it to them for "services". That's not the strange part, they used it to bid on items in an auction and there were a bunch of Starfleet members there bidding as well. Where did they get gold pressed latinum? I'm pretty sure it's as tat dude said, that the Federation can give money to their staff if they need to. Since all the federation staff are living on a station with loads of shops that use money and it's above a planet that uses money I wouldn't be surprised if they give them some cash.
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EvilGenius posted:I always kind of disliked this element of Star Trek. There's no money, yet there are no wasters. There are no people just perpetually drinking and partying. Wait, how do you know there aren't burnouts or slackers in the Federation? And what's wrong with there being burnouts and slackers?
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I figured if people showed themselves to be a drain on society the Federation quietly eliminated them by age 25 or so. Isn't that what Section 31 does?
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oldpainless posted:I figured if people showed themselves to be a drain on society the Federation quietly eliminated them by age 25 or so. Isn't that what Section 31 does? No Section 31 kills gays and trans people.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Wait, how do you know there aren't burnouts or slackers in the Federation? And what's wrong with there being burnouts and slackers? Haven't I been saying how with a utopian society there is I impetus for that stuff? Kitchner posted:No Section 31 kills gays and trans people. Homosexuality and thinking you're in the wrong body is corrected in vitro.
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Slackers and party animals aren't a problem. As a federation citizen you are entitled to housing, food, clothing etc., but you aren't entitled to housing in any particular neighborhood. Real estate is not infinite. People who contribute nothing to society have low priority for housing in the most in demand areas. Instead they could have slacker cities. Hedonist cities. Just as safe, clean and nice as the important cities. Just as much green space and automated amenities. The only difference is that no one who lives there does anything important. As long as your behavior isn't a health and safety hazard it is allowed, and you are housed with like minded people. Assholes who want to play their music at maximum volume and leave all the doors and windows in their apartment open so the neighbors have to hear it to are free to do so, but they get moved to an apartment block full of nothing but noisy assholes. Want to toke up all day every day? Welcome to Stoner Island. They won't become ghettos, because the construction and maintenance is just as good as every other city on earth. It's not even punishment, because most slackers and party animals would prefer to live among their own kind than constantly deal with the judgement and scorn of successful people. Stoner Island never gets a TV show, because that's not the part of the future Roddenberry wanted to showcase.
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Lord of Pie posted:The rape gangs episode was on yesterday and Tasha was talking about how she was 5 years old running from the rape gangs and I pictured a whole planet of She must not have had to run very fast.
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Jul 13, 2015 01:48
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Homosexuality and thinking you're in the wrong body is corrected in vitro. A trans poster in byob many years ago suggested this idea and had no problem with it whatsoever.
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Jul 13, 2015 01:51
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Reg Barclay is a functional addict. That's literally all he is is a holodeck addict who manages to barely keep his life in Starfleet together. That's one example of a loser (or loser-esque figure) in the Federation of the future.
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Haven't I been saying how with a utopian society there is I impetus for that stuff? Nah, I don't think the federation would believe being gay is a defect that needs to be cured by in vitro manipulation. What is this, the Eugenics Wars! I like the answer the Roddenberry gave when a bunch of nerds were moaning that their captain was a bald man and why didn't Picard's parents delete the gene for pattern baldness or why didn't Jean Luc get Mr Mott to repolarise his hair follicles or why didn't he just wear a hat all the time so nobody could see the top of his head but everyone would really knows he's a bit thin on top but they're just too polite to voice it. The official answer is that, by the 24th century, nobody cares.
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Figaro posted:Nah, I don't think the federation would believe being gay is a defect that needs to be cured by in vitro manipulation. What is this, the Eugenics Wars! except Kirk
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Lord of Pie posted:except Kirk Kirk didn't even like wearing glasses, he's not going to fess up to wearing a rug
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imagine if picard and the gang wandered into something they just knew this was it that was all there was to it just some great void, couldn't be fought and picard puts his hands above his eyes and starts crying, and then everyone else starts crying too
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Figaro posted:Kirk didn't even like wearing glasses, he's not going to fess up to wearing a rug He's had a tribble sitting on his head for years, that's why he hates being around Klingons
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Replicators gently caress up Star Trek so bad I hate them more than transporters. With transporters you can at least understand their usefulness as a plot device. Replicators render so much of what people do in the show completely redundant. What is Cassidy Yates hauling around in her cargo ship when the only consumer goods with scarcity are collectors items? 99.9% of the money economy revolves around art auctions and gambling for more latinum to buy more art with. The other .1% is oo-mox.
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Angela Christine posted:Slackers and party animals aren't a problem. As a federation citizen you are entitled to housing, food, clothing etc., but you aren't entitled to housing in any particular neighborhood. Real estate is not infinite. People who contribute nothing to society have low priority for housing in the most in demand areas. I figure that all that behaviour basically melts away or would get whittled down to a handful of small communities by the 24th century since spending all day smoking weed/playing games or whatever feels like more of an achievable coping mechanism for people trapped in the depressing daily grind of modern life, most people have a compelling psychological need to feel useful or do something with their time once outside forces stop sapping all their energy I mean there's no reason you can't get some old starfleet surplus Oberth class, fix it up with built in vapes or something and gently caress off on your own space weed adventures like 7 of 9's parents, right? On the bad side of that you end up with idiot bitch assholes like the Maquis, who settle near the territory of a fascist alien empire and act all surprised when they end up hosed inside their borders, and then refuse to leave even though people with fanstastic technology and practically free resources would have easily helped them relocate to garden worlds of the Maquis' choosing anywhere in their space
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How the hell do transporters even work without some kind of receiver wherever the destination is? Like on a planets surface for instance.
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