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ImpAtom posted:Truly a compelling argument. Is it wrong?
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:They also had timed bonuses, so if you didn't get in before a certain mid-kickstarter date, then you're out of luck.
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Jul 12, 2015 11:51
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I'm going to enjoy the flood of free Wasteland 2 or Witcher 2 keys that will come out. I have both those games so the free game I'll just have to give out to some random goon I guess.
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Jul 12, 2015 12:28
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Hat Thoughts posted:Is it wrong? It's as wrong as companies like Blizzard giving people a beta and calling it an alpha to make the peeps playing it seem more special for getting in SO early!
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Jul 12, 2015 13:07
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Groovelord Neato posted:It's as wrong as companies like Blizzard giving people a beta and calling it an alpha to make the peeps playing it seem more special for getting in SO early! I mean I feel that's a different thing though. If a company sells something and says it's a game then it's a drat game. You can say it's a poo poo game or that there's not enough content or that it's a bad deal since it's a lesser version of a game released in a few years, but it's still a game.
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Hat Thoughts posted:I mean I feel that's a different thing though. If a company sells something and says it's a game then it's a drat game. You can say it's a poo poo game or that there's not enough content or that it's a bad deal since it's a lesser version of a game released in a few years, but it's still a game. So your logic is that game companies can't twist words and if they say anything than it is true.
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Jul 12, 2015 19:06
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ImpAtom posted:So your logic is that game companies can't twist words and if they say anything than it is true. No
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Jul 12, 2015 19:11
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ImpAtom posted:So your logic is that game companies can't twist words and if they say anything than it is true. Could you give a clear cut definition of a game, a prototype and a demo?
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Jul 12, 2015 19:14
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ImpAtom posted:So your logic is that game companies can't twist words and if they say anything than it is true.
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Jul 12, 2015 22:51
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The demo for half life 1 was 100% original content never seen in the main game. Obviously, the demo for half life 1 is a full game.
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Jul 12, 2015 23:39
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If it helps, every company I've worked for or that my friends work for always internally define alpha/beta/RC differently.
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Jul 12, 2015 23:51
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Demo is a word that means "demonstration". You can demonstrate a concept for a game, or you can demonstrate a full game to convince people to buy it. Prototypes can also be demos. Everybody uses the words slightly differently because words are never locked in stone, they evolve over time. You guys are bad at English words. Descriptivism, bitch
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Jul 12, 2015 23:58
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That's not what people are talking about.
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You can dance around the words all you want but claiming a game is a full game just because it isn't literally called demo is just silly. You can call it Prototype or Beta or Chapter 1 or whatever you want, it boils down to 'charging players to play your advertisement for another game is lovely." It can be a good advertisement but it's still a drat advertisement. Publicly released game demos are not the same as internal demos and trying to act like they are is silly.
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Jul 13, 2015 00:03
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Suspicious Dish posted:Demo is a word that means "demonstration". You can demonstrate a concept for a game, or you can demonstrate a full game to convince people to buy it. Prototypes can also be demos.
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ImpAtom posted:You can dance around the words all you want but claiming a game is a full game just because it isn't literally called demo is just silly. You can call it Prototype or Beta or Chapter 1 or whatever you want, it boils down to 'charging players to play your advertisement for another game is lovely." It can be a good advertisement but it's still a drat advertisement. Lurking Haro posted:Could you give a clear cut definition of a game, a prototype and a demo?
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Fine. "A demo is a feature-incomplete, simplified or otherwise slice of an existing or upcoming game designed to promote and sell that upcoming games." Feel free to provide pedantic nitpicking to prove that (thing you liked) isn't a demo because clearly you couldn't have paid money for a demo because that is something only dumb people do.
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What? I don't think there's anything wrong with paying for a demo if you think it's worthwhile. I used to do that with Official Xbox Magazine all the time.
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The only difference is one of perception and even that doesn't matter much. Your description can be nitpicked to death because it doesn't hold up. What separates Case Zero and Case West? Is Zero a demo because it came out before the game and West a game because it came out after? Or are they both demos? It's a pointless thing to try to define beyond the terms given
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Hat Thoughts posted:What? I don't think there's anything wrong with paying for a demo if you think it's worthwhile. I used to do that with Official Xbox Magazine all the time. Also used to be common to pay for discs of shareware, either standalone titles or collections, and that's essentially paying for demos of the titles before you paid for the full thing.
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Jul 13, 2015 01:06
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Holy poo poo, you guys got into an argument so banal that even  couldn't make it worse.
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Jul 13, 2015 02:08
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Don't pay for demos you morons
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Pay for whatever you want 
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use your money responsibly in line with ur budget and disposable income appetite
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Jul 13, 2015 05:04
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don't waste your money on trash like video games
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Were we talking about how Ground Zeroes is a demo people paid for???
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Groovelord Neato posted:Were we talking about how Ground Zeroes is a demo people paid for??? It started with ImpAtom claiming that the Red Ash kickstarter is only for a demo or prototype, not a game. Ground Zeroes was only an example I brought up. -e- I think he might have thought of Gran Turismo 4 Prologue when reading that it will be a prologue chapter for the story. Lurking Haro fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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Jul 13, 2015 12:28
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I'd hate to break up this
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Jul 13, 2015 12:33
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Some of those games are basically new TrackMania-themes, which is nice.
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Lurking Haro posted:It started with ImpAtom claiming that the Red Ash kickstarter is only for a demo or prototype, not a game. Yes. It was a funny joke and of course goons took it too far.
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It's ok to pay for frivolous things if you can afford it. Hell, it's ok with me even if you can't.
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quakster posted:Some of those games are basically new TrackMania-themes, which is nice.
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Hell, I love Distance and the demo for Drift Stage, too.
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I mean they kinda are in that they're racing games that are purely time trials and (so far) nothing else. e: unless there's some modes i haven't seen for some of those
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Jul 13, 2015 19:31
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By that logic, Burnout 3 is exactly like Gran Turismo 4 because they both mostly feature racing against other cars on circuits. 
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Great Joe posted:By that logic, Burnout 3 is exactly like Gran Turismo 4 because they both mostly feature racing against other cars on circuits. well Burnout tends to have open road circuits exclusively, while GT is more of a traditional closed racing circuit...
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Jul 13, 2015 20:43
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It's more like Gran Turismo is like The Crew tbh
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ayn rand hand job posted:It's more like Gran Turismo is like The Crew tbh They both have equally lovely collision physics and hilariously antiquated rollover prevention measures so yeah I'll accept this.
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Hey, everybody. Posted about my friend's game, DARK STARS, that I'm scoring a few days ago. He just released a demo (and I'm super impressed!), so I'm posting it. Have fun! https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xo9iu8g5vkh1d8/DarkStarsv010Demo.7z?dl=0 Kickstarter is here (3 days left): https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1687983700/dark-stars-a-tragic-anti-shmup-for-pc-and-smartpho
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