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Cricket
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Blackface in crowd 129 55.36%
References to Lord of the Rings 104 44.64%
Total: 233 votes
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goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
If you missed it, the MCC have called the ICC a bunch of jerks about the world cup and told everyone to support T20 as an olympic sport. I'm sure it will all be ignored.

They also changed a couple of the laws to allow fielders to respond to switch hitting, and dicked with wicket keepers moving around.

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nzspambot
Mar 26, 2010

what the chance Clarke also underbowled Watto on purpose?

Unimpressed
Feb 13, 2013

nzspambot posted:

what the chance Clarke also underbowled Watto on purpose?

He didn't want Watson's cancer getting in the way of his cancer.

dusty
Nov 30, 2004

A shame if Watto has been dropped - he's been reviewing them well in the nets

auzdark
Aug 29, 2005

Mercy is the cry of the soul that stirred,
Mercy is the cry and it's never heard.

dusty posted:

A shame if Watto has been dropped - he's been reviewing them well in the nets

Can I please get this on a T-Shirt?

ColtMcAsskick
Nov 7, 2010
Watto noo

ColtMcAsskick
Nov 7, 2010
It's official. Australian cricket has died. The body will be cremated and the ashes left in England, to be stored in a scale model replica of Watson's front pad. I'd say we'd play for it every so often but to the victors come the spoils in this case.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Poor Shane Watson, who knew that all it took to be dropped from the Australian team was a decade of under performance.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
Obviously he's been pretty average for a while now and needed to be moved on, but it's a bit of a worry that CA seems to have done it after a test where Watto wasn't the worst. Comes across as caving in to social media or something.

snaeksikn
Feb 28, 2010

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perhaps they took a look at the performance of the side and decided there were too many tired old men in the side, so they looked at who had been bad for the longer period and whos position has pressure from other players coming through

Unimpressed
Feb 13, 2013

So what's peoples' opinion on Nevill? What happened to Wade and that Tassie guy with the hosed up fingers?

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Unimpressed posted:

So what's peoples' opinion on Nevill? What happened to Wade and that Tassie guy with the hosed up fingers?

Wade is poo poo behind the stumps, (Also a Victorian so he will never get selected), and Tim Paine hasn't been as good since his injury/injuries.

It's a pity, I had such high hopes for Paine. Young, good WK, and a good batsman.

gabensraum
Sep 16, 2003


LOAD "NICE!",8,1

BrigadierSensible posted:

(Also a Victorian so he will never get selected)

A Tasmanian playing for Victoria, doubly hosed.

put both hands in
Nov 28, 2007

:swoon:FYFE:swoon:
Paine was in the car with Faulkner and Cricket Australia were also "disappointed" in him so there's a good chance is career is hosed.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Doctor Cave posted:

Paine was in the car with Faulkner and Cricket Australia were also "disappointed" in him so there's a good chance is career is hosed.

tbf he wanted to watch Faulkner smash it into the nets

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
Surely Faulkner is in with a shot at selection before too long. Sounds like he's got the drunk obnoxious bogan box ticked and from the way he goes about his innings in one day cricket he could probably do ok in tests.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Unimpressed posted:

So what's peoples' opinion on Nevill? What happened to Wade and that Tassie guy with the hosed up fingers?

He got kept in the NSW team as a specialist batsman when Hads had the gloves and in the big bash when he joined the same team as Wade and got the Steve Waugh medal (best overall nsW player) either last year or the one before. Apparently it was thought by players he should've had the nod over wade a couple years back when Wade got put in the team. Which was funny (unless you're Nevill) because they had Nevill on tour as Brad's backup only to fly Wade in instead.



On Watto:
Something got made pretty clear to me reading through a few articles and team history. Watson was kind of the least poo poo pick for a long time. After the Argus review that came off the back of Australia's test team all but completely imploding there were a few factors that lead to selection woes. There was a change in selectors, board members, captains, coaches and how the teams were picked. The cricket schedule in Australia changed as well. The Australian cricket board being in weird deals with the BCCI had agreed to help support the IPL and champions league so they had to alter the schedule of matches to allow players to play in the IPL.

This meant two things, firstly - the sheffield shield tests weren't played as often or as in as large numbers as they had been years previous and therefore many of the players weren't used to the rigours of test bowling, and those that were hadn't spent their recent months playing tests.

The one day format around the world had been expanded - so tours of 5 tests, 3 ODIs and a T20 hit and giggle became poo poo like 2 tests, 5 ODIs and 3 t20s and Australia had this weird time of flux with their bowlers the major pool of guys to choose from was:
Siddle (inconsistent, breakable), Harris (breakable), Bollinger (inconsistent, often unfit - could barely pass a fitness test) Cummins, Pattinson, Starc, Johnson, Hilfenhaus, couple of others I'm probably forgetting all breakable, inconsistent and young/youngish without years of test experience. A common problem was they'd break into the test line up, bowl brilliantly then be out for a test with a side strain or hamstring or back, only for them to be rushed into the line up unfit and unused to conditions.

So the team was left with having to choose from a pool of players who weren't known quantities. Players who hadn't experienced years at the test level, had only played the short form as their primary cricket (when they were healthy) and were either having to be rested often to rehab injuries, or had to be rotated to avoid injuries. Add to that most of them were terrified of being dropped after one bad performance because they didn't know how the selection process worked. Even if they did stick around, coaching was that inconsistent that their bowling coach, captain and head coach would all have different advice on how to approach a game.

In an effort to put in a bowler who could be relied on to dry up an end, swing the ball and take the occasional wicket they felt Watson was the best choice. One of the reasons they felt Watson was the best choice was because the Argus review recommended using the ODI squad as a way of testing players to see if they were test ready (most of the coaches and experienced hangers on like tubbs felt this was retarded).

Watson at the time had performed actually really quite well in the t20 cups and in the ODI fixtures with bat and ball and prior to the short form heavy schedule he'd done well in tours against India, South Africa and Sri Lanka, - keep in mind this was before these teams had their major revamp and when India had the same issue Australia did in 08-12 players like Laxman, Tendulkar etc doing their retirement laps, South africa were blooding guys who're now brilliant and they toured poo poo places like the West Indies.

Through it all the bowlers above were having their issues, the only guy who was there to play well against poo poo competition was Watson. When it came time to select players they had a pool of ten guys so to speak but only half of them were healthy, and only half of that lot were considered reliable. So they went with Watto because he could bat (apparently) and he was (at the time) in the leadership group (keep in mind Haddin was in and out like a yo-yo, the major experienced guys like Ponting were gone, Warner had pretty much been a dud as a VC and Clarke was in and out with injury).

Another thing to remember at this point the batting "enforcers" capable of counter attacking like Katich, Hayden, Hussey, Ponting etc had either long since retired or were leaving the team. The top order was a rotating gently caress bag between Warner, Cowan, Hughes, Kawarja, Rogers and others who got bounced around. Smith was still a year or two away from being a player of note and Clarke while he did well was nursing injuries every drat week.

So they picked the guy who tonked the lovely attacks of short form teams on batting pitches designed to draw crowds. Who could take wickets against the declining / emerging line-ups of India, Sri Lanka and South Africa and who knew how to stand in the slips with his hands in his pockets and go "oi mate, have a bowl".

Problem was the top order batsmen seemed to flounder as often as they fired which panicked Clarke who thought it better to avoid giving Watson bowling duties to preserve his batting in case they needed someone to make a stand, which he never seemed to do anyway.

I can understand after seeing the bullshit the team went through up until 2013/14 with changes at every level being almost weekly why Watson stuck around, he filled pretty much all the criteria they had to select a player, except (does he do it in a test match that matters against top competition? because the answer was always NO).


It's almost as if the selectors punched into a spreadsheet give me someone who's
-an attacking batsman in ODI's [check]
-experienced [check]
-Could captain in a pinch [check]
-been round test cricket for a while [check]
-who's shown in the past on tour he could swing the ball, dry up runs and take wickets [check]
-performed against elite competition in test matches at home and in england [uncheck]


and Watson ticked those boxes. How he's hung around the last twelve months I can't explain, because it seems there's a glut of young all rounders crying out for a go while the top order of Rogers, Warner, Smith, Clarke is established. The only thing I can think of is that Marsh has had some inconsistencies, Henriques and his type have struggled at times.

Watson is the shining example of what was wrong with Australian cricket in the past (almost 10 years). It's like they expected him to be able to be the mystical unicorn that could bowl when things looked bad and then save an innings with his impressive lats, glutes and every time he failed to perform he'd do well in an arena that didn't matter like t20 or an ODI and the selectors would go "ooo he might carry this over" despite evidence to the contrary.

He was basically the least offending all round turd who showed the most talent when it was least required. I would think if Australia had two or three bowlers who could consistently stay healthy and bowl without leaking a million runs and we had three batsmen who didn't throw their wicket away or need a month with the physio after a quick fifty we would've seen someone else get blooded and hold their place. Failing that they stuck with the useless prick they knew rather than the useless pricks they didn't.

BlindSite fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Jul 15, 2015

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD

gay picnic defence posted:

Surely Faulkner is in with a shot at selection before too long. Sounds like he's got the drunk obnoxious bogan box ticked and from the way he goes about his innings in one day cricket he could probably do ok in tests.

His bowling is all about variations and Test bowling is about consistency.

snaeksikn
Feb 28, 2010

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gay picnic defence posted:

Surely Faulkner is in with a shot at selection before too long. Sounds like he's got the drunk obnoxious bogan box ticked and from the way he goes about his innings in one day cricket he could probably do ok in tests.

people love a redemption story too and in between his carrying on during the wc final and getting done for DD hes in prime position to put in a big few months in the state leagues and be on path to step into the test team as a crowd favourite

a real chump
Jul 30, 2003

noice
Nap Ghost
Yeah hes in the Nathan Bracken mold and from what I remember he wasn't great in tests.

Fanatic
Mar 9, 2006

:eyepop:

gay picnic defence posted:

Obviously he's been pretty average for a while now and needed to be moved on, but it's a bit of a worry that CA seems to have done it after a test where Watto wasn't the worst. Comes across as caving in to social media or something.
Next team to be picked via Twitter poll.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Fanatic posted:

Next team to be picked via Twitter poll.

Mate this is cricket we're talking about.

It'd be a round-robin reality TV competition with completely obtuse scoring that inexplicably lasted six months.

Unimpressed
Feb 13, 2013

webmeister posted:

Mate this is cricket we're talking about.

It'd be a round-robin reality TV competition with completely obtuse scoring that inexplicably lasted six months.

Nah, it'll be a KFC SMS poll.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Unimpressed posted:

Nah, it'll be a KFC SMS poll.

Reminder that the last time NZ played Aus. in a test that this was exactly how they chose the man of the match.

Boonys Cut Shot
Nov 5, 2004

Elite athlete

gay picnic defence posted:

Obviously he's been pretty average for a while now and needed to be moved on, but it's a bit of a worry that CA seems to have done it after a test where Watto wasn't the worst. Comes across as caving in to social media or something.

I actually think that dropping under performing mainstays of the team before the series has gotten away from Australia shows great strength. Although obviously Haddin wasn't dropped

Spedman
Mar 12, 2010

Kangaroos hate Hasselblads

Unimpressed posted:

Nah, it'll be a KFC SMS poll.

Dirty Rotten to be named captain.

EMC
Aug 17, 2004

Obligatory sportsbet post

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
Apparently #putoutyourfrontpad is trending on twitter and instagram in memory of Watto

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD
People always mention his LBWs but I'll always remember his audible "oh no" from the stump mic as he nicked off to slips.

Noxin of Shame
Jul 25, 2005

:allears: Our Dan :allears:
If Stokes fails as an all rounder in the English side, there's this chap playing for Essex who looks all right. Bowling good lines, keeping it tight, picked up a six-fer in the first innings, and chipped in with a quick 41* to give them a 460 run 2nd innings lead. Looks like he'd fit in with having a beer afterwards too.

Unimpressed
Feb 13, 2013

Noxin of Shame posted:

Looks like he'd fit in with having a beer afterwards too.

I'm not sure he'd leave any beer for the rest, probably get in a fight with David Warner, probably win it. So all in all a great prospect, definitely one for the selectors.

Knuc U Kinte
Aug 17, 2004

BrigadierSensible posted:

Reminder that the last time NZ played Aus. in a test that this was exactly how they chose the man of the match.

I can't remember who won man if the match but was that the Hobart test where aus lost and the man of the match was awkward as gently caress because an Australian won it.

Centusin
Aug 5, 2009
Warners century in that match was good and he deserved motm imo

Knuc U Kinte
Aug 17, 2004

Scylo posted:

Warners century in that match was good and he deserved motm imo

He deserved it because he looked like he wanted to crawl in a hole and die when he accepted it.

Burn Down Canberra
Oct 27, 2005

GAME PLANS? We don't need no stinking game plans.

:cry: :cry: :cry:
It was a really good century in the conditions. Probably the best Warner has scored but motm should go to a player on the winning side. That said its pretty funny kiwis are still whinging about a guy getting a motm award for scoring a century on a green top..the next best scores were 56.

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.

gabensraum
Sep 16, 2003


LOAD "NICE!",8,1
Athough I generally agree MOTM ought to be someone who made a match-winning difference, the exception is where the winning team is so even there is no standout and where the awardee gave an exceptional performance.

It becomes an interesting but of trivia and says something about the match, like when Ablett won the Norm Smith in the 1989 VFL grand final. Despite a herculean individual effort, the better team performance from Hawthorn won the day.

RideTheSpiral
Sep 18, 2005
College Slice


but he still plays in the ODI and T20 teams

snaeksikn
Feb 28, 2010

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Burn Down Canberra posted:

It was a really good century in the conditions. Probably the best Warner has scored but motm should go to a player on the winning side. That said its pretty funny kiwis are still whinging about a guy getting a motm award for scoring a century on a green top..the next best scores were 56.

what are you talking about its not at all like the kiwis to hold onto sporting bitterness for way too long

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Knuc U Kinte
Aug 17, 2004

Burn Down Canberra posted:

It was a really good century in the conditions. Probably the best Warner has scored but motm should go to a player on the winning side. That said its pretty funny kiwis are still whinging about a guy getting a motm award for scoring a century on a green top..the next best scores were 56.

Who's whinging? It was funny.

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