|
HEY GAL posted:40 guys from the mansfeld regiment deserted in one night after a rumor came through that they were about to be sent to spain and all their officers would be replaced with spanish ones Well, they say Ukrainian army was so full of plants that a company got orders to set up in the field where they could be easily grad'ed to death. The make up of the forces is interesting, not only because of the Russian "no, really" game, but also because of the Ukrainian militias and even Chechens joining the party. As for interesting tactics... shoot artillery from a residential area (what us post-sovs call "sleeping neighborhoods"), scoot, wait for counter-battery, claim that monstrous Ukrs are shelling Grandma Olga and Little Ruffian Peter for shits with a side of giggles. But that's inforwarfare again, little to do with how many (and which) AKs the Ukrainians have and the effectiveness of BULAT upgrade.
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2015 18:40
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 16, 2024 22:57 |
|
|
JcDent posted:Well, they say Ukrainian army was so full of plants that a company got orders to set up in the field where they could be easily grad'ed to death. I meant more like the eclectic nature of the equipment and the foreign volunteers. I heard they're using WWII stuff in some cases.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2015 18:43
|
|
|
imo this thread should be about history, not current events lets save that for other threads
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2015 18:47
|
|
|
Hogge Wild posted:imo this thread should be about history, not current events Yup.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2015 18:49
|
|
|
my dad posted:Yup. A generally good idea. I'm so sorry! Mycroft Holmes posted:I meant more like the eclectic nature of the equipment and the foreign volunteers. I heard they're using WWII stuff in some cases. Well, a WWII rifle can still work as a DMR, no? It's accurate, yet it doesn't have the rate of fire needed for modern war. Things can get wild, tho:  Poor StG  btw, whats the final verdict on AK's origins as a supposed copy?
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2015 18:56
|
|
|
JcDent posted:A generally good idea. I'm so sorry! A few minutes in World of Guns will convince you there is literally nothing connecting the StG and the AK47, aside from the idea of the intermediate power cartridge.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2015 19:01
|
|
|
JcDent posted:Poor StG If I remember right the AK has more mechanical similarity to the Garand.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2015 19:21
|
|
|
xthetenth posted:If I remember right the AK has more mechanical similarity to the Garand. the roller-delayed blowback mechanism of the STG-45 would later influence the CETME/G3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEPwmYcCPFs
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2015 19:28
|
|
|
Fangz posted:A few minutes in World of Guns will convince you there is literally nothing connecting the StG and the AK47, aside from the idea of the intermediate power cartridge. With the current political climate, some are more than happy to say that Soviets (and Russians, to that extent) only ever managed to steal stuff from the West, so, radio, AK, etc. It breeds doubt. I wanted to maybe try world of guns once, but the grind-mentioning reviews scared me away. Kanine posted:the roller-delayed blowback mechanism of the STG-45 would later influence the CETME/G3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEPwmYcCPFs ...and thus Lithuanian military gets to run around with the confusingly named AK-4, which is an antique Swedish G3 copy. xthetenth posted:If I remember right the AK has more mechanical similarity to the Garand. Naw, but you see, the lay person doesn't see the outward similarity, so it don't count.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2015 20:01
|
|
|
100 Years Ago General Hunter-Weston fucks off. (And there was much rejoicing.) Sadly, he'll be back in good time. At Second Isonzo, the Grand Old Duke of Aosta has marched his ten thousand men (less casualties and desertions) to the top of the hill, and then goes off to play Oliver Twist in an am-dram production, against General Cadorna as the beadle. "Please, sir, I want some more." The tide begins to turn against the Russians in the Caucasus, and Kenneth Best has been shipped out for Alexandria.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2015 22:34
|
|
|
cadorna is such an obviously and spectacularly incompetent commander how did he get into his position in the first place? was he a chum of the King from pre-unification or what
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2015 22:51
|
|
|
Ensign Expendable posted:I even saw memoirs by a German tanker that insisted he fought IS-3s and their guns could only put dents in his tank. I remember this one. If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's not a memoir but a pretty crappy novel that someone else thought was a memoir. Is there a long subplot about a captured Soviet redhead?
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2015 23:51
|
|
|
Dear Mr./Ms. P-Mack, I've read all your taiping posts and they are wonderful, I love them. I cannot wait for the next one. P-Mack posted:Also, I've noticed the Taiping seal is roughly av shaped. Any suggestions for text? "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." "Revolution is no tea party." "We came too early." (Boom! Phrasing!)
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 01:08
|
|
|
JcDent posted:As for interesting tactics... shoot artillery from a residential area (what us post-sovs call "sleeping neighborhoods"), scoot, wait for counter-battery, claim that monstrous Ukrs are shelling Grandma Olga and Little Ruffian Peter for shits with a side of giggles. But that's inforwarfare again, little to do with how many (and which) AKs the Ukrainians have and the effectiveness of BULAT upgrade. I swear I read a German memoir where the mayor of a German town was giving the retreating Wehrmacht commander a hard time about setting up a defensive position in his little town, so the guns (or mortars?) set up by his house, cranked off a few rounds in the general direction of the Americans and fled and then everyone watched as it was obliterated by counter-battery. Good story, much laughs. Pass the schnappes.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 01:29
|
|
|
Fangz posted:A few minutes in World of Guns will convince you there is literally nothing connecting the StG and the AK47, aside from the idea of the intermediate power cartridge. There is a connection there, but it has more to do with the production techniques. One of the German engineering bigwigs behind the move to stamped metal components in a lot of german small arms was also a key mover and shaker in designing the manufacturing process for the StG44 and related designs. After the war he was trundled off to the USSR and "agreed" to help them iron out the wrinkles with the AK production process. It was designed to be a stamped metal gun from the get go but they had some real problems cranking that up so it was a milled design for the first few years. Once they got that worked out it was back to stamped. edit: think it might have been Schmiesser, but not sure on that. edit x2: the post-war history of German small arms designers is fascinating. Take three of the engineers at Mauser Oberndorf, Mr Heckler , Mr. Koch, and Mr. Siedel. Not only did they basically reboot the German small arms industry in the 50s but they founded their new company in the same town as their old employer. I've always felt a bit sorry for Siedel not getting his name on the company logo. Should have been HK&S Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Jul 20, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 01:45
|
|
|
Schmeisser? I have documents regarding his work, the Soviets keep complaining that he's self-taught and can't do anything for them, Schmeisser complains that he doesn't get paid enough. Apparently all he was involved in was the design of box magazines for the PPSh and Mosin, as well as a submachinegun for the "German 0.8 mm round". The conclusion reads that "Due to a lack of technical education, he cannot perform any work. He contributed nothing of value during his stay. His psychology is capitalistic and he has a negative effect on the other German specialists."
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 01:53
|
|
|
P-Mack posted:Also, I've noticed the Taiping seal is roughly av shaped. Any suggestions for text? "I'm the Chinese younger brother of Jesus Christ."
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 01:54
|
|
|
P-Mack posted:Also, I've noticed the Taiping seal is roughly av shaped. Any suggestions for text? Ten thousand years too early.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 01:57
|
|
|
Ensign Expendable posted:His psychology is capitalistic and he has a negative effect on the other German specialists." "He keeps asking to be paid."
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 02:06
|
|
|
Ensign Expendable posted:Schmeisser? I have documents regarding his work, the Soviets keep complaining that he's self-taught and can't do anything for them, Schmeisser complains that he doesn't get paid enough. Apparently all he was involved in was the design of box magazines for the PPSh and Mosin, as well as a submachinegun for the "German 0.8 mm round". The conclusion reads that "Due to a lack of technical education, he cannot perform any work. He contributed nothing of value during his stay. His psychology is capitalistic and he has a negative effect on the other German specialists." Like I said, could be wrong on who it was exactly. It was big news about four years ago - I'm pretty sure Izmash (or whoever owns them at this point) acknowledged the work done on the AK production process.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 02:35
|
|
|
FAUXTON posted:Yeah but that turret looks modern as gently caress.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 02:48
|
|
|
Ya but only from the A3 variant with the welded turret onward 
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 03:01
|
|
|
On the subject of the StG-44 and AK-47, the outward similarities are likely more a result of form following function than the other way around. The AK's design is sort of a mash-up of existing American ideas (an action similar to the M1 Garand, the safety lever from the Remington Model 8, etc.). In fact, if you were to make the Remington Model 8 Police today you'd likely get at least a few people assuming it must be based on the Kalashnikov due to outward similarities, especially if it had a pistol grip:
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 03:54
|
|
|
Looks kind of like an oldschool version of the VSS Vintorez actually, which itself looks like a fancypants AK to a layperson like myself. Your point is well made.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 03:58
|
|
|
Just as a crack idea, I decided to take a Remington Model 8 and really quickly Photoshop in a Polytech AK's stock, pistol grip, and trigger and trigger guard. It didn't actually fit that well because I forgot to extend the Remington's receiver back to accept the pistol grip, but look at this monstrosity: Edit: You're not far off about the VSS, though. From what I've seen of the internals, the VSS and its assault rifle equivalent (the AS Val) has an operating system quite similar to an AK. chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jul 20, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 04:03
|
|
|
Ensign Expendable posted:I'm pretty sure that your average grunt that's sitting in the trenches knows nearly nothing about the war he's fighting. That's how every tank becomes a Tiger and every gun becomes an 88. I even saw memoirs by a German tanker that insisted he fought IS-3s and their guns could only put dents in his tank. And every StuG becomes a Ferdinand! 
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 04:24
|
|
|
And the Japanese at the Battle off Samar make a series of poor decisions based on the belief that they're fighting a full-sized carrier force, not an escort carrier force. I don't remember who recommended Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors but I think it's the best military history book I've ever read, thank you to that person.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 06:10
|
|
|
Xerxes17 posted:And every StuG becomes a Ferdinand! I always get the Ferdinand and the Elefant mixed up. Which was the one with the machine-gun?
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 06:25
|
|
|
Are there any particularly good films/television series about the First World War that you would recommend?
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 07:39
|
|
|
Kanine posted:Are there any particularly good films/television series about the First World War that you would recommend? Blackadder Goes Forth (Black Adder Series 4).
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 08:16
|
|
|
Kanine posted:Are there any particularly good films/television series about the First World War that you would recommend? Joyeux Noël.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 08:37
|
|
|
Kanine posted:Are there any particularly good films/television series about the First World War that you would recommend? The Great War BBC series is pretty great, it's from 1964 so it's dated, but it has a lot of footage and images i'd never seen before and was soon enough after the war that there are interviews with survivors. You can find the whole series on Youtube IIRC. Also seconding the recommendation for Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors. The description of the Kamikaze attack on the USS St Lo. is one of the most  things I have read.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 10:19
|
|
|
Ensign Expendable posted:Schmeisser? I have documents regarding his work, the Soviets keep complaining that he's self-taught and can't do anything for them, Schmeisser complains that he doesn't get paid enough. Apparently all he was involved in was the design of box magazines for the PPSh and Mosin, as well as a submachinegun for the "German 0.8 mm round". The conclusion reads that "Due to a lack of technical education, he cannot perform any work. He contributed nothing of value during his stay. His psychology is capitalistic and he has a negative effect on the other German specialists." Did he end up in the Gulag?
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 13:33
|
|
|
Hogge Wild posted:Blackadder Goes Forth (Black Adder Series 4). I would actually agree, at least in so far as it is important to understand the modern public perception of the war.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 13:35
|
|
|
Animal posted:Did he end up in the Gulag? No. He did die a year after ending work in Russia and returning home to what was then East Germany though, so read of that how you will. He was 68. I don't overall see why the Russians needed to bring in outsiders for ideas on stamped metal guns. Wasn't the PPSh stamped metal? Fangz fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Jul 20, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 13:45
|
|
|
∆∆∆ The PPS was almost entirely stamped, the PPSh was not.Endman posted:I always get the Ferdinand and the Elefant mixed up. Which was the one with the machine-gun? Elefant refers to the modernized one with a machinegun and Zimmerit. It was really easy to add a machinegun since there was already a slot for one, Porsche just didn't want to fill it for some reason. Xerxes17 posted:And every StuG becomes a Ferdinand! StuG and Marder and Jagdpanzer 38(t)... The way "Ferdinand" is used in award orders, I suspect a lot of people thought that anything without a rotating turret was called a Ferdinand.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 13:51
|
|
|
Mycroft Holmes posted:I really want to see an analysis of the tactics used in the current Ukranian Civil War, as well as the equipment. Can't say much for tactics but you may have heard the name "Brown Moses" bandied about in proximity to Ukraine (and originally Syria). He kind of started with the ID-Weapons-via-Youtube thing in the Syria/Arab Spring threads here but his ersatz fame has taken off a bit and he's more involved with his bellingcat site more than posting on our humble internet comedy forum these days. I am not familiar enough to really pass judgment on his analysis though.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 13:59
|
|
|
Fangz posted:No. He did die a year after ending work in Russia and returning home to what was then East Germany though, so read of that how you will. He was 68. There was a huge grab for German experts after the war. The nazis inherited one of the best academic research apparatuses in the early 20th century world. It wasn't just the Russians. The U.S. Probably wouldn't have gotten to the moon when we did without Von Braun and the people who came over with him.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 14:44
|
|
|
Kanine posted:Are there any particularly good films/television series about the First World War that you would recommend?
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 16:17
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 16, 2024 22:57 |
|
|
Our World War was pretty amazing. Not sure how accurate it was, but it was very dramatic. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3419604/
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2015 16:19
|
|
