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WHICH WAY MADNESS posted:We discussed this in the mason group, it depends on when wins was recruited. Punt investigated wins n1, wins could have been ftfy And now that I am catching up, no it sounds like that is not the case... Hmm...
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Max posted:This game has also been kinda frustrating for me, because I think I've picked up on a lot of people hanging around and watching but actively not participating. That usually screams scum at me, but it turns out there are a million loving mason docs or something where people are chatting with each other, and not actually posting in this thread. I doubt there's any more. People being sideshow spectators like WWM who's just defensive posting mostly are still scummy weirdos.
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Jul 22, 2015 17:53
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EccoRaven posted:Player List: So that's where I'm at. Town: 100yrs Gamer merk Quinque WWM Scum: Hal Amoeba Spoonsy ??: Max chaoslord fiery ##vote Hal
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Jul 22, 2015 18:18
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Gamerofthegame posted:I doubt there's any more. People being sideshow spectators like WWM who's just defensive posting mostly are still scummy weirdos. What are you even on about here?
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Jul 22, 2015 18:19
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It's a loving mason-"cult" those exist all the time.
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Jul 22, 2015 18:36
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Look, I'm just going to say it because I can see things going in that direction: Hal is also a Clarent recruit, so he's not part of the scum team. I don't know when he was recruited. Honestly, thinking about it, I want to go for Amoeba today. It's weird to be bulletproof and not know it, and honestly I don't believe that. Likely responsible for the beast kills. ##vote Amoeba
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Jul 22, 2015 18:52
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I'm sure the rest of the Clarent group is none too pleased with me.
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Jul 22, 2015 18:53
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WHICH WAY MADNESS posted:So that's where I'm at. If I were in a proper cult and became anti-town, I'm not sure I would really participate anymore because that idea is actually pretty repulsive to me as a player, but I'm not going to really try and convince people of the group's motivations.
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Jul 22, 2015 18:56
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Gamerofthegame posted:It's a loving mason-"cult" those exist all the time. Every cult I've ever seen has had a different wincon, pardon me for not implicitly trusting everything I hear at face value. Also you're kind of being a prick.
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Jul 22, 2015 19:02
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Max posted:Also, as a final note, I was recruited into the Clarent group last night. I'm not super happy about having my alignment change mid-game since I was perfectly happy with what I had (VT) but them's the breaks The win condition has remained the same, but from what I can understand, it comes with an additional condition that one of the original members of the group must be alive by the end of the game in order for us to win now, so it's a weird masonry-survivor group that only wins with the town. Honestly, the message I got wasn't super clear. This makes sense. In one my previous recent game there were a couple of scum teams and couple of town teams. Also, the idea of a SK being Amoeba makes enough sense considering I've seen other players who've been outed with strange roles react in such a way. I had to go to work so I'm going to keep re-reading! I may have to stop to make and eat dinner but I'll get through it all before going to sleep and will stick around for a q&a session.
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Jul 22, 2015 19:04
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It was The Misery of Madriu. I was part of the 'official' scum team versus the official town team. There were then another town team with a recruiting mechanic that we (as scum) let get out of hand and it lost us the game. We also pretty much decimated our Scum B team not knowing they were hunting the recruiters; it made us seem more town each time we caught scum. No team knew of the others' existence. So yeah this stuff isn't unheard for Ecco.
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Jul 22, 2015 19:07
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100YrsofAttitude posted:It was The Misery of Madriu. I was part of the 'official' scum team versus the official town team. There were then another town team with a recruiting mechanic that we (as scum) let get out of hand and it lost us the game. We also pretty much decimated our Scum B team not knowing they were hunting the recruiters; it made us seem more town each time we caught scum. No team knew of the others' existence. I was the recruiter of the other mason team.
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Jul 22, 2015 19:08
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In France AD 42(?) I was both on the official Scum team and was secretly part of another scum-survivor team, and both teams mutually won at the end, so yes, I am in agreement that this is not an unheard of thing for Ecco to have multiple town/scum teams.
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Jul 22, 2015 19:10
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I'm a complete idiot. For some reason when WW flipped, I had read it as mafia aligned godfather. The possibility of a godfather still being around on the scum team makes all that dethy stuff a lot more difficult to parse.
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Jul 22, 2015 20:15
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Max posted:FV, what was your theory on Wins yesterday? I'm interested in your thoughts since there isn't much here in the thread that you've shared. Chaoslord too, I suppose. If you're asking "Would I have voted wins?", yeah, I would have. F_V's case and WWM's post about wins being the right move for the day had me sold. Doubly so when the only thoughts about zzyzx were gut reads. I would have preferred to wait for wins to come back but that didn't end up happening. If that's not what you were asking, then try asking again, ha.
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Jul 22, 2015 20:20
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Max posted:We have a nightkill that looks and smells like a werewolf and now we have a player that is bulletproof but they don't know it with apparently a strange result from a role-cop (I am not happy wins did in fact have a result but didn't come back to explain it, but maybe something came up in his life or something.) I don't think it would be a stretch to think that Amoeba is the one responsible for the werewolf-looking kill. I don't know how much I believe their claim that they didn't know about being bulletproof, but whatever. Oh, also, I don't think Amoeba is the werewolf. Granted, it's speculation on my part, but I think there's a much better explanation around. (Quote this post and laugh at me when I'm wrong)
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Jul 22, 2015 20:21
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Honestly, I don't even know what to make about the Clarent aligned thing but I feel like it's going to end up being just another big distraction for me. I'm getting way too tripped up on all these extra speculations so I'm gonna go back to what I feel is right outside of those things ##vote Spoonsy Looks like Amoeba's pinging a lot of people, re:secret abilities, which is strange as hell, but I don't remember anything outside of that. I'll reread them when I have more time.
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Jul 22, 2015 20:23
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chaoslord posted:Oh, also, I don't think Amoeba is the werewolf. Granted, it's speculation on my part, but I think there's a much better explanation around. (Quote this post and laugh at me when I'm wrong) Is your speculation just "I don't think Amoeba is the werewolf?" Because that isn't really just speculation, that's just a baseless assumption. My better explanation for "Amoeba doesn't know about their powers" is that Amoeba is just lying about that part. Serial killer being bulletproof fits though.
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Jul 22, 2015 20:51
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WHICH WAY MADNESS posted:Every cult I've ever seen has had a different wincon, pardon me for not implicitly trusting everything I hear at face value. It's recruiting mason+ guy, not a cult.
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Jul 22, 2015 20:51
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I mean, it did give me an extra win condition, and essentially turned me into a faction specific survivor.
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Jul 22, 2015 20:53
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By that I mean, we can't win with scum.
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Jul 22, 2015 20:53
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Max posted:By that I mean, we can't win with scum. Yes, this. Also as far as I can tell the faction has no killing power unless they have been lying to me, I can't talk to anyone except the recruiter directly so I have no idea. ##vote Amoeba Pretty sure this is the right thing to do.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:01
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chaoslord posted:Oh, also, I don't think Amoeba is the werewolf. Granted, it's speculation on my part, but I think there's a much better explanation around. (Quote this post and laugh at me when I'm wrong) You know who is bulletproof? Werewolves!
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Jul 22, 2015 21:02
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Hal Incandenza posted:Yes, this. Also as far as I can tell the faction has no killing power unless they have been lying to me, I can't talk to anyone except the recruiter directly so I have no idea. Sorry for outing you, but I saw the train starting up and decided to head it off at the pass. Also, yes, I'll reiterate that I can also only talk to the recruiter.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:03
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Unless someone has a silver bullet.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:03
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Max posted:I'm sure the rest of the Clarent group is none too pleased with me. Nah it's cool, I think you did the right thing.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:03
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Hal Incandenza posted:Yes, this. Also as far as I can tell the faction has no killing power unless they have been lying to me, I can't talk to anyone except the recruiter directly so I have no idea. I don't think we're being lied to, and sending the kill to Amoeba while also having Wins role cop them doesn't make sense.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:08
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For whoever asked earlier, my theory was that wins was a scum tracker and saw Amoeba performing a kill. As a role cop instead Amoeba could still easily be a SK. I'm not convinced by Amoeba claiming to not know what his powers were. It seems fairly obvious to me that wins learnt something about his role. Why would a rolecop be told more than the player themselves about their role? Additionally, if Amoeba was the one performing the fireball kills, he would know that his action failed N2 and could claim it was targeted at him instead.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:18
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Max, Hal, it just occurred to me. What did wins know about Amoeba?
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Jul 22, 2015 21:19
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Max, Hal, it just occurred to me. What did wins know about Amoeba? The recruiter didn't tell me. I just sent a PM, because I was curious about that as well. Hal has been in the group longer, so maybe he knows.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:21
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fiery_valkyrie posted:For whoever asked earlier, my theory was that wins was a scum tracker and saw Amoeba performing a kill. I kinda think Amoeba is more likely to be the werewolf kill, but I hadn't thought about Amoeba possibly being responsible for the fireball kill. I think it's one or the other, but more likely werewolf.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:22
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Max posted:Is your speculation just "I don't think Amoeba is the werewolf?" Because that isn't really just speculation, that's just a baseless assumption. My better explanation for "Amoeba doesn't know about their powers" is that Amoeba is just lying about that part. Serial killer being bulletproof fits though. No. Admittedly, it is flavor speculation, but if there is one mod that makes games that I'm comfortable to flavor speculate for it's Ecco. I have a specific alternate candidate in mind for it and they are town. That said, fiery_valkyrie posted:As a role cop instead Amoeba could still easily be a SK. I'm not convinced by Amoeba claiming to not know what his powers were. It seems fairly obvious to me that wins learnt something about his role. Why would a rolecop be told more than the player themselves about their role? This is a good point and I could see Amoeba being the fireball killer.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:28
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Additionally, if Amoeba was the one performing the fireball kills, he would know that his action failed N2 and could claim it was targeted at him instead. I have to disagree. Amoeba used specific words that Nth did too when his action failed ("locked door" etc) which leads me to believe it was a jailor of some sort or a recruit attempt or something like that. Ecco might have counted it as triggering the bullet proof reveal just to be nice. I don't think he's the fire killah. I also think the firekiller was a two shot, as there hasn't been any since.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:28
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I don't really think he's some flavor of serial killer either cuz why would he announce he's bullet proof? That seems townie to me.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:30
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Hmm, did the locked door block Nth from doing their action?
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Jul 22, 2015 21:30
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##unvote Now I really want to know what wins found out.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:31
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Max posted:Hmm, did the locked door block Nth from doing their action? Yes.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:32
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I'm going to go to the Wet Hot American Summer NYC premiere and in all likelihood a hammer is going to occur while I'm there. So with that in mind, ##vote Amoeba. Wins saw something. Otherwise he wouldn't have outright asked for a claim, which we still haven't received, when he did. He flipped town-aligned. I want to see what he saw.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:32
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From what I know, no one tried to recruit Amoeba. Reminder that the role cop investigated Amoeba that night, so they wouldn't risk a recruitment at the same time.
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Well if Then Amoeba can't be the werewolf kill.
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