[Mafia] The Tournament of Heroes

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CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

OmegaGoo posted:

So it takes someone other than me asking you to justify your vote to justify your vote? That's obnoxious and doesn't help anyone but yourself.

It irritates me that in one post you've basically tripled the content you've contributed.

As for the OMGUS, it sure as hell isn't one. You voted me without cause, refused to interact with anyone, then, when I asked you to explain yourself, proceeded to ignore me until asked by Birdstrike. You are scummy as gently caress.

I'd actually point out that my refusal generated further points against you, in provoking you into making the OMGUS vote and continued case, so yes it served a purpose further fermented my opinion of you as scum.

So far the case you are putting against me being scum is that I am scummy, and I will throw the same to you: explain your vote.

You also can't use anything that was posted after your vote, that would be justifying your vote after the fact, so my interactions with birdstrike are irrelevant.

Why am I scummy enough to vote?

Or don't, I'm not your mom, I'm not too invested.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 06:02

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# ? Apr 24, 2024 17:52

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

TMMadman posted:

Can I love the thrill of battle?

You can love whatever you want, I'm not your boss, I don't care what you do.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 06:03

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

My phone autocorrected cemented into fermented, which I kind of like better.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 06:05

EccoRaven: Aug 15, 2004; there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

ok I am being Decisive.

##vote goooooo

# ? Jul 23, 2015 06:05

OmegaGoo: Nov 25, 2011; Mediocrity: the standard of survival!

CCKeane posted:

Why am I scummy enough to vote?

I voted you for three reasons:

1) You weren't really posting anything that looked like content.

2) You voted me without interacting with me or even mentioning me at any point except

CCKeane posted:

Goo are you scum?

*long wistful sigh*

Which had nothing to do with anything I had been talking about, since I was talking about my ROLE INTERACTIONS, which, of course, have earned me the Hated status. You think I'd be willing to risk that status if I was scum?

3) You blatantly shut down my questioning about your vote. I had no interest in voting you until you decided that you weren't going to interact with me further until I did.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 06:12

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

You don't need to interact with somebody to say if they are scum or not, so those points all seem pretty silly. If I was amused by silly things I might chortle.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 06:14

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

EccoRaven posted:

if you disagree say so.

...

well, I guess the eyes have it

birdstrike I think we should vote for... I like keane's case on goo. Do you?

You know I actually do.
Another thing which pings me is the fixation on the behaviour of people in the challenge, which is a convenient way to have game related discussions without scum hunting.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 06:14

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Goo you also never answered my question when I asked if you were scum, I imagine some people (not myself) would find that very upsetting.

Not even acknowledging somebody asking you a direct question, for shame.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 06:16

OmegaGoo: Nov 25, 2011; Mediocrity: the standard of survival!

CCKeane posted:

You don't need to interact with somebody to say if they are scum or not, so those points all seem pretty silly. If I was amused by silly things I might chortle.

Noted. I'll keep that in mind for future games.

Birdstrike posted:

You know I actually do.
Another thing which pings me is the fixation on the behaviour of people in the challenge, which is a convenient way to have game related discussions without scum hunting.

*sigh*

It's more relevant to my role mechanics than anything else that has happened this game, so I apologize for fixating on something I get to play with.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 06:17

OmegaGoo: Nov 25, 2011; Mediocrity: the standard of survival!

CCKeane posted:

Goo you also never answered my question when I asked if you were scum, I imagine some people (not myself) would find that very upsetting.

Not even acknowledging somebody asking you a direct question, for shame.

I'm not scum.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 06:17

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

OmegaGoo posted:

I'm not scum.

I actually do appreciate this, thank you.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 06:20

TMMadman: Sep 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Segur thinks the gambler should live for today.

I have to agree that it seems to be weird to be fixating on Goo because it seems like whatever he is has something to do with the challenges.While it's certainly possibly that Goo is scum, I'm willing to let it play out for another day to see what happens to him after the next challenge. Or he he dies in the night because the scum don't want to see if something happens.

Who else do you think is scummy Keane?

# ? Jul 23, 2015 06:29

garthoneeye: Feb 18, 2013

I think it's a little unfair to bash Goo for focusing on the challenge considering it's his flavor and people asked him about it.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 07:14

Roydrowsy: May 6, 2007

OmegaGoo posted:

I voted you for three reasons:

1) You weren't really posting anything that looked like content.

2) You voted me without interacting with me or even mentioning me at any point except

Which had nothing to do with anything I had been talking about, since I was talking about my ROLE INTERACTIONS, which, of course, have earned me the Hated status. You think I'd be willing to risk that status if I was scum?

3) You blatantly shut down my questioning about your vote. I had no interest in voting you until you decided that you weren't going to interact with me further until I did.

Points one and two make enough sense, but three... They explained why they voted so it doesn't work.

I will say, I get the feeling at times that goo posts in a way that is similar to me, I think they are more likely to just spout off ideas more than strategically plan their posts out, so some of the things you point at as questionable, I don't know if i agree with.

I realize this suggests that I am in kahoots with goo, but I'm not. If we had secret dealings, they would have known my intentions in the challenge before I went into it, I would have suggested they bet on somebody other than me, and ended up hated as a result.

Just a heads up, I will be gone for most of the day, I am helping interview people for jobs at my school, but I will be around well in time for deadline.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 11:40

QuoProQuid: Jan 12, 2012; Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

King Burgundy posted:

Interesting. And you feel the same way after my most recent posts on the subject?

Yeah, I still do. Your posts build pressure on Murmur without putting forth reasonable effort to understand her motivations. What, for example, does Murmur gain through "a dishonest interpretation" of the votes against her (1) (2). In what way does that benefit scum? It might be weird, but I cannot fathom how "dishonest interpretation" of that incident is helpful. It's taking anti-liar policy to an extreme.

You engage in a similarly thoughtless attack later on, when you discuss Murmur's motivations for voting you (3). It is not contradictory to accuse you of blindly supported a bad case (4) and saying that you supported a case without reading it (5). Based on her clarification (6), Murmur's meaning seems pretty straightforward: Her case was never intended to be serious, and if you thought it was a good case then you clearly never read it.

"Flailing" might not be the best word to use, but I do think you are being exploitative and I'm still struggling to explain why you are caught on a hella dumb flavor case against Keane (7).

OmegaGoo posted:

Yeah, so I'd vote for Yuming, Merk, or Garth, just based on amount of content. (Yeah yeah, replacements and such, but still).

Yuming is an extremely low content poster, regardless of alignment.

Know nothing about Garth, but I assume he's a newbie player.

Merk typically does a bunch of weird flavor stuff D1 before swinging back around and playing for reals. Nothing about his posts thus far ring as off to me.

Also, lurker votes are baaaaaaaad.

Roydrowsy posted:

damnit i typed a response and it deleted itself.
First part....

Saying I had no intent to win is just me being honest about what happened. I have explained this. The contest was a 1 in 8 shot to win a prize i had a 1 in 17 chance of needing.
I could play those odds, or go for the 1 in 4 shot of winning a 'mystery prize' I looked at the odds, and chose the better odds.

Second part..
I have tried to make my posts meaningful, but I have been trying to make sure that my count went up so I didn't get replaced, as I saw that my posting was a bit short at the start of the day.

But, here is another thing that I have already explained in this game.

I don't know how other people put their posts together, but here is my process.
I read a bunch of stuff. I click the button to reply. Then I type as I think through it all. I attempt to type and publish all of my ideas. I will point out, as best I can, the things I do and do not like. Just because I don't like something does not mean I have made the decision that it is scummy. If you are unsure about my position, feel free to ask. Typically, I don't throw my votes around all that much. I'm not much for voting to put pressure on people.

my Goo vote is a joke so ##unvote

There are things I need to review before I try and post a new vote.. I am still going over everything from the day.

did you just confess to posting just so that you could have a higher post count

and now that you've chided me for not understanding your positions, would you please tell me your positions

because my previous post about not understanding your positions was intended to get you to explain those positions, not explain to me that you can explain those positions.

thx

# ? Jul 23, 2015 13:03

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

I can see situations where something like Murmur's gambit would be useful. For example if you have an investigation result to clear a scummy-looking town, you might build a case on them and see who follows with the intent of exposing a scum or two.

One situation where this absolutely doesn't work is D1 so I think the shame rests with MurmurTwin most of all.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 13:22

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Good morning all!

Birdstrike posted:

I can see situations where something like Murmur's gambit would be useful. For example if you have an investigation result to clear a scummy-looking town, you might build a case on them and see who follows with the intent of exposing a scum or two.

One situation where this absolutely doesn't work is D1 so I think the shame rests with MurmurTwin most of all.

When you say "absolutely doesn't work", what do you think my intent was in making the case in the first place?

# ? Jul 23, 2015 13:39

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

Murmur Twin posted:

Good morning all!

When you say "absolutely doesn't work", what do you think my intent was in making the case in the first place?

I have no idea. It doesn't strike me as scummy in itself, I just think that turning around at people and saying "ha ha you fell for my fake case" without knowing whether or not that case was correct or not is absurd.
At the time you posted you couldn't have evidence that Keane isn't scum. The exercise might have had value in showing who would follow bad cases, but it doesn't support any conclusions as to alignment.

Sorry that's wordier than I hoped I'm tired and about to sleep, be back in a few hours.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 13:53

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Birdstrike posted:

I have no idea. It doesn't strike me as scummy in itself, I just think that turning around at people and saying "ha ha you fell for my fake case" without knowing whether or not that case was correct or not is absurd.
At the time you posted you couldn't have evidence that Keane isn't scum. The exercise might have had value in showing who would follow bad cases, but it doesn't support any conclusions as to alignment.

Sorry that's wordier than I hoped I'm tired and about to sleep, be back in a few hours.

She doesn't need to know my alignment to show who is willing to follow a bad case. You can also get information based on this by building relationships independent of meaningful persuasion.

Or something like that, I don't know.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 14:16

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

OmegaGoo posted:

Trying to keep 16 different people's posts straight has been rather difficult.

Opop is seeming scummy to me for the same reason as in WIFOA... which means he could be town. I know for a fact my scumdar needs work, so as of right now that's a null-leaning-town there.

MMT is doing that thing that promotes discussion. Regardless of alignment, that's a pro-town thing. Null-leaning-town there.

I want my question to Roy answered. Nothing yet there.

KingB is town.

Considering my track record on betting, this might not be saying much, but I'll bet that one of Pmom or Keane is scum. Nothing solid there yet, so no vote from me yet.

TMM, aside from the glory, why did you want to win the challenge?

This post feels scummy to me:

(a) the actual scum calls on Keane and PMom aren't explained, and are kind of tacked onto the end of
(b) saying Opop is scummy, and then calling him (and me) null-lean-town
(c) saying KB is town (which, as mentioned before, I am inherently suspicious of)
(d) reiterating/asking questions to Roy/TMM that don't really have anything to do with scumhunting (to me it's natural that people would try and go for items/victory in the challenge regardless of flavor/alignment)

Goo: Why PMom and why not Opop for scum? Take me through the evolution on your reads there.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 14:17

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

A major component of day one is forcing content and forcing opinions, so that was accomplished at least.

Overall I liked the move.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 14:17

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

CCKeane posted:

Overall I liked the move.

Gotcha! I knew you had a heart in there.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 14:22

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Murmur Twin posted:

l

Gotcha! I knew you had a heart in there.

I have the heart of a child.

I keep it in my desk at home.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 14:23

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Birdstrike posted:

I have no idea. It doesn't strike me as scummy in itself, I just think that turning around at people and saying "ha ha you fell for my fake case" without knowing whether or not that case was correct or not is absurd.
At the time you posted you couldn't have evidence that Keane isn't scum. The exercise might have had value in showing who would follow bad cases, but it doesn't support any conclusions as to alignment.

Sorry that's wordier than I hoped I'm tired and about to sleep, be back in a few hours.

Basically, I felt that we were stuck in jokephase/challenge discussion and so I threw out a case to get Mafia-ing started. That's really all my intent was when I made it.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 14:30

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

King Burgundy posted:

(a) Keane lying about being apathetic is scummy because it allows him to float through the thread without putting forth any opinions on scum, making cases, etc. It was not a joke vote, but I can see why someone would think it was. Your case was a wordier version of this, thus I agreed with it. --- I should point out here that Keane has started engaging with the thread and putting forth opinions, so this is now moot.

Ignoring that last quote that I changed, you read:

MT's initial case on Keane posted:

I hope the first mod challenge is erotic massage, since I don't care about Exakt's strange smells.

---

Its good that someone can fill in for me.

and thought that constituted proof that Keane isn't actually apathetic?

# ? Jul 23, 2015 14:44

merk: May 20, 2003; ##interact

LISTEN BROTHER

A VOTE FOR THE MERKSTER IS A VOTE FOR YOUR PAIN

*stares into camera*

# ? Jul 23, 2015 14:48

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

merk posted:

LISTEN BROTHER

A VOTE FOR THE MERKSTER IS A VOTE FOR YOUR PAIN

*stares into camera*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGwe0XCo4Sw

Dare I ask for game-related opinions?

# ? Jul 23, 2015 14:53

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

# ? Jul 23, 2015 14:57

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Pinterest Mom posted:

Wouldn't be opposed.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 14:59

garthoneeye: Feb 18, 2013

QuoProQuid posted:

Also, lurker votes are baaaaaaaad.

Why do you think lurker votes are bad?

# ? Jul 23, 2015 15:05

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Also who is new this game?

# ? Jul 23, 2015 15:54

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

I haven't seen this Merk guy before but other than him, who is new?

# ? Jul 23, 2015 15:54

garthoneeye: Feb 18, 2013

This is my second game of forum Mafia. I've played a fair bit of IRL werewolf.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 16:05

TMMadman: Sep 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

CCKeane posted:

Also who is new this game?

This is only my only my fourth game of Mafia ever.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 16:07

Opopanax: Aug 8, 2007; I HEX YE!!!

garthoneeye posted:

This is my second game of forum Mafia. I've played a fair bit of IRL werewolf.

So far I like your posting and hope to see more of it

# ? Jul 23, 2015 16:10

AnonymousNarcotics: Aug 6, 2012; we will go far into the sea
you will take me
onto your back
never look back
never look back

Pinterest Mom posted:

I am so honored that you made this for me <3

# ? Jul 23, 2015 16:16

merk: May 20, 2003; ##interact

garthoneeye posted:

This is my second game of forum Mafia. I've played a fair bit of IRL werewolf.

WOLFY WOLFY WOLFY WOLFY WOLFY BROTHER

# ? Jul 23, 2015 17:26

OmegaGoo: Nov 25, 2011; Mediocrity: the standard of survival!

Murmur Twin posted:

This post feels scummy to me:

(a) the actual scum calls on Keane and PMom aren't explained, and are kind of tacked onto the end of
(b) saying Opop is scummy, and then calling him (and me) null-lean-town
(c) saying KB is town (which, as mentioned before, I am inherently suspicious of)
(d) reiterating/asking questions to Roy/TMM that don't really have anything to do with scumhunting (to me it's natural that people would try and go for items/victory in the challenge regardless of flavor/alignment)

Goo: Why PMom and why not Opop for scum? Take me through the evolution on your reads there.

So now that I'm less frustrated by my inability to post properly, let me post something that probably isn't going to help my case any.

1) This is my 3rd (2nd really. WIFOA doesn't count) game on SA. Apparently I'm out of practice from my previous experience.

2) My logic is inconsistent, but goes something like this: "My read on this guy is X, but I'm terrible at reading, so I must be wrong. Therefore, they are actually Y." Again, that logic has been used inconsistently without me noticing until now.

3) No matter what I do at this point, I am going to look like I am waffling on my opinions, and that's my own drat fault for not thinking things through.

4) I have explained my stance on Keane. Apparently that's a "silly" case.
My case on Pmom is approximately the same. Apparently not explaining a vote isn't inherently scummy, though, so perhaps I am wrong.

5) Your case on KingB sucks for D1. Again, I could be wrong, since I appear to always be wrong.

6) To be fair, (d) is rather important, but still got me a bunch of relevant info for my role, rather than for town. I do apologize for focusing on the wrong things, though.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 17:38

EXAKT Science: Aug 14, 2012; 8 on the Kinsey scale

Hey everyone, just a reminder that deadline is in a little under twelve hours. I'd like to see everyone have at least twenty posts, or an equivalent amount of content, by that time. Happy murdering! :sun:

Votecount for Day 1

Roydrowsy (2): TMMadman, EccoRaven, ~~EccoRaven~~, imgay, QuoProQuid, ~~TMMadman~~

EccoRaven (2): Birdstrike, ~~Birdstrike~~, CapitalistPig, yuming

OmegaGoo (2): Roydrowsy, CCKeane, ~~Roydrowsy~~, EccoRaven

Opopanax (1): merk, EccoRaven, ~~EccoRaven~~, EccoRaven, ~~EccoRaven~~

King Burgundy (1): Murmur Twin

Pinterest Mom (1): Opopanax

AnonymousNarcotics (1): Pinterest Mom, EccoRaven, ~~EccoRaven~~

Murmur Twin (1): Pinterest Mom, CapitalistPig, ~~Pinterest Mom~~, ~~CapitalistPig~~, King Burgundy

CCKeane (1): King Burgundy, Murmur Twin, ~~Murmur Twin~~, ~~King Burgundy~~, OmegaGoo, Birdstrike, ~~Birdstrike~~

imgay (0): Birdstrike, ~~Birdstrike~~

CapitalistPig (0): EccoRaven, ~~EccoRaven~~

merk (0): EccoRaven, Opopanax, ~~EccoRaven~~, ~~Opopanax~~

yuming (0): CapitalistPig, ~~CapitalistPig~~

Not Voting (5): AnonymousNarcotics, Birdstrike, garthoneeye, Roydrowsy, TMMadman

With 17 alive, it's 9 votes to lynch. The current deadline is July 24^th, 2015 at midnight EDT -- that's in about 11 hours, 23 minutes.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 17:39

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# ? Apr 24, 2024 17:52

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

2) My logic is inconsistent, but goes something like this: "My read on this guy is X, but I'm terrible at reading, so I must be wrong. Therefore, they are actually Y." Again, that logic has been used inconsistently without me noticing until now.

Can you explain this a bit more? It is pretty confusing, and I tend to quickly lose interest in things I find confusing.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 17:41

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