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Symbolic Butt posted:vagrant is garbage poo poo for idiots seems OK for development environments pity it's rubby
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Jul 19, 2015 09:31
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Cocoa Crispies posted:i guess they never heard of sqlite3? does mysql have any features worth using other than "silently changing table types from innodb to myisam to gently caress you over" or "silently casting nulls to empty strings to gently caress you over" or the fact myisam still exists is terrible innodb has its own brand of stupid though, like not defaulting to file-per-table, and even then requiring the entire ibdata1 file for the entire database so you have to use hacks like xtrabackup to take consistent partial snapshots you can tell it to be 'strict' to avoid the silent php-style casting but lol that's not the default. php-style database. been doing too much dba janitoring lately. mysql replication is so easy to break too sigh
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Jul 19, 2015 09:34
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my stepdads beer posted:seems OK for development environments it's amazing how fragile it is, the integration with virtualbox is super dumb the easiest solution most of the time seems to be to delete the .vagrant directory and start all over again I'll fight anyone here who says vagrant "JUST WORKS" instead of "arbitrarily creates a bunch of nonissues and wasting everybody's time" vagrant experience
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Jul 19, 2015 11:06
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god this software is a tremendous piece of poo poo
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Jul 19, 2015 11:07
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use docker instead ftw
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Jul 19, 2015 11:08
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after all these years i have finally watched someone unintentionally do an rm -rf * on a bunch of important data unix, the user-friendly os the surprising part is that we turned out to actually have regular backups, and someone knew how to restore them
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Jul 19, 2015 12:46
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Celexi posted:i used evolution for sometime, it supports exchange, but i prefer webmail anyway. evolution's exchange "support" was screen-scraping owa. it no longer works
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Jul 19, 2015 14:03
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Symbolic Butt posted:vagrant is garbage poo poo for idiots vagrant is the de facto cross platform standard. if i don't want to send someone a 16 gb ova/ovf file, it's vagrant or nothing it doesn't matter if it sucks because it's not really a choice that said docker + test-kitchen can be a really nice combo if your target audience can be relied upon to figure out how to get those lovely docker wrapper scripts to work on osx
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Jul 19, 2015 14:04
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:evolution's exchange "support" was screen-scraping owa. uh, no? it has had a maintained mapi plugin for quite some time: https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution-mapi
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Jul 19, 2015 18:22
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:vagrant is the de facto cross platform standard. if i don't want to send someone a 16 gb ova/ovf file, it's vagrant or nothing uhh brew and boot2docker make this trivial
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Jul 19, 2015 18:50
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Suspicious Dish posted:uh, no? it has had a maintained mapi plugin for quite some time: https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution-mapi well, raw mapi is also dead, so this code doesn't work either
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Jul 19, 2015 19:08
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https://github.com/GNOME/evolution-ews this is new (to me) and cool tho ews is actually supported and enabled by default on modern versions of exchange, so if this code works it's likely to work for most people most of the time
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Jul 19, 2015 19:12
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:well, raw mapi is also dead, so this code doesn't work either I wasn't aware of that. The document here describing Exchange's architecture (last updated earlier this year) definitely suggests that MAPI is definitely still used. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee157205%28v=exchg.80%29.aspx
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Jul 19, 2015 19:12
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Suspicious Dish posted:I wasn't aware of that. The document here describing Exchange's architecture (last updated earlier this year) definitely suggests that MAPI is definitely still used. mapi is still used internal to exchange, but for client access it runs the mapi stuff over some weird fuckin RPC over HTTPS layer. there exist microsoft-rpc-over-https libraries for linux but it basically requires you to build samba 4 from git to get started. ews is a lot simpler, but until today, i didn't know of a linux mail/calendar app with ews support
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Jul 19, 2015 19:13
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Oh, you're simply talking about autodiscovery, not actual mail delivery. OK, yeah, then that's still under development.
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Jul 19, 2015 19:13
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Suspicious Dish posted:Oh, you're simply talking about autodiscovery, not actual mail delivery. OK, yeah, then that's still under development. no, the actual mail stuff requires msrpc/https support. direct mapi is dead as a doornail.
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Jul 19, 2015 19:14
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i learned this stuff very painfully a few jobs ago, even tried to hack on some of the code. stuff was very, very, very broken at that time. now it looks like evolution sidesteps all the bullshit with an ews backend. that's a huge step forward (if it works)
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Jul 19, 2015 19:16
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just set up a smtp relay idiots
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Jul 19, 2015 19:31
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yeah lemme just run loving davmail that's an awesome solution
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Jul 19, 2015 19:57
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pram posted:uhh brew and boot2docker make this trivial just use docker cli on mac and have it talk to a headless linux running docker elsewhere, i.e. in a datacenter or a closet or anywhere that's not on your desktop or lap
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Jul 19, 2015 21:45
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what the gently caress is nixos
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Jul 25, 2015 00:32
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i had to boot up the linux desktop for the first time in a month or so and it took a half hour or so of reboots and plugging and unplugging before my usb keyboard and mouse would work (the keyboard would work fine in the bootloader selection screen but as soon as it got into the login screen: nope)
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Jul 25, 2015 01:05
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Cocoa Crispies posted:just use docker cli on mac and have it talk to a headless linux running docker elsewhere, i.e. in a datacenter or a closet or anywhere that's not on your desktop or lap you putsyour dockers inside of your vagrant box
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Jul 25, 2015 01:59
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Captain Foo posted:what the gently caress is nixos a package system that thinks it has it all figured out
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Jul 25, 2015 02:36
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:a package system that thinks it has it all figured out I might install it on a yostop
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Jul 25, 2015 04:51
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Captain Foo posted:I might install it on a yostop i thought about it until i realized that neither puppet nor chef supports nix worth a poo poo the nix people imagine that their package system is a replacement for configuration management (it is not) so they sneer at the whole idea and write nasty essays go figure the community responds by politely ignoring them
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Jul 25, 2015 05:07
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yeah or. you know, the obvious. the fact that no one uses it
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Jul 25, 2015 05:08
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the nix people imagine that their package system is a replacement for configuration management (it is not) lol that's literally everything i need to know about nix
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Jul 25, 2015 05:09
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pram posted:yeah or. you know, the obvious. the fact that no one uses it chef natively supports at least two package systems i've never heard of, in addition to such widely used formats as solaris "ips" (11.0-only), macports, and openbsd ports. in other words, it only really takes one user to get changes mainstreamed nix must have literally 0 users who also have an interest in configuration management. i am imagining a community made up exclusively of smug weirdos who think packaging is the hard part
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Jul 25, 2015 05:19
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nix literally is a replacement for other config management tools... if you're willing to write nix if that's too hard for you, then yeah, you should probably stick to chef
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Jul 25, 2015 05:32
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:nix must have literally 0 users who also have an interest in configuration management. i am imagining a community made up exclusively of smug weirdos who think packaging is the hard part mostly true
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Jul 25, 2015 05:33
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http://www.nixlice.com/
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Jul 25, 2015 05:35
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i thought about it until i realized that neither puppet nor chef supports nix worth a poo poo hmm it sounds pretty good for my needs then
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Jul 25, 2015 14:53
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We are halfway through the year. How is linux on the desktop coming along? Has the endless reached 100k shipped? Will Smythe ever abandon gnome 3? Burning questions that need to be answered.
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Jul 27, 2015 02:17
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windows 10 is basically linux sooo
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Jul 27, 2015 02:18
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Wow, I googled this and yeah - command line package manager. How are those shady download sites that pay for google ads going to get crapware on ur pc now?
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Jul 27, 2015 02:22
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Yikes, this dude  says its as good as dead. RIP.
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Jul 27, 2015 02:23
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pram posted:windows 10 is basically linux sooo emerge excel
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Captain Foo posted:emerge excel same but again after I change use flags to enable numbers
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