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nickmeister posted:What language is the American Psycho couple speaking? I'm normally pretty good at identifying foreign languages, but this one's driving me nuts. i wasn't really paying attention to what they said this ep, but in a previous one it sounded like swedish.
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Crankit posted:i wasn't really paying attention to what they said this ep, but in a previous one it sounded like swedish. The guy who plays Wellick is Swedish, so probably.
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Jul 24, 2015 05:19
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Someone earlier in the thread said he was speaking Swedish and she was speaking Danish. Which is weird, but probably well within their collective weirdness.
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I know everyone is saying the show intends to play with the idea that Mr. Robot isn't real but what if it doesn't? That's my big worry. Like what if the creator thinks he's got this twist locked and loaded and he thinks he's going to blow our minds? I trust the show a lot, but I have trouble imagining how anyone can pull off what they're trying here. I've read Dexter tried a Tyler Durden character and it was hated. Can television actually support that sort of structure? I think the best possible scenario is that they reveal Mr. Robot isn't real at the end of this season, Christian Slater (as much as I like him) is no longer in the cast in season two, and the show is drastically different to account for that change. A worse and unfortunately more likely scenario is they reveal Mr. Robot isn't real at the end of this season and he turns into the invisible-to-everyone-else advisor cliche that television has so overused. And the nightmare is that we find out Mr. Robot is imaginary in season five. They can't pull off no one acknowledging him that long, they just can't. Or the show really is a lot smarter than me and there's a solution that will surprise and satisfy everyone. I certainly hope so!
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Wax Lion posted:I know everyone is saying the show intends to play with the idea that Mr. Robot isn't real but what if it doesn't? That's my big worry. Like what if the creator thinks he's got this twist locked and loaded and he thinks he's going to blow our minds? What if you just watch and enjoy each episode until something happens to make you no longer wish to indulge? The amount of people worried about the future of this show is astounding.
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Jul 24, 2015 07:42
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Feenix posted:The amount of people worried about the future of this show is astounding. Lost hurt me. I can't allow myself to be hurt again.
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Jul 24, 2015 07:53
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Wax Lion posted:I know everyone is saying the show intends to play with the idea that Mr. Robot isn't real but what if it doesn't? That's my big worry. Like what if the creator thinks he's got this twist locked and loaded and he thinks he's going to blow our minds? Because the show calls out, right from the beginning, the possibility that Mr. Robot isn't real. Elliot says it, out loud, episode 1: "Wait, I'm a paranoid schizophrenic. What if he's a delusion?" The fact that his concern ultimately falls to the wayside doesn't matter: he put it out there for the audience to remember. Here's the thing about "Twists," and I'm speaking as a writer who is working on a story with a Twist: If you're looking to shock your audience, you're not going to put The Twist out in the open for everyone to see. This is especially true if you're looking to be perceived as the cleverest motherfucker in all the land, because the joy of The Twist for a writer is catching everyone off guard and forcing them to go back and reexamine everything that may have hinted at The Twist. "I saw that coming" is the last thing a Twist writer wants to hear. That's why no story that emphasizes The Twist tells you The Twist in its first two acts. (Especially in the post Fight Club / Sixth Sense / Beautiful Mind era, where audiences started actively trying to stay one step ahead of their storytellers.) Once the possibility enters your mind, there's no getting it out, and you lose the element of surprise. Sam Esmail dispensed with that element the moment Mr. Robot entered the picture. He acknowledges, through Elliot (in a way that makes perfect sense for his character), the elephant in the room, and goes forward in the story, business as usual. He drops obvious hints about Mr. Robot's Durden-esque nature in the first few episodes. But then he doubles back and offers clues that suggest he's NOT necessarily a figment of Elliot's imagination in the latest episode, almost as if he knew you'd be looking for those initial clues. This is all a part of making the question of Mr. Robot's existence an unspoken part of the series (for now at least), as opposed to a boring old Twist that everyone knows is coming: if this was just about shock, I promise, absolutely none of this poo poo would be in play.
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Jul 24, 2015 08:31
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I dunno, if Mr. Robot isn't real, does that mean the guys in the van were just sitting there silently instead of feeding Eliot info? Seems like an awfully strange way to run an op. Is everyone except Eliot aware that Mr. Robot is one of his personalities, and did Mr. Robot tell the other hackers to chop off his balls should he catch on?
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Jul 24, 2015 11:15
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nickmeister posted:I dunno, if Mr. Robot isn't real, does that mean the guys in the van were just sitting there silently instead of feeding Eliot info? A lot of Mr Robot's lines could have been Romero's instead. He was oddly quiet in that scene.
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Jul 24, 2015 11:25
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Yup that's 100% it congrats you've solved the big mystery just like the showrunner intended.
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VDay posted:Yup that's 100% it congrats you've solved the big mystery just like the showrunner intended. What, are you talking to me? Chill out, mate, it's just an observation.
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Jul 24, 2015 11:35
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I was responding to the post before yours, if it makes a difference(forgot to refresh the page before posting). Either way I was just poking fun at the people who are posting about different scenes as if there are actual clues to be gleaned there, like it's something that they'll actually figure out before the show wants them to. I know it's fun to think about that stuff and I'm not an rear end in a top hat so I don't actually care what people talk about, but it just seems goofy to treat this like something that's worth trying to dissect. Spoiler for every future episode of this show: there will be scenes that hint that Mr. Robot is real. Those scenes will also never actually prove anything because "Elliot was just imagining him doing that" will always be a counter. Because that's the entire point/premise of the character/show.
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Jul 24, 2015 11:59
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Wax Lion posted:I know everyone is saying the show intends to play with the idea that Mr. Robot isn't real but what if it doesn't? That's my big worry. Like what if the creator thinks he's got this twist locked and loaded and he thinks he's going to blow our minds? I trust the show a lot, but I have trouble imagining how anyone can pull off what they're trying here. I've read Dexter tried a Tyler Durden character and it was hated. Can television actually support that sort of structure? So yeah, this is this thread's version of "analyzing the dream sequence." We're really just re-analyzing if Mr. Robot is real. Also making fun of the guy who said he loves the show but might drop it next episode. Also, yes, Dexter's version of it was that his opponent in one season, Tom Hanks's son, had his own ghost dad to parallel Dexter's ghost dad. It was obvious and everyone caught it early on so when it was revealed, most folks just rolled their eyes. That wasn't the biggest reason to hate the show at the time, though. By that season's airing, enough had transpired in the previous season to help plenty of folks realize that Season 4 was a fluke and we probably weren't getting anything good again from the show. DivisionPost posted:if this was just about shock, I promise, absolutely none of this poo poo would be in play.
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nickmeister posted:What language is the American Psycho couple speaking? I'm normally pretty good at identifying foreign languages, but this one's driving me nuts. Probably because it's two languages; she's speaking Danish and he's speaking Swedish.
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Jul 24, 2015 13:41
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So, when I saw the commercials, I thought this was a cheap (or at least sleazy) attempt to cash-in on anonymous (the masks, etc). But I'm hearing some good things. Is this not the case?
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Jul 24, 2015 14:49
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XboxPants posted:So, when I saw the commercials, I thought this was a cheap (or at least sleazy) attempt to cash-in on anonymous (the masks, etc). But I'm hearing some good things. Is this not the case? A lot of the advertising for the show has been really bad, but it's good. The Anonymous mask stuff has only shown up a couple times.
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Jul 24, 2015 14:55
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I feel like the, "Is he real?," angle is just to amp up our feeling of an unreliable narrator/narrative. The basis of empathy is shared experience, and this gives us the same uncertainty as Elliot and gives us suspicion commensurate to his paranoia. It helps connect us to the work.
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XboxPants posted:So, when I saw the commercials, I thought this was a cheap (or at least sleazy) attempt to cash-in on anonymous (the masks, etc). But I'm hearing some good things. Is this not the case? Don't bother watching this show because it doesn't even matter if you enjoy it, it's only going to hurt you in the end!! Seriously though, it's a pretty good show. Just don't read this spergrific thread.
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yeah you can maybe watch it for a bit but you may have to drop it if you can't tell if it'll end up being good 5 years from now
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The only thing that's confusing me is that if that if Angela's father has cancer and has bags and bags of past due bills, why does he look so healthy? You can't really hide the effects of treatment. Could those bills instead be from when Angela's mother died and were just never paid off/going through collections? Didn't that happen a long time ago? If that's the case, it seemed like dad lived in a nice big house in a good area, so maybe the process is still happening or we'll find out later that the house is getting sold off or something. Maybe I just missed something here, but I'm really enjoying the show!
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Jul 24, 2015 17:24
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Is this the first episode we've seen where Elliot and Mr Robot are not in the same physical place at once? Isn't he usually within eyeshot of Elliot whenever he makes an appearance?
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wukkar posted:Legit felt sad for Bill hey they're going to call Bill a big fat fatty fa.... 
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Lumis posted:Is this the first episode we've seen where Elliot and Mr Robot are not in the same physical place at once? Isn't he usually within eyeshot of Elliot whenever he makes an appearance? Well, the only time they weren't physically together was when Mr. Robot was in the van. At that point they were connected by earpiece though, so he was still within earshot. I don't think we've ever seen video presence of him from OUR perspective without Elliot around. For example - last week we saw the two FSociety girls hanging out together alone looking for the Dark Army, and we also saw the two FSociety guys together alone setting up to steal the van. At the time I sort of felt like both of these scenes were shown purposely to show you there is a difference between the 4 of them and Mr Robot. They've never shown a similar scene of Mr Robot hanging out doing his thing while Elliot is off doing other stuff. If that makes sense? I could be overanalyzing too, who knows. It's fun to guess at what they're trying to do.
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Solkanar512 posted:The only thing that's confusing me is that if that if Angela's father has cancer and has bags and bags of past due bills, why does he look so healthy? You can't really hide the effects of treatment. It's possible that they're her mother's old bills weighing him down with debt. Her mom did die of Lymphoma from Evil Corp's lack of safety. I'm sure it'll be made explicitly clear sooner rather than later, she's not gonna sit on whatever info she found forever without talking to someone about it.
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Jul 24, 2015 20:08
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How did Mr. Robot know Elliot was just about to apologise to that guy?
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Jul 25, 2015 09:14
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Cactus posted:How did Mr. Robot know Elliot was just about to apologise to that guy? Interacting with/watching Elliot enough to know some basic things about his personality. It's pretty obvious Elliot isn't a sociopath that gets off on destroying people.
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Jul 25, 2015 10:39
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Cactus posted:How did Mr. Robot know Elliot was just about to apologise to that guy?
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Cactus posted:How did Mr. Robot know Elliot was just about to apologise to that guy? Cause he lives in Elliot's head
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This is the problem though. They've been telegraphing BIG TWIST since day 1, meaning as has been said they can't now do said twist because everyone will be like "duh, no poo poo." But if they don't have someone be a head-character, or some characters being the same person, or [whatever BIG TWIST variant you want to insert here], the question will then become so what's with all the fake-out telegraphing? That's just dishonest. It's an interesting corner they've painted themselves into and I'm watching to see if or even how they manage to get around it.
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Cactus posted:This is the problem though. They've been telegraphing BIG TWIST since day 1, meaning as has been said they can't now do said twist because everyone will be like "duh, no poo poo." Is it still a surprise twist if they've been telegraphing it since episode one? Can't it just be a regular wrinkle in an unreliable narrator's tale. The implication of the head-character can still drive the thoughts and actions of Elliot regardless of whether said character exists only in his head or not? all the "fake-out telegraphing" just serves to define Elliot's view.
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Then that, to me (and this is just my own personal taste) would not be enough to justify the sheer extent of the nudge-nudge wink-wink that's in there. Yes, it can inform his state of mind and unreliableness as a narrator, but it would also feel to me like a cheap and deceptive way to stir up debate (get that twitter trending) and create artificial mystery where none exists.
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Jul 25, 2015 17:58
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Even if it does go off the rails... It sure is a pretty show.
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Cactus posted:Then that, to me (and this is just my own personal taste) would not be enough to justify the sheer extent of the nudge-nudge wink-wink that's in there. Yes, it can inform his state of mind and unreliableness as a narrator, but it would also feel to me like a cheap and deceptive way to stir up debate (get that twitter trending) and create artificial mystery where none exists. I don't agree at all, to me, regardless of however the status of Slater's character turns out, the way he's presented in the show also lends to the cool, weird atmosphere & style of the show. They even had the scummy drugdealer's prison lawyer scenes done in a similar weird way and it lended to the overall vibe this show got going on that makes me like it so much.
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Yeah, these are only apprehensions I have, right now I'm enjoying the hell out of it. Clearly there are intelligent minds behind this show so I remain overall optimistic. I'm hoping when all is said and done my reaction is maybe "wow, wasn't expecting that." or "hmmm, subtle ...but clever". Fingers crossed.
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apatheticman posted:Even if it does go off the rails... It sure is a pretty show. This. The soundtrack is also really really good. I'm not a big soundtrack person in that I rarely notice or pay attention to them, but with this show I do. Basically I'm enjoying the show a lot and I don't give a poo poo if it goes off the rails because I've sure as hell watched worse.
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There are a lot of ways for this show to go with Mr. Robot without having him necessarily be entirely be a figment of our narrator's mind. My hope is that there's some kind of MKULTRA style gaslighting conspiracy with rogue agents going on. Notice the heavy hypnosis themes in the dream sequence segment, the overarching narrative in the pilot about those who play god without anyone's permission, Elliot's rattling radiator etc. I would be pretty disappointed if it ended up being all in his head as I really believe this show could maybe do something interesting and push the envelope in a lot of ways if it doesn't follow formula. I was kind of hoping for a dead Elliot episode 2 but I guess we can't expect a show to be that shocking. Anyways if you don't want the thread to be bad post rampant speculation.
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Jul 26, 2015 00:47
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The last episode ends by zooming out to reveal Elliott staring into a snow globe.
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pahuyuth posted:This. The soundtrack is also really really good. I'm not a big soundtrack person in that I rarely notice or pay attention to them, but with this show I do. Basically I'm enjoying the show a lot and I don't give a poo poo if it goes off the rails because I've sure as hell watched worse. The soundtrack isn't original, though, is it? In the last episode at there end, the music played had to have been from an 80's movie. I think it was risky business or something else. Yep, just confirmed it, from the risky business soundtrack My awesome skills proven: Tangerine dream - risky business soundtrack "love on a real train" (movie version) Doctor Butts fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Jul 26, 2015 |
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Doctor Butts posted:The soundtrack isn't original, though, is it? In the last episode at there end, the music played had to have been from an 80's movie. I think it was risky business or something else.
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