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IMO he's the most overrated player in the whole dota scene. He has serious fame and credit when his big skill is 'kill creeps fast". He made some records years ago when dota was all 4p1 and that meta obviously worked for him, but that's not what dota is anymore, and so, so many amazing players have showed up in his own role. His farming speed isn't exceptional anymore, and his overall decision making doesn't stand out. And I think it's pretty indisputable that his presence on a team causes them to be very cautious an disproportionately carry-focused. I think any team with him on it (especially previous DK iterations) would be better served to replace him with any other high-level carry player. Much like how C9 would be better with almost any other high-level carry, although for different reasons.
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Jul 28, 2015 14:59
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I think the thing with Burning is that the thing that made him special (always getting super farmed) is just standard in 2015 where we have 7k pubstars who can get massively farmed and don't even play competitive. That being said he has a lot of experience and is very good at his style of play. The only carry players I would definitely want over him are Fear, Arteezy, Sylar and EE, though I could be forgetting someone. Illidan is obviously pretty good too.
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Jul 28, 2015 15:04
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Wezlar posted:That being said he has a lot of experience and is very good at his style of play. The only carry players I would definitely want over him are Fear, Arteezy, Sylar and EE, though I could be forgetting someone. Illidan is obviously pretty good too. Ummm...Are you sure about that?
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Jul 28, 2015 15:06
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Andrast posted:Ummm...Are you sure about that? Absolutely yes.
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Jul 28, 2015 15:08
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Wezlar posted:The only carry players I would definitely want over him are Fear, Arteezy, Sylar and EE, Kill me. Kill me now.
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Jul 28, 2015 15:08
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https://instagram.com/p/5qLS4bxWDI/ My favorite field report so far. I hope James and his recruits keep these going the whole event.
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Jul 28, 2015 15:10
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Is there a single resource that has replays along with ratings of the games (highlighting good ones versus less interesting) outside of the dota 2 client?
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Jul 28, 2015 15:15
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Taffer posted:IMO he's the most overrated player in the whole dota scene. He has serious fame and credit when his big skill is 'kill creeps fast". He made some records years ago when dota was all 4p1 and that meta obviously worked for him, but that's not what dota is anymore, and so, so many amazing players have showed up in his own role. His farming speed isn't exceptional anymore, and his overall decision making doesn't stand out. And I think it's pretty indisputable that his presence on a team causes them to be very cautious an disproportionately carry-focused. I think any team with him on it (especially previous DK iterations) would be better served to replace him with any other high-level carry player. I was just messing around, I pretty much agree with this whole post except the C9 thing. Tom Tucker posted:Is there a single resource that has replays along with ratings of the games (highlighting good ones versus less interesting) outside of the dota 2 client? What do you mean the ratings of games? Like, this pro game was really amazing watch it?
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Jul 28, 2015 15:24
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There is something about Sylar that scares me, he just looks so focused and quiet and deadly he's sort of what I imagine the archetypical chinese soldier will act like if we ever go to war with the east 
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Jul 28, 2015 15:28
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mikeraskol posted:What do you mean the ratings of games? Like, this pro game was really amazing watch it? Yeah, in the dota2 client the replays have a simple upvote / downvote button, so you can immediately see if a lot of people gave it a thumbs up then it's likely a good watch, and if 95% of people gave it a thumbs up then again it shows it's a high quality match worth watching. I don't have time to watch them all 
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Jul 28, 2015 15:37
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mikeraskol posted:I was just messing around, I pretty much agree with this whole post except the C9 thing. Yeah the case with EE is very different. He's both a really good player and also literally the worst, simultaneously. Schrodinger's carry, if you will.
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Jul 28, 2015 15:47
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Ramagamma posted:There is something about Sylar that scares me, he just looks so focused and quiet and deadly Look at pictures of him from his original LGD days and then his days in Vici or now. It's like watching a young man become an old man. Taffer posted:He's a great support player, but it would be a stretch to put him on a level with the best support players, but that's never been what set him apart. Na'vi was a powerhouse for almost the entire period that he was the captain, up until the very end when there were obviously some internal issues. There are definitely moments where the drafting meta is so narrow that some creative thinking is required, and outside of a few TI4 games he's really good at that stuff. The problem now, I think, is it seems like that stuff is less necessary now. Everybody knows the most powerful warrior in the game is a sad goatman, and that the second strongest brute is an old man in a crop duster. But after that, you play more to unique situations and your roster than to any obscure meta draft. That's why after the first real full day of TI, and already 60% of the roster has been used. I miss the Puppey/Kuro duo with Navi, but more for the personality and nostalgia. Through a lot of the first half of 2014, it really occurred to me that they did almost no warding, kky can occasionally get really greedy as a support compared to someone like Akke who is often dead last in net worth when his whole team is swimming in gold, and the team basically sensed out where their enemy was by a hunch. Which makes Navi in 2013 even more incredible, but in 2014 it was beginning to result in feeds. Some of the fanboys on other boards were getting furious about the lack of any vision when the losses and early exits started mounting up.
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Jul 28, 2015 16:14
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Taffer posted:Yeah the case with EE is very different. He's both a really good player and also literally the worst, simultaneously. Schrodinger's carry, if you will. Which makes him the best carry as a non-fan watching the team. You either see some amazing play or a you get a hilarious gently caress up. It's win - win.
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Jul 28, 2015 16:15
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EE has great mechanics and theoretical knowledge. His decisionmaking is utter garbage.
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Jul 28, 2015 16:16
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Tom Tucker posted:Yeah, in the dota2 client the replays have a simple upvote / downvote button, so you can immediately see if a lot of people gave it a thumbs up then it's likely a good watch, and if 95% of people gave it a thumbs up then again it shows it's a high quality match worth watching. I don't have time to watch them all Maybe keep an eye on NoobFromUA's Youtube channel. He's pretty good at quickly editing highlight reels of the more impressive pro and pub games, and they usually get posted within like 12 hours.
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Jul 28, 2015 16:21
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C9 vs fnatic and then C9 vs Secret This should be good.
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Jul 28, 2015 16:26
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I find it hard to judge Puppey vs other support duos because Puppey drafts and plays differently than a traditional Chinese roaming duo. Secret is fine as long as s4 wins mid. If he doesn't they look awful because Puppey drafts and Puppey support plays assuming s4 wins mid so he can do greedy support strategies and the whole team falls apart like in their loss yesterday when this doesn't happen. But it isn't often you're going to find yourself saying 'well Puppey hosed up that fight'. He loses when its outdraft and overall outplay, his individual play is consistent as you can ever hope for.
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Jul 28, 2015 16:33
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easy choice for tonights matches I think china show-down and then 2 gamesof jacko mao implosion followed by the na'vi v secret grudge match and then cheering on iceiceice against NA Dotes if I'm still awake/sober enough to comprehend things by that point
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Jul 28, 2015 16:35
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Taffer posted:You don't need to switch roles to be good. Puppey has consistently been one of the strongest and and most unpredictable drafters and captains. He's a great support player, but it would be a stretch to put him on a level with the best support players, but that's never been what set him apart. Na'vi was a powerhouse for almost the entire period that he was the captain, up until the very end when there were obviously some internal issues. Secret is obviously an allstar team so crediting Puppey with all their success is not really possible, but it's very clear that he's brought the team together by all the players doing better than any of their previous team performances. JollyPubJerk posted:I find it hard to judge Puppey vs other support duos because Puppey drafts and plays differently than a traditional Chinese roaming duo.
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Jul 28, 2015 16:42
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Maaaan those C9 vs Navi games were everything you could ever hope for.
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Jul 28, 2015 16:56
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kater posted:Maaaan those C9 vs Speaking of which, EE and Mushi are about to see who can go AFK farm the longest. Should be like one of those Dragonball Z duels where it takes seven episodes of manly screaming to charge up the same attack.
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Jul 28, 2015 16:57
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CampingCarl posted:Puppey is not the drafter for Secret. I'm sure he has no input whatsoever.
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Jul 28, 2015 17:00
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TheRat posted:EE has great mechanics and theoretical knowledge. His decisionmaking is utter garbage.
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Jul 28, 2015 17:05
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Craptacular! posted:Speaking of which, EE and Mushi are about to see who can go AFK farm the longest. Should be like one of those Dragonball Z duels where it takes seven episodes of manly screaming to charge up the same attack. Is Bone7 Krillin or Yamcha in this analogy?
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Jul 28, 2015 17:05
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burning is like zsmj-lite but zsmj had been retired for years and the world forgot what a true carry looks like. then he came to dota2 and never really did much, forever tainting his legacy and burning inherited the title of "expert minion slayer" also ppy owns, best dota2 player all years along with BAI FAN.
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Jul 28, 2015 17:06
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winter looks like a pretty lady with that caked on makeup, they should soften the lighting more
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Jul 28, 2015 17:09
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IcePhoenix posted:Is Bone7 Krillin or Yamcha in this analogy? I actually know who Yamcha is, that's a new one. I actually used to watch syndicated dubbed Dragon Ball non-Z when it was airing at like 6AM and I was like 13. It lasted like six weeks before KBHK pulled it. I saw one episode of Z and thought "well if this is the future, I want out."
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Jul 28, 2015 17:10
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C9/Fnatic is the match to watch of the first series, right?
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Jul 28, 2015 17:12
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Radical posted:"expert minion slayer" You traitorous FUCKj
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Jul 28, 2015 17:12
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Jul 28, 2015 17:13
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IcePhoenix posted:Is Bone7 Krillin or Yamcha in this analogy? n0Tail is Bulma
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Jul 28, 2015 17:14
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Josh Lyman posted:C9/Fnatic is the match to watch of the first series, right? Probably. C9 hasn't let us down yet.
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Jul 28, 2015 17:15
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Josh Lyman posted:C9/Fnatic is the match to watch of the first series, right? If you get bored of it, Navi/Complexity is an Owen and Dad cast between two teams that I think have never faced each other. Edit: Navi takes Wyvern AND Shaker.
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Jul 28, 2015 17:16
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Craptacular! posted:If you get bored of it, Navi/Complexity is an Owen and Dad cast between two teams that I think have never faced each other. Complexity takes the sisters. How often does that happen and does it ever win?
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Jul 28, 2015 17:19
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Jul 28, 2015 17:20
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Ambivalent posted:
That poo poo was so 
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Jul 28, 2015 17:20
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Ambivalent posted:
All these videos have been so good. I've watched n0tail, complexity brothers and now Kecik so far. EDIT: Looks like their is also a Sumail one on the dota2 youtube channel.
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Jul 28, 2015 17:21
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Complexity I was going to cheer for you and then you went and picked Naga 
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Jul 28, 2015 17:22
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Na'Vi looks like they are going to steamroll Complexity with this draft
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