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Y-Hat posted:Are there any YouTube clips available of that scene where Bugs Bunny dresses up like a slave and begs to whichever character he's trying to psyche out by saying something to the effect of, "Sorry massa, don't whip me massa!" (Edit: Yep! And he was loving around with Yosemite Sam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8D93Awa434) Personally I've never seen the smoking parts in old cartoons to be problematic, especially since if someone's smoking it'll often backfire on them in some way in these sorts of things, not to mention they often bring up the disgusting aspects of smoking if there's any direct focus on it, if I weren't posting from my phone I'd link that Goofy short from the George Geef years where he tries to quit smoking for exactly those reasons(that and the short is freaking hilarious) Also while there's often some uncomfortable racial moments in old animation and comics, I think it's better to use that sort of thing for educational reasons than to just bury it behind a wall of shame(humor makes a better teacher than shame in my opinion when it comes to showing kids about why racism and other forms of prejudice are bad), not to mention it's often funny if for different reasons than originally intended(for how ridiculous people could be back then about that sort of thing, instead of the various reasons people found that sort of thing funny back then)
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drrockso20 posted:Personally I've never seen the smoking parts in old cartoons to be problematic, especially since if someone's smoking it'll often backfire on them in some way in these sorts of things, not to mention they often bring up the disgusting aspects of smoking if there's any direct focus on it, if I weren't posting from my phone I'd link that Goofy short from the George Geef years where he tries to quit smoking for exactly those reasons(that and the short is freaking hilarious) Yeah, I don't think I've seen an example in a Looney Tune where smoking is cool. Usually it just ends up with Daffy Duck or someone smoking a stick of dynamite.
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TwoPair posted:Yeah, I don't think I've seen an example in a Looney Tune where smoking is cool. Usually it just ends up with Daffy Duck or someone smoking a stick of dynamite. Off the top of my head smoking itself is never shown to be cool, but they have used it to indicate that someone is cool(or at least trying to be cool), although they also tended to show smoking as being somewhat respectable in moderation(which makes sense since this was before people realized that Smoking really could kill you, and not just people who smoked 5 packs in a day) It's kinda interesting when in comparison you see how Animation tends to treat other forms of recreational drugs over the years(like how Weed is generally treated in a mostly positive manner outside of a handful of incredibly hamfisted afterschool specials and episodes in the 80's and 90's)
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Jul 29, 2015 09:45
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I don't think cigars or cigarettes were considered to be "for kids" though, anyway. I base this off The Music Man where in "Ya Got Trouble", part of the manufactured moral panic about is telling the parents their kids are smoking and covering it up with what amounts to breath mints. Though the musical is from the late '50s, it's set in 1912. Though obviously I could be off base/it could be an anachronism in the musical/it could've been a regional thing/whatever else.
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Jul 29, 2015 10:35
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A part of all that anti-drug rhetoric was just following the general panic that led to all the tough on crime zeal of the 80s-90s that brought about things like mandatory sentences. But you can't talk about anti-drugs in cartoons without the crown jewel of shame, Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue. A film where a kid is literally tortured and scared into going cold turkey by Bugs Bunny, The Ninja Turtles, Garfield and The Muppet Babies. Even if it gives off the bad side message that if you want to see cartoons in the flesh, you better take a whiff of that Mary J. Still, I'm kind of glad those days are seemingly gone as you don't have to count the guaranteed anti-smoking villain in the roster anymore that you'd have in poo poo like Bravestar or C.O.P.S. I swear, some of those cartoons treated kids as the dumbest things alive with how every part of whatever bad guy organization your protagonists were fighting against, there was a complete set bad traits each one of your bad guys personified in perfect political cartoon fashion.
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So I watched the last Star vs. The Forces of Evil. Freeze Day and Royal Pain were both fun episodes but it it so weird how different the animation was between the two. Freeze Day was on-par with any of the other really quality animation on TV nowadays, and Royal Pain looked like it was 100% done in Flash. Like smooth traditional animation vs lots of motion tweening and whatnot. It's a fun show and I'm really enjoying it, those two episodes back-to-back had a very clear difference in budget that I've never noticed in other 11-minute shows. Edit: Also, We Bare Bears is great so far, and the Estelle theme song is catchy as hell.
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Jul 29, 2015 15:22
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The Helios huge-round-head-with-a-tiny-face character looked like he got lost on his way to Regular Show.
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Jul 29, 2015 16:27
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Depiction of smoking is heavily discouraged these days. I don't even know if it was ever really common in children's cartoons, aside from the odd celebratory cigar, or maybe a pipe, although half the time those just blow bubbles. I remember when I watched a DVD of Miyazaki's The Wind Rises, and they actually inserted an anti-smoking advert into the beginning to counteract the period-accurate depiction of people smoking constantly.
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All I know is that when I started smoking cigarettes, it wasn't because of old Looney Toons cartoons. And all I also know is that my deciding to quit wasn't because of Cartoon All-Stars To the Rescue. Real talk though: Having an ex-con come to my middle school and tell us about the time he cut off one of his fingers because he was high on PCP did more to keep me off drugs than cartoon PSA's ever did. El Tortuga fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jul 29, 2015 |
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Vaping is the hot new thing now anyway. I'd wager that most kids think of cigarette smoking as something adults used to do a thousand years ago, given that most Gen Xers and Millennials were pelted with anti-smoking messages while we were growing up, and the last time I saw someone smoking a cigarette, it was an old lady in a casino. drrockso20 posted:Also while there's often some uncomfortable racial moments in old animation and comics, I think it's better to use that sort of thing for educational reasons than to just bury it behind a wall of shame(humor makes a better teacher than shame in my opinion when it comes to showing kids about why racism and other forms of prejudice are bad), not to mention it's often funny if for different reasons than originally intended(for how ridiculous people could be back then about that sort of thing, instead of the various reasons people found that sort of thing funny back then) Yep, indeed. A lot of those jokes just seem surreal and bizarre now.
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On the one hand, we have literally every study ever done on media consumption and tobacco use. On the other hand, we have a bunch of goons going off of their gut feelings.
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Tartarus Sauce posted:Vaping is the hot new thing now anyway. There's a ton of anti-Scottish racism that I hope predicts what the blackface/American Indian poo poo will look like to kids a few generations from now--in that as a kid I couldn't even figure out that it was supposed to be racist.
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Sleeveless posted:On the one hand, we have literally every study ever done on media consumption and tobacco use. IIRC the last kid's cartoon that featured any character smoking was Rocko's Modern Life. Rocko's boss at the comic book shop was always chomping on a cigar, at least in the early seasons.
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Y-Hat posted:Are there any YouTube clips available of that scene where Bugs Bunny dresses up like a slave and begs to whichever character he's trying to psyche out by saying something to the effect of, "Sorry massa, don't whip me massa!" (Edit: Yep! And he was loving around with Yosemite Sam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8D93Awa434) Compared to some of the first couple decades of Looney Tunes / Merrie Melodies, that's barely a blip on the hosed Up Racist poo poo scale. Personally I'm surprised they still show Ballot Box Bunny, which has a russian roulette scene at the end: https://youtu.be/urs8bz-OFCg?t=5m58s I've posted this one before because I remember as a kid that some airings of this ended with the "Dark Horse? Mare?" line, but according to Wikipedia one station ended it right after the cut to black / gunshot which leaves it ambiguous at best as to whether Bugs blew his brains out, which I've always found darkly amusing. raditts fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jul 30, 2015 |
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Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies wasn't even originally a kids' cartoon. How it managed to become one is strange considering how much poo poo was on it in the old days.
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So We Bare Bears is one of the funniest things now. It's so grounded in the 21st century, and I think the first one to truly do so. All of the other cartoons have 80's throwbacks, (even Gravity Falls has a retro vibe I can't put my finger on) but this seems like a keeper. It may not be timeless per-se, but it works really well for now.
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Zorglorfian posted:So We Bare Bears is one of the funniest things now. It's so grounded in the 21st century, and I think the first one to truly do so. All of the other cartoons have 80's throwbacks, (even Gravity Falls has a retro vibe I can't put my finger on) but this seems like a keeper. It may not be timeless per-se, but it works really well for now. I agree. It's super cute, all of the bears are really neat in their own way. Every time I think Grizz is going to start bugging me, he backs off a bit. Though, I do marvel at Ice Bear.
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PicklePants posted:I agree. It's super cute, all of the bears are really neat in their own way. Every time I think Grizz is going to start bugging me, he backs off a bit. The thing that I think will outlast the show will be the so far amazing Ice Bear quotes. #IceBearForPresident
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Zorglorfian posted:So We Bare Bears is one of the funniest things now. It's so grounded in the 21st century, and I think the first one to truly do so. All of the other cartoons have 80's throwbacks, (even Gravity Falls has a retro vibe I can't put my finger on) but this seems like a keeper. It may not be timeless per-se, but it works really well for now. I haven't watched the show yet, but I saw a clip of them trying to get a video of theirs popular on youtube. And they go to a meme site and they have a little argument over how the word "meme" is pronounced and I thought that poo poo was funny as hell and was like "this show is alright"
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Zorglorfian posted:The thing that I think will outlast the show will be the so far amazing Ice Bear quotes. Ice Bear obtained these legally.
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I guess I'll have to give the bear show a look, the promos made it look like absolute poo poo but Cartoon Network has a habit of making all its shows look like poo poo in the pre-air promos.
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raditts posted:I guess I'll have to give the bear show a look, the promos made it look like absolute poo poo but Cartoon Network has a habit of making all its shows look like poo poo in the pre-air promos. How could anyone think that with #bearstack ?
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raditts posted:I guess I'll have to give the bear show a look, the promos made it look like absolute poo poo but Cartoon Network has a habit of making all its shows look like poo poo in the pre-air promos. CN Promos are always horrible. It's a new show that CN probably has barely any idea about. Give it a shot, though. It really hits 21st-century culture in a great way.
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Panda drawing bad anime faces is my favorite thing
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Sockser posted:Panda drawing bad anime faces is my favorite thing Girl be sellin' sunshine.
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Zorglorfian posted:So We Bare Bears is one of the funniest things now. It's so grounded in the 21st century, and I think the first one to truly do so. All of the other cartoons have 80's throwbacks, (even Gravity Falls has a retro vibe I can't put my finger on) but this seems like a keeper. It may not be timeless per-se, but it works really well for now. We Bare Bears has a lot of tiny things that gives it that "modern" feeling, although I may be overthinking some of those : Panda putting on his contacts in the morning, the electric toothbrush, the omnipresence of social media and the internet, laptops everywhere, etc.
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Zorglorfian posted:So We Bare Bears is one of the funniest things now. It's so grounded in the 21st century, and I think the first one to truly do so. So it's not the first show to be 21st century, but it probably uses it to the greatest effect- at least judging from the most recent episode.
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Sockser posted:Panda drawing bad anime faces is my favorite thing But they were so rendered!
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Zorglorfian posted:CN Promos are always horrible. Ugh, yes. Whenever a CN promo or bumper comes on, and I comment that a show is actually good, my family or my non-cartoon-watching friends will look at me like I've just compared Biodome to Citizen Kane. I wonder how many children also find the promos insulting or annoying?
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Tartarus Sauce posted:I wonder how many children also find the promos insulting or annoying? Last time I overheard the opinions of some kids watching CN, I was at a hotel's breakfast buffet and they had CN playing on the TV in the dining room. Some kids at a table or so over were complaining about how bad Teen Titans Go! was and wished they'd put LEGO's Ninjago back on after a bumper for TTG! played.
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Sockser posted:Panda drawing bad anime faces is my favorite thing How did this show find my myspace from back in 2005!? 
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I sat all the way through the Wander Over Yonder season premiere and it was worth it for Lord Dominator.
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johntfs posted:I sat all the way through the Wander Over Yonder season premiere and it was worth it for Lord Dominator. Someone said the show's finally popular now that they have an attractive female character, and they're probably right.
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Whiz Palace posted:Someone said the show's finally popular now that they have an attractive female character, and they're probably right. That wasn't really it for me. I liked that Lord Dominator was a total gamer-style nerd and that reveal clarified her earlier actions (her overpowered vessel and minions, her total concentration and ability to completely ignore Wander's distractions, her efficient response to intruders aboard her ship. I also liked that the person who saved the heroes was Commander Peepers and that Wander was completely irrelevant to saving the day this time.
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ThermoPhysical posted:Last time I overheard the opinions of some kids watching CN, I was at a hotel's breakfast buffet and they had CN playing on the TV in the dining room. Oh, so they're the kids that keep Ninjago and that lego thundercats show still being made, season after season. I wonder how those sorts of kids react to Regular Show or Steven Universe. Would they see it as too old for them or too melodramatic?
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ThermoPhysical posted:Last time I overheard the opinions of some kids watching CN, I was at a hotel's breakfast buffet and they had CN playing on the TV in the dining room. I can think of worse things to like on CN than Ninjago.
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My kids are Lego fanatics and they won't even watch those lovely Lego shows.
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Welp, now we know what the equivalent of 'He-man/Transformers/G.I. Joe' for the post millennials is. Boy will they be in for a shock 20 years from now.
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ConanThe3rd posted:I can think of worse things to like on CN than Ninjago. I remember finding the first season to be surprisingly good, second season kinda dropped the ball hard for most of it, haven't had a chance to see the other seasons yet though, show would probably be better received if it weren't in LEGO style though
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Today I learned that bears have lots of feelings. And that's a beautiful thing. (I started watching We Bare Bears today. It's good.)
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