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Indian Poker is fine, its the dumb let it ride rule! I hate it, I hate it so much As somebody who used to be a fairly serious poker player it actually offends me. All of that said I'm not mad about who ended up staying and it will be really interesting if Kyungran and Jungmoon ever are in a position to clash in future how that goes. Though honestly if she watches the broadcast she'll see that Jungmoon position was completely untenable. Really a poorly played game by Rebels and really its too bad since Jungmoon being the source of the pattern could have really been used to great effect.
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Chainsawdomy posted:As far as the main match goes Jungmoon really screwed the pooch on this one. There was no reason for her to give out that much of pi. Sure, it made her look trustworthy at first, but they don't need her identity to win, and it meant the loyalists were able to keep the numbers so low Yoohyun couldn't make the big move he needed to. I was ok with her betrayal when I thought Kyungran might not be a rebel and it was a double-play. Once it turned out Jungmoon was just protecting herself...she really botched this game for her team. I hope Kyungran will be gunning for her in the future. Do we know if the rebels knew each others identity?
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BSam posted:Do we know if the rebels knew each others identity? Yeah bandage hyung said they'd be told and the dealer gave each of the color of the other rebels badges.
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Zythrst posted:Yeah bandage hyung said they'd be told and the dealer gave each of the color of the other rebels badges. Cheers, that's what I get for trying to pay attention at 3am.
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Zythrst posted:Indian Poker is fine, its the dumb let it ride rule! I hate it, I hate it so much As somebody who used to be a fairly serious poker player it actually offends me. All of that said I'm not mad about who ended up staying and it will be really interesting if Kyungran and Jungmoon ever are in a position to clash in future how that goes. Though honestly if she watches the broadcast she'll see that Jungmoon position was completely untenable. Really a poorly played game by Rebels and really its too bad since Jungmoon being the source of the pattern could have really been used to great effect. It's hard to tell how difficult that game was for the loyalists to stay under 1000, but it looked like, from what they showed at the end, it wasn't easy (and it would've been even more difficult if Jungmoon didn't give them all those digits of pi, or even if she'd given them like 30 digits or thrown in a few fakes for their own turns).
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I was about to get down on Jungmoon for not faking numbers but thinking about it she wouldn't just have to make some fake numbers, she would also have to work out how far the stacks had advanced by her turn so she could come up with a plausible lie while also matching it to the genuine numbers she was going to be given by the dealers. Which is a lot to think about on the fly and would take much longer than the time she had. At the end of the day, it was lovely but betraying probably was the best move for her personally. I think this would have been a very interesting game if the producers hadn't been lumped with someone from the tiny percentage of people who can remember pi to 70 places.
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Fast Luck posted:Jungmoon could have denied being a rebel. Could have said, "Why would a rebel give you 100 digits of pi?" Could have said, "Of course I wanted to be the last king, I'm the most clear loyalist we've got! What the hell?!?!" But instead she folded. Dongmin was really drat good at picking out the rebels though. When he correctly names them all to her, she cracked... but they really only knew Yoohyun and he successfully raised one of the rows to 99 on his way out (too bad for him they were all still single digits on his turn). Yoohyun blew up his own spot by writing nonsense into his notes and getting caught at it, and people picked up on Kyungran's behavior - but she still nearly swayed them with her denials. Jungmoon cannot lie, it sunk her in season 1 Zombie game as well. It just makes her more adorable 
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Betrayal was the best move for her short-term (even though they still almost jailed her!!), but I just disagree with whoever said continuing was untenable. However, Dongmin is freaky good so who knows. Another reason faking numbers wouldn't be possible is because turn order varies based on who happens to be in jail... but I feel like Jungmoon could have given a lot of numbers to build up loyalist cred without giving THAT many.
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I liked the idea of the main game but in practice it seemed kind of weak. The game seemed like it facilitated the rebels outing each other to protect themselves, buuut if one of them does that right at the start then there's literally no game. Thankfully that didn't happen but it seems like if you expect the other traitors to betray you then your only move is to betray them first. I mean yeah a rebel could lie about the other traitors, but betraying 2 people both of whom immediately get put into the deathmatch seems like a much safer move than betraying 6 people. Ditching the team you were assigned to also seems like a more understandable/acceptable move than actively pursuing an agreement with people then immediately breaking it. Anyway Dongmin's intuition continues to be scarily accurate, I liked Yooyhun's big traitor reveal, I liked Jungmoon just happening to know the first ~70 digits of pi... but she didn't really try to do anything useful with that information (yeah it would've been difficult to manipulate things to her advantage but she actively hindered her own team by revealing it) and I didn't like her self-serving betrayal of the other traitors. In the end it seemed like they spent more time agonizing over how to control the elimination candidates than how to win the game and I guess I preferred the "deliberately lose the game then pick the right opponents" move back in S3. I also thought Dongmin could've just accused Jungmoon without giving her a deal escape route (it seems like she had real difficulty denying the accusation), and I think the Jungmoon + Yoohyun pick would've been safer than Kyungran + Yoohyun. As for the deathmatch. I have a distinct distaste for indian poker, the worst game was obviously the Jinho vs Jiwon match but still this game was decided by just 2 decisions. Kyungran calling when she had a 10, Kyungran calling when they both had 1s. In both instances she was totally on the fence about which decision to make and happened to choose the right one, had she gone the other way we would've seen a completely different outcome. I guess my problem is that the more aggressively you play the more luck dependent it gets, but the game seems designed to encourage aggressive play (no betting limit, big penalties for folding with a 10). And the let it ride rule is just terrible. People have said it was Yoohyun (and Jinho's) fault for putting themselves in those coinflip positions, but I really disagree because it's the sort of game you can lose very quickly on a bad fold. So yeah there are elements of strategy and psychology to it, but fundamentally it's a game where the best player in the world can easily lose to the worst one. Prior to this season I liked Kyungran more than Yoohyun so I'm okay with the outcome, but so far in S4 Kyungran hasn't really done anything meanwhile Yoohyun seems a lot stronger than he was in S3. Kyungran seems to become more prominent as the player count dwindles though so maybe it'll work out. Elite fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Jul 29, 2015 |
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I don't think that's fair at all. For the first one, she spent some time but it was completely in line with the tips she'd recieved from Dongmin and her own reflections on the game with Jinho where folding in that exact situation backfired hard. It was also a perfectly good move in general. Her time spent was probably mostly a combination of trying to keep track of what cards had come up and making sure she wasn't missing something obvious. The second call was a literal no-brainer given she could see Yoohyun had a 1. She had no way of losing at all! She'd have to choke as hard as Yeon-joo at Monorail to not call! It WAS basically random luck that they both had 1s and that ending up loving over Yoohyun, but there was never ever a chance Kyungran wouldn't call so calling it a decision at all is silly, much less one she was on the fence about. E: Like even if she knew they both had a 1 it'd be a tough decision whether to risk a 50/50 for win/reset versus ceding him some gems and staying in the lead, but given his poker experience I think she might have gone for it. Since that wasn't the case and all the other options were her just straight-up winning... Insurrectionist fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jul 29, 2015 |
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This was a pretty poor episode, with one of the worst main matches the show has had and then a lame death match to boot. Jungmoon is just so inept, the only time she ever seems to contribute anything to the matches is when she's sabotaging her team. She's the only player left I won't be sad to see eliminated, so losing a decent player like Yooyhun over her is a real shame.
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A couple of thoughts on the latest ep, which I liked. Man, did they ever give Jungmoon the evil edit. Having Yoohyun predict early on that she has a tendency to betray people at the drop of a hat, and then immediately cutting to her doing just that was pretty funny. Despite just barely saving herself for this round, she comes off looking terrible, whereas Yoohyun looks noble for sacrificing his identity to help the team and Kyungran continues being a trustworthy saint. Not to mention Jungmoon completely screwed her team over with her impulsive announcement of knowing Pi. If she had just played dumb, no one else there seemed to know any values beyond the first 4-5. Her spoon-feeding the pattern to the loyalists basically locked out any potential sneaky play on the rebels' part. Dongmin made the right strategic choice as king, though. If he had gone back on his word at the end, he would have lost everyone's trust in him going forward. The deathmatch seemed fine to me. It was terrible luck that both players ended up with a 1, but Kyungran was absolutely out-playing Yoohyun up until then, and she earned the win anyways. Question: Isn't gambling illegal in South Korea? How exactly does one become a professional poker player under those circumstances?
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S4E5: Pi was almost too obvious of a pattern. I would have liked to see some fibbonacci variant or the square root of 2 or some cryptography in the number. Jungmoon has a grand self preservation instinct. I don't fault her for it, but she's not going to go very far alone. She always betrays at behest of someone else. Titty God's sherlocking is great. He is a delight this season in how unabashedly wrong he is at times. He is actually smart, but puts his confidence in odd places. Death match is indian poker. Kyungran outplayed him. The tie was due to Kyungran correctly playing to his raise. The randomness of the next hand either had her win or reset the game. The right person won, just faster than she would have if they just returned chips on a tie. qbert posted:Question: Isn't gambling illegal in South Korea? How exactly does one become a professional poker player under those circumstances? They showed him gambling in America during season 3. Yoohyun actually has an American accent in English so I guess he spends a lot of time there. Edit: He goes by "Dennis Kim" in America, evidently. CommaToes fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jul 29, 2015 |
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qbert posted:Question: Isn't gambling illegal in South Korea? How exactly does one become a professional poker player under those circumstances? I know there are some casinos there that foreigners only are allowed to enter. I think there is one that Koreans can use, but it's not by a major city center. As far as poker, you aren't that far away from Macau or various other casinos in the region.
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I don't get all the animosity towards the episode. I rather liked it. It's true that Jungmoon handled it rather poorly though. She had the perfect excuse for sabotage and did nothing with it. But I don't blame her for caving and betraying the rebels because, let's face it, how are you supposed to outplay Dongmin when he has so much on you? But I do agree she should have at least tried to sell them on the wrong person. Jungmoon is by far one of the weakest players there, so her mistake this episode aren't surprising. As for the deathmatch, Yoohyun dug his own grave. Sure, the last round was luck of the draw, but going all in right after his reading of Kyungran was proved wrong was silly. He was being way too greedy there, and that's what got him. But really, Kyungran's meta mind games was what really won her the match. I think her talk beforehand threw Yoohyun off. Rarity posted:Jungmoon memorised Pi "for fun"??? My group of buddies had a fad in middle school where we would try to memorize as much of pi as we could (this was followed by the Rubick's Cube obsession). One guy, who everyone agreed was the smartest guy in the school, had at least a hundred digits memorized before we got bored of it. How smart is that guy now you ask? I wouldn't be surprised if he picked up a nobel prize or two in his lifetime. ViggyNash fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jul 29, 2015 |
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Dongmin loving calling out Jongmoon like a boss, dude is on the ball always. That was definitely a highlight for me.
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Insurrectionist posted:I don't think that's fair at all. For the first one, she spent some time but it was completely in line with the tips she'd recieved from Dongmin and her own reflections on the game with Jinho where folding in that exact situation backfired hard. It was also a perfectly good move in general. Her time spent was probably mostly a combination of trying to keep track of what cards had come up and making sure she wasn't missing something obvious. The second call was a literal no-brainer given she could see Yoohyun had a 1. She had no way of losing at all! She'd have to choke as hard as Yeon-joo at Monorail to not call! It WAS basically random luck that they both had 1s and that ending up loving over Yoohyun, but there was never ever a chance Kyungran wouldn't call so calling it a decision at all is silly, much less one she was on the fence about. Okay I'll concede the point that the second call was an easy decision for Kyungran (the show tried to make it look like it was a big dramatic decision though). Which means the game was won by one real decision and one coin-flip. How is that any better? The first decision was basically a gamble between "I have a 10 and my opponent is playing aggressively to make me fold", "I have a weak card and my opponent is playing bizarrely aggressively to take advantage of that" and "I have a weak/moderate card and my opponent is trying to make me think I have a 10". Yes Kyungran made the right play based on the cards but I think the odds on that gamble depend more on who your opponent is than what cards have come up (under the circumstances, knowing how confident and aggressive Yoohyun was playing it was probably correct to call for that reason too). And Indian Poker always seems to be decided by those 50-50 choices, if you guess correctly twice in a row you win the game. But I don't think anybody has a 100% read on their opponent, which makes those critical decisions seem kind of arbitrary and luck-based to me (which in turn means I don't have much respect for people's wins on Indian Poker). I mean I like it when people use their intuition to suddenly leap to the correct conclusion (e.g. Sangmin correctly guessing the zombies, Dongmin correctly gauging the traitors), but in a 50-50 decision it's much less impressive. So I think the only Indian Poker games I've found even slightly interesting were the long protracted ones where it kind of became more of a psychological battle than a card game, and even then luck could've won or lost the match very quickly.
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I learnt it to about 30 for pretty much the same reason so I don't blame jungmoon at all. Also the captions of her listing the numbers were wrong
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Mafia on this forum has ruined me. I saw Kyungran thinking up every possible excuse why someone might be forced to put out a bad number at the start of the main match and knew right away that she was one of the rebels. Honestly, I'm not sure Jungmoon could have done much at the point where she betrayed them. Dongmin was really certain on Kyungran, and if she named anyone else, he would have been suspicious and just thrown her in jail. Jungmoon's real mistake was not taking advantage of everyone in the town eating out of her hand with the numbers she was giving, or just going "oh, I know pi to the 30'th place or something way less. Also insisting she be last king that one time. Seeing how slow everything was going this episode, you just knew the deathmatch was going to be quick, so that kinda gave away what was going to happen very early on.
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ViggyNash posted:I don't get all the animosity towards the episode. I rather liked it. Kyungran did outplay Yoohyun, I guess, but only on exactly one hand, the one where he tried to bluff her 10 and she called it. I agree with what Elite is saying in this regard. Outside of that neither of them really did anything of note. She folded a couple times when he had high cards, and then they called each other when the other had a 1. That was absolutely the right move from Yoohyun given that a) he knew she had a 1, so he couldn't lose, and worst case is he gets a 50/50 chance in the redraw, and b) he was far down in chips and that was the perfect chance to climb out instead of being dinked away into oblivion. Seriously though, Dongmin nailing both Kyungran and Jungmoon after just a couple of rounds and without either of them even putting in harmful numbers was pretty amazing.
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That game was pretty much Battlestar, but it feels like they really hobbled the rebel team without giving them a way to make a comeback. I'd like to see how this would have played out if Jungmoon didn't reveal that she knew pi, or if she didn't betray everyone, because I still think they would have lost. Dongmin was going to find out who the rebels were, and then could just blow up the game when he was sure. Giving the rebel team the ability to make a comeback or sabatoge the game after being thrown in jail would have given them less incentive to just blow up the game and reveal their team. Of all the games on this show, the team based social interaction games have been the worst, honestly.
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Ok thread it's time for me to reveal that I'm actually the Pi King around here.  I just really liked this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDMBtQjS1bQ and knew all 200 digits that it recites. It started as a few digits but then suddenly I couldn't stop myself and suddenly I memorized the entire song in a week.  My memory is pretty lovely in general though. I checked how much I still knew it while I was watching today and it was around 110 that I got a "verse" wrong. drat, what a waste of brain space. Anyway, the pi gimmick was pretty lame. Of course I bet Jungmoon mentioned it in an interview, this is such a silly thing that a mensa person would do... Something like maybe prime numbers would be much more fun and subtle. It'd be hilarious to disable people like Hyunmin from the game to calculate more prime numbers just like in the Cube movie. CommaToes posted:S4E5: Pi was almost too obvious of a pattern. I would have liked to see some fibbonacci variant or the square root of 2 or some cryptography in the number. Oh yeah, some square root would be great! Symbolic Butt fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jul 30, 2015 |
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Max posted:I'd like to see how this would have played out if Jungmoon didn't reveal that she knew pi, or if she didn't betray everyone, because I still think they would have lost. Well her hand was kinda forced since it was one of the guys (can't remember which) who piped up with her knowing a ton of digits off pi. Was she gonna deny it? That'd be suspicious as hell too. But yeah, even before the pi reveal or finding out Jungmoon was on the Rebel team, the game looked fairly stacked against the Rebels I thought. Like it was made to get a Rebel to betray their team.
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The more I think about it, the more it really was stacked against the rebels. At least in something like Battlestar, your contribution to a mission succeeding is hidden, and there are always two spoiler cards in there so that no one can just immediately tell it was you who threw the mission. Here, you always knew what someone put up, and once they figured out the Pi thing, whoops can't even hide which numbers you got. There were really no interesting things that team could do to win and everything seemed to be built around getting them tense enough so that one would break before the others do. I actually don't blame Jungmoon for giving up at that point, because they were like, 90 percent on Kyungran anyway and it was the only way to definitely avoid being in the death match.
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Only thing I could think of which might be mathematically impossible and was kinda shot by Dongmin's intuition was play it completely straight until they reached the decimals Jungmoon 'didn't know' and then go all-in on one side. She claimed ~70 numbers and the total number to fill both rows would be 120, so they'd have a bit under half the board to play on. However, the problem with this is that between Kyunghoon and Dongmin all three of them were under serious suspicion so at least one would almost certainly be in jail, most likely two. Additionally, hiding their Rebel status after doing so seems just about impossible so the Loyalist team shouldn't have much trouble picking out two of them for the final jail. I dunno, even without pi and poor poker faces it seems like it'd be tough, they'd be relying on Loyalist players getting only high numbers or needing a high one but only getting low and being forced to add a digit, to divert attention and get closer to their target.
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Main game itself mechanically was fine, even if you're salty about how it all played out. I like the Pi pattern; it was just played wrong by Jungmoon. If she doesn't reveal all the numbers ahead of time, it because a lot easier for the rebels to subtlely increase the counts. To those pushing for her to start engineering numbers to help the rebels win, there's not much opportunity to do that; the numbers she reads don't magically appear. She would be found out immediately in that case. It would have been nice though if there were a way the rebels could have actually communicated. I picked up on Jungmoon being a rebel immediately once she tried using the Pi digits to try to become King. I was hoping Jungmoon could have done something to secure her safety once she betrayed. "If you're not going to put me up at the end, give me your garnets, and I'll give them back to you after the game" Likewise, I picked up at Kyungran at the end, and I was surprised no one else did (or they didn't show it). There were two tells for me- 1. Once the deal was made, nobody on the "outside" was petitioning for them to stick to the deal instead of putting Jungmoon in. If there was a rebel still outside, they would almost certainly be pushing as hard as possible to keep Jungmoon out. 2. Kyungran was pushing way too hard to get out as well; if she were a loyalist and she remains in jail, what's the harm? She loses the game, but she likely wouldn't be picked, whereas if she's a rebel, she's definitely going to the death match. A loyalist wouldn't be pushing so hard to get out of jail. Overall, this episode showed everybody's playing the game, in contrast to every other season. And that's wonderful. Still was a great episode even if it's not as great as the earlier episodes this season. It was far better than the bad/mediocre episodes of S1/2/3 ever were.
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Am I the only one who feels like they shouldn't have revealed that Dongmin was a loyalist? It cut speculation for the viewers that maybe Dongmin was being a magnificent rebel... This game just needed Sangmin (as a rebel of course). Dongmin dictating things isn't as fun...
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Friendly disagreement time! 1. I'm pretty sure that if there had been another rebel, they just would've focused on not drawing attention at this point. Like Sangmin once said, winning or losing don't really matter, your goal is always to be sure to come back the next day. By that logic, a lone rebel would either win if Kyungran was chosen, or be out of the deathmatch if Jungmoon was chosen. 2. Eh, Kyungran (until now) always struck me as extremely honest and hard working for her team, I saw it as her trying to save her teammates and being frustrated at not being believed. Up until the reveal, I thought they were going for another risky "choose the deathmatch" strategy that was about to backfire on them. I was really worried about Dongmin's decision there, as Jungmoon would have made the same move 100% either way, so trusting her was a risk. He was totally safe at that point anyway, so it seems a little unfair to gamble with all his other teammates' lives. He chose right of course, you can't discount the reads you get in person and not on the show, but still, it was a risk. Symbolic Butt posted:Am I the only one who feels like they shouldn't have revealed that Dongmin was a loyalist? It cut speculation for the viewers that maybe Dongmin was being a magnificent rebel... You need a point of view in episodes like these, and they chose the effective leader of the loyalists. Being unsure of his loyalty would've completely changed the tone of his dilemma. Eponymous fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Jul 30, 2015 |
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It's a new page everyone, you don't have to spoiler tag it up anymore.Eponymous posted:You need a point of view in episodes like these, and they chose the effective leader of the loyalists. Being unsure of his loyalty would've completely changed the tone of his dilemma. Yeah, the fact that they revealed him but nobody else so early struck me during the episode as well. I was even like "oh, so the story they're going to be focusing on Dongmin being a faithful leader against the rest of the troublemakers. Greaaaat..." Just like Season 3, this game hasn't had any individual puzzle games yet. From the preview, we won't have that next week either. I've really been missing those, so I hope they bring them back.
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It'd be risky. Anything less would make her the obviously a Rebel, so her participation in the game would get shot. Then if anyone else secretly knew a lot of pi digits as well, it wouldn't even help that much if at all. Even without it, the rebels numbers reduced by 33% would make it incredibly tough for them to hide sabotage attempts even if the Loyalist team couldn't confirm the digits each player got I think. And as I mentioned before, a solvable game where if someone on the majority team solves it they're guaranteed the win and if someone on the minority team finds it they can barely make use of it is bad design in my opinion.
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Suspicious Dish posted:Yeah, the fact that they revealed him but nobody else so early struck me during the episode as well. I was even like "oh, so the story they're going to be focusing on Dongmin being a faithful leader against the rest of the troublemakers. Greaaaat..." I was so hyped for Jungmoon taking advantage of Dongmin's loyalty, that'd justify the whole story point of view for me. I guess people just DIDN'T suspect Dongmin at all, which is weird and not really one of the things that the game designers accounted for. So there was no way to create suspense over his status without making it sound cheap.
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Symbolic Butt posted:I guess people just DIDN'T suspect Dongmin at all, which is weird and not really one of the things that the game designers accounted for. So there was no way to create suspense over his status without making it sound cheap. Well they all had to trust someone, and at that point Dongmin had basically pre-emptively shut down every possible Rebel strategy AND correctly pointed the finger at Jungmoon. Now if he had happened to be the last Rebel himself, that would have been next-level legendary poo poo, but on the surface all of his actions were basically as perfect a Loyalist as you could be without knowing for sure someone's status.
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Suspicious Dish posted:It's a new page everyone, you don't have to spoiler tag it up anymore. Even though I've seen the episode now, I disagree with this at this point; the thread moves too fast nowadays. The episode hasn't even been up for a day yet.
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