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Cricket
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Blackface in crowd 129 55.36%
References to Lord of the Rings 104 44.64%
Total: 233 votes
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Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002

No Obvious Flaws



He's such a nice young man, well played Finn.

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Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD

Burn Down Canberra posted:

It's deeply concerning the lack of batting depth in Australia.

Looking at the Australia A team currently playing India A we have
Bancroft, age 22 (avg 34)
Khawaja, 28 (39, 25 in tests)
Burns, 25 (41)
Handscomb, 24 (35)
Ferguson 30, (39)
Stoinis, 25 (40)

None of the them are ginger though

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Seams posted:

Looking at the Australia A team currently playing India A we have
Bancroft, age 22 (avg 34)
Khawaja, 28 (39, 25 in tests)
Burns, 25 (41)
Handscomb, 24 (35)
Ferguson 30, (39)
Stoinis, 25 (40)

None of the them are ginger though

Are any of them Saffers though?

You should bring back that Indian guy who scored a century at No 11 in his first test. Apparently he's a poo poo bowler now but stick him at 6 at least

Antifreeze Head
Jun 6, 2005

It begins
Pillbug
Shouldn't they just bring Agar back? He had one good innings, which is apparently all you need to be an opener for England, so I am sure he will fit well into the mid order for the Aussies.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

MikeCrotch posted:

Are any of them Saffers though?

You should bring back that Indian guy who scored a century at No 11 in his first test. Apparently he's a poo poo bowler now but stick him at 6 at least

The man was clearly out stumped on like 15 we were robbed.

Cocksmith
Dec 28, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
would like to see Lynn and Burns given a go sooner rather than later

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
Those guys are rubbish we need Faulkner and Maxwell.

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747

Negligent posted:

Those guys are rubbish we need Faulkner and Maxwell.

Unironically Maxwell should get a go. He did alright against india.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Byolante posted:

Unironically Maxwell should get a go. He did alright against india.

Either he scores or he comically leaves a ball and gets out, so it's win/win

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
If we're going to lose at 5 an over then at least get guys who can ramp it up to over 9000

Dysgenesis
Jul 12, 2012

HAVE AT THEE!


I see from the highlights that Bell has changed back into the world's greatest batsmen again.

(Just as Clarke drops him).

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer

Dysgenesis posted:

I see from the highlights that Bell has changed back into the world's greatest batsmen again.

Low enough pressure.

jazzyhattrick
Jul 1, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Dysgenesis posted:

I see from the highlights that Bell has changed back into the world's greatest batsmen again.

(Just as Clarke drops him).

The sledgehammer of eternal justice returns.

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
imo

Warner
Rodgers
Smith
S.Marsh
Maxwell
Neville
MMarsh
Johnson
Siddle
HAZE
Lyon

for the next test

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
England need to somehow pick Brooks, Rashid and Plunkett by twelfth man, then Australia can pick Maxwell and Yorkshire can just not have a side.

Dysgenesis
Jul 12, 2012

HAVE AT THEE!


So who is going to replace Adam Lyth next test because he is totally poo poo.

Other than a clone of Joe Root.

put both hands in
Nov 28, 2007

:swoon:FYFE:swoon:

Seams posted:

Looking at the Australia A team currently playing India A we have
Bancroft, age 22 (avg 34)
Khawaja, 28 (39, 25 in tests)
Burns, 25 (41)
Handscomb, 24 (35)
Ferguson 30, (39)
Stoinis, 25 (40)

None of the them are ginger though

Bailey is the only ginger I can think of.

Also lol at Kohli playing in India A.

Smorgasbord
Jun 18, 2004

Our review identified changes needed to be made and, in Stephen, we have a coach who has a reputation for demanding the highest standards.
No idea what the Australian batting lineup will look like for the NZ series, Rogers, Voges and maybe even Clarke gone by then? I'd rather they didn't pick Maxwell, he has 'horrifically irritating double century v NZ' stamped all over his stupid loving face.

monkeu
Jun 1, 2000

by Reene

Smorgasbord posted:

No idea what the Australian batting lineup will look like for the NZ series, Rogers, Voges and maybe even Clarke gone by then? I'd rather they didn't pick Maxwell, he has 'horrifically irritating double century v NZ' stamped all over his stupid loving face.

Brings up his 200 with his patented behind the legs shot.

tanglewood1420
Oct 28, 2010

The importance of this mission cannot be overemphasized

tanglewood1420 posted:

Anyone want to join in making some Official Ashes Predictions so we can look back and laugh at how wrong we all were?

Most Runs (Eng): Cook
Most Runs (Aus): Rogers

Most Wickets (Eng): Anderson
Most Wickets (Aus): Hazlewood

Biggest Surprise: Finn gets back into the England side and does well
Biggest Disappointment: Starc

Series Result: 2-2 Draw

:smug:

monkeu
Jun 1, 2000

by Reene

Burn the witch!

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
He's only on for three right now, unless you believe Starc's been that much of a letdown.

Seksiness
Aug 24, 2006
I screwed your grandma and all I got was this lousy custom title... and herpes

Dysgenesis posted:

So who is going to replace Adam Lyth next test because he is totally poo poo.

Other than a clone of Joe Root.

Root to open. Taylor at 4

gabensraum
Sep 16, 2003


LOAD "NICE!",8,1

Australia retains :boonie:

Unimpressed
Feb 13, 2013


Unless the accountants get control of things, I don't think there's a drawn test to be had in the series, such is the dearth of batting quality on both sides.

Burn Down Canberra
Oct 27, 2005

GAME PLANS? We don't need no stinking game plans.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Unimpressed posted:

Unless the accountants get control of things, I don't think there's a drawn test to be had in the series, such is the dearth of batting quality on both sides.

Rain could strike

snaeksikn
Feb 28, 2010

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Burn Down Canberra posted:

I don't give a poo poo who goes into 6 but it should be someone who can average at least 45

if the whole batting lineup averaged 45 we would never lose mate

snaeksikn
Feb 28, 2010

:qq::qq::qq::qq::qq::qq::qq:

Burn Down Canberra posted:

That's a fair bit of the problem. Obviously watto isn't the answer but that's an average middle order.

a lot relies on smith, and he dropped the bundle this test. however nevill has been good.

Negligent posted:

clarke at 4 is a meh. tubby kept on getting picked long after his batting went to poo poo because no one was ready to captain.

voges at 5. well. you pick a guy on his excellent first class form and he disappoints. what can you do? pick anonymous shield batsman #123 to replace him? same problem

marsh at 6. he actually looks like he might be a quick learner. retain for the moment.

yeah its tricky one with voges and marsh in there. its hard with new players to the team, do you give them time in the team to develop and find their feet and cop the losses that result in that? i think that might have been the plan with marsh but voges is disappointing given his age and experience. that said, rogers took a long time to find his feet at international level, so what can you do really? unless someone else is banging down the door i think they just have to be patient

Burn Down Canberra
Oct 27, 2005

GAME PLANS? We don't need no stinking game plans.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

snaeksikn posted:

if the whole batting lineup averaged 45 we would never lose mate

The first test match of the last few ashes

The 05 ashes side which was regularly bowled out by England had Katich at 6, 06/07 Clarke, 09 and 10/11 ashes side North, 13 Philip Hughes and the 13/14 had Bailey.

Not all of those guys succeeded but they were batsmen. Again I'm willing to give Mitch Marsh a chance but a bloke batting at 6 needs to be test quality as a batsman. Any bowling is just a nice bonus.

Edit

If I was picking the side from what we have.

1. Rogers
2. Warner
3. Smith
4. S Marsh
5. Clarke
6. Voges/ m Marsh (based on the pitch)
7. Nevill.

However, I still don't love that side.

gabensraum
Sep 16, 2003


LOAD "NICE!",8,1
The most influential all-rounders in history would've been picked most of the time even if they only batted or bowled (depending on what their bias was). Think it's a good rule of thumb to pick X batsmen and X bowlers purely on one metric, and take anything else they can do as a bonus. Don't pick a jack of all trades unless they have mastered one.

gabensraum
Sep 16, 2003


LOAD "NICE!",8,1
I find this guy's measurement of all-rounders interesting. Especially Australia's:
http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/01/05/history-of-cricket-all-rounders-part-two/

quote:

Australia’s top 12 Test all-rounders are: Gregory (118.53), Miller (115.60), Davidson (114.72), Benaud (113.67), George Giffin (106.39), Monty Noble (105.17), Bobby Simpson (101.44), Ray Lindwall (99.38), Charlie Kelleway (94.69), Shane Watson (93.02), Armstrong (92.06), Macartney (86.60).

(Note Watson at no.10.)

Burn Down Canberra
Oct 27, 2005

GAME PLANS? We don't need no stinking game plans.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

gabensraum posted:

The most influential all-rounders in history would've been picked most of the time even if they only batted or bowled (depending on what their bias was). Think it's a good rule of thumb to pick X batsmen and X bowlers purely on one metric, and take anything else they can do as a bonus. Don't pick a jack of all trades unless they have mastered one.

That's exactly right.

Kallis as a batsman, Botham as a bowler, etc.

Even watto at his best was in the top 6 batsmen in the country.

Burn Down Canberra fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Aug 1, 2015

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Byolante posted:

Unironically Maxwell should get a go. He did alright against india.

Maxwell's a Victorian, he can't be selected. Neville had to move to NSW to be able to play in the national side.

Burn Down Canberra
Oct 27, 2005

GAME PLANS? We don't need no stinking game plans.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Seams posted:

Looking at the Australia A team currently playing India A we have
Bancroft, age 22 (avg 34)
Khawaja, 28 (39, 25 in tests)
Burns, 25 (41)
Handscomb, 24 (35)
Ferguson 30, (39)
Stoinis, 25 (40)

None of the them are ginger though

Burns has talent and Stoinis is batting quite well since Victoria moved him to 3. Peter Handscomb has always been seen as the next Australian keeper but he is only 5 years younger than Nevill who is arguably a better batsman.

The problem with our young batsmen aren't consistently scoring runs. Ryan Carter had a huge year in 13/14 but followed it up with a mediocre 14/15.

He is pretty good though.

Still very thin pickings.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Maxwell should never EVER be let anywhere near the test side. We already have one retarded slogger in Warner, we don't need another.

Honestly, I would stick with Voges. For this series at least.

The series in Australia however. SMarsh for Rogers, maybe Watson back as a specialist batsman for Voges, (his 30 odd is better than what Voges is offering), but I am not sure who to put in for Clarke, whose back surely can't last more than a year or two.

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


It's tough to single out and drop your inexperienced players when all your key guys were total garbage too.

snaeksikn
Feb 28, 2010

:qq::qq::qq::qq::qq::qq::qq:

BrigadierSensible posted:

Maxwell should never EVER be let anywhere near the test side. We already have one retarded slogger in Warner, we don't need another.

You know maxwell has previously played in the test side at 3 right?

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

snaeksikn posted:

You know maxwell has previously played in the test side at 3 right?

Yes. I probably should have said "be let BACK near the test side."

Smorgasbord
Jun 18, 2004

Our review identified changes needed to be made and, in Stephen, we have a coach who has a reputation for demanding the highest standards.

gabensraum posted:

I find this guy's measurement of all-rounders interesting. Especially Australia's:
http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/01/05/history-of-cricket-all-rounders-part-two/

quote:

Cairns’ high ranking is surprising until you look closely at his record, it is very good. I guess whichever system you use, it will throw up anomalies.

:confused: Except it's not surprising at all if you watched him play since he was in fact very good. How is that an anomaly?

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snaeksikn
Feb 28, 2010

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I think the anomaly was a kiwi being good at cricket

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