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Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

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Arrath posted:

Finished HoA, still don't know what that is. On to Alloy of Law!

It only appeared in the original trilogy, and it's a bit difficult to figure out. It's the bead of metal that Vin made Elend swallow at the end of the second book. It's the stuff that turned him into a full Mistborn.

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Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Fezz posted:

Lerasium is basically the essence of Preservation like Atium is the essence of Ruin. Ingesting Lerasium gives you the full complement of mistborn powers at full strength.

Oh so that's what the little nugget that Elend ate was, got it.

E: oh hey new page!

seaborgium
Aug 1, 2002

"Nothing a shitload of bleach won't fix"




Fezz posted:

Lerasium is basically the essence of Preservation like Atium is the essence of Ruin. Ingesting Lerasium gives you the full complement of mistborn powers at full strength.

Also signing tour:

Oh poo poo, I think I can get to the San Diego one depending on work. I've never been to one, does he just sign books, read a bit, and then answer questions?

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice
gently caress yeah, a Monday I have off so I can make it down to Oak Brook.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

seaborgium posted:

Oh poo poo, I think I can get to the San Diego one depending on work. I've never been to one, does he just sign books, read a bit, and then answer questions?

Yes, but not in that order.

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

ruby idiot railed posted:

gently caress yeah, a Monday I have off so I can make it down to Oak Brook.

I'll see you there fellow Illinois nerd

Fezz
Aug 31, 2001

You should feel ashamed.
What's really sad for me is that I just moved from Lansing to Saint Louis in December. Should have waited 11 more months to join my wife.

mewse
May 2, 2006

Sanderson truly is good enough to replace anyone's... wife...

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

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I feel bad that I'm mostly posting in this thread because the gals/guys at tor.com released an article about Brandon's work yet again, but this tidbit blew my mind:

http://www.tor.com/2015/08/11/lets-talk-about-the-mvps-of-brandon-sandersons-cosmere/ :siren: Spoilers for Stormlight Archive, the Mistborn trilogy and Warbreaker :siren:

quote:

It has been hinted that we’ll learn more about the Lord Ruler in Bands of Mourning, the third book in the Wax and Wayne Mistborn series, which comes out in January of 2016.

:aaaaa:

Could the Bands of Mourning be the copperminds of the Lord Ruler? Do we get access to them? That would be amazing!

I thought only the persons who stored things in metal could use it, meaning that nobody should be able to access the Lord Ruler's memories, but I'm sure Brandon has thought of that.

SavTargaryen
Sep 11, 2011
It's been a while since I read the Mistborn books, but I thought it was implied when Sazed was doing his thing that he could see the stuff there, just slightly out of reach? Maybe something to do with that.

seaborgium
Aug 1, 2002

"Nothing a shitload of bleach won't fix"




SavTargaryen posted:

It's been a while since I read the Mistborn books, but I thought it was implied when Sazed was doing his thing that he could see the stuff there, just slightly out of reach? Maybe something to do with that.

Yeah, it was said that anything another Feruchemist put into a metal could be seen by other Feruchemists, but they couldn't do anything with it. That's why Sazed and the others had to sit down and tell all of their knowledge to another Worldbuilder, they couldn't just hand them over.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Torrannor posted:

Could the Bands of Mourning be the copperminds of the Lord Ruler? Do we get access to them? That would be amazing!

I'm pretty sure the description of that book outright states they are.

Xemloth
Mar 27, 2011

Wait, what?



Maybe if you beef up copper feruchemy with hemalurgy you can access other people's copperminds

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

If you mess around with aluminum feruchemy you can forge your magical ID and use other peoples metalminds, or make metalminds other people can use.

quote:

Oh poo poo, I think I can get to the San Diego one depending on work. I've never been to one, does he just sign books, read a bit, and then answer questions?
He typically reads from some book that isn't released yet, has a public Q&A, then does the signing line.

You usually can get 1-3 books signed&personalized on each trip through (so if you have a big pile you'll be in the line multiple times). While he's signing Brandon'll ask you if you have any questions for him, and will either answer them or give you a Read And Find Out card.

Dude's the nicest guy ever in person, it'll be fun.

Luminaflare
Sep 23, 2010

No one man
should have all that
POWER BEYOND MEASURE


While I can't get to the US for this, I am curious, would he sign a kindle?

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Luminaflare posted:

While I can't get to the US for this, I am curious, would he sign a kindle?

Yep.

He'll be in the UK in October, too.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


Tunicate posted:

Yep.

He'll be in the UK in October, too.

And crank out 3-4 books on the flight over.

Pash
Sep 10, 2009

The First of the Adorable Dead
Wasn't Ruin able to change what was stored in peoples metalminds? Was he able to do that without actually being able to tell what was in them?

Lobsterpillar
Feb 4, 2014

Pash posted:

Wasn't Ruin able to change what was stored in peoples metalminds? Was he able to do that without actually being able to tell what was in them?

He must have been able to tell on some level what was in them in order to know what words to change. I guess it could have been an unconscious action?

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Pash posted:

Wasn't Ruin able to change what was stored in peoples metalminds? Was he able to do that without actually being able to tell what was in them?

I'm guessing that whatever magical information storage that's linked to the metalmind itself was the target. Since Ruin has an equal stake in feruchemy he gets to mess with it.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


I'm just finishing up Alloy of Law. Western buddy cop wasn't a genre I had even thought about before but now I need more of it in my life. Wayne ruuuuules.

Pash
Sep 10, 2009

The First of the Adorable Dead
I was just asking because if he could do it that it would seem like Harmony could without going through all the effort others were talking about above.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Tunicate posted:

I'm guessing that whatever magical information storage that's linked to the metalmind itself was the target. Since Ruin has an equal stake in feruchemy he gets to mess with it.

Maybe he can't actually see the contents of the metalmind but rather can interfere with the process as a feruchemist taps the metal mind to either store or retrieve something. Think, like, a man in the middle attack.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Arrath posted:

Maybe he can't actually see the contents of the metalmind but rather can interfere with the process as a feruchemist taps the metal mind to either store or retrieve something. Think, like, a man in the middle attack.

Yeah that sounds likely. Basically like how preservation can fuel allomancy, he's fueling feruchemy with whatever he wants.

EDIT: He's still answering new questions on the reddit AMA if anyone wants to ask
https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/2ytg2h/im_novelist_brandon_sanderson_ama/

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

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^^ Thanks for that.

quote:

Question: Taravangian: On his "Special Day" where he created the Diagram, was he actually as smart as he thinks he was, or was something else going on? It seems suspicious that any level of raw intelligence would let him deduce all of that...

quote:

Answer: That sure IS suspicious, eh? Let's just say that HE believes it was rational deduction. But other theories are valid.

Never thought of that? Is Odium behind it? Or could it be direct help from Cultivation?

It's also interesting that the Lord Ruler had had children. Considering his eugenics program, that's a surprise.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Arrath posted:

I'm just finishing up Alloy of Law. Western buddy cop wasn't a genre I had even thought about before but now I need more of it in my life. Wayne ruuuuules.

Shanghai Noon is on Netflix if you want an unrelated but technically the same genre fix.

Yarrbossa
Mar 19, 2008

Fezz posted:

What's really sad for me is that I just moved from Lansing to Saint Louis in December. Should have waited 11 more months to join my wife.

You should be sad, because he's never to my knowledge come anywhere near Saint Louis. I've been on his list for years and never gotten any inkling of him coming within 100 miles. :(

aparmenideanmonad
Jan 28, 2004
Balls to you and your way of mortal opinions - you don't exist anyway!
Fun Shoe
Yeah it's rough being in that part of the midwest. I'm in northern IN and at least that's <4hrs drive to Indy, Chicago, Cleveland, Columbus, Detroit, and tons of big10 college towns that an author might come to. Being in MO/southern IL is no bueno.

General Emergency
Apr 2, 2009

Can we talk?

computer parts posted:

Shanghai Noon is on Netflix if you want an unrelated but technically the same genre fix.

Don't forget about Wild Wild West!

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.
Re-reading the Stormlight books since the first time I read them I hadn't read any Sanderson stuff yet so this time a few of the more subtle things actually make some/more sense. The final vision in the first book also looks like it's implying Odium, once done destroying Roshar, is going to repeat the process across the cosmere, shown by the lights (other shardworlds) going out. It'd also make some sense considering how long he wants to run the series and that aside from Hoid he's shown a lot more other world characters very bluntly unlike, say, Mistborn or Warbreaker (the latter of which being present).

I'd also forgotten that the king is a potential radiant of the same order as Shallan since he also sees the Cryptics watching him and that's helping fuel his paranoia.

Skipping about the first 80% of Shallan's chapters also made the book much better because holy hell her early stuff is just so loving boring and it's like he wrote it solely to make stuff like chasm duty more interesting to read.

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

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Evil Fluffy posted:

Re-reading the Stormlight books since the first time I read them I hadn't read any Sanderson stuff yet so this time a few of the more subtle things actually make some/more sense. The final vision in the first book also looks like it's implying Odium, once done destroying Roshar, is going to repeat the process across the cosmere, shown by the lights (other shardworlds) going out. It'd also make some sense considering how long he wants to run the series and that aside from Hoid he's shown a lot more other world characters very bluntly unlike, say, Mistborn or Warbreaker (the latter of which being present).

I'd also forgotten that the king is a potential radiant of the same order as Shallan since he also sees the Cryptics watching him and that's helping fuel his paranoia.

Skipping about the first 80% of Shallan's chapters also made the book much better because holy hell her early stuff is just so loving boring and it's like he wrote it solely to make stuff like chasm duty more interesting to read.

Elantris spoiler:

It's not only implied, it's what Odium already did on Sel. The Seaons on Sel are splinters of Devotion (whose shardholder was called Aona...). Odium splintered both shards on that world, Devotion and Dominion. He then traveled to Roshard, where he splintered Honor, which somehow made him trapped in the Roshar system through some hidden machinations by Honor and perhaps Cultivation.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.
Elantris is the one that Sanderson wrote early on and is a really rough read right? That and Emperor's Soul might be the only Cosmere stuff I haven't read yet.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Evil Fluffy posted:

Elantris is the one that Sanderson wrote early on and is a really rough read right? That and Emperor's Soul might be the only Cosmere stuff I haven't read yet.

So you've got the worst and the best of his writing, basically.

Iunnrais
Jul 25, 2007

It's gaelic.
Elantris is not THAT bad. One out of the three PoV characters is really really dull, and one rereads I simply skip all chapters involving her. One is very well written. The third gets split opinions-- I love the dude, since I get off on inspirational hope porn, but others find it trite. Either way, the plot itself isn't bad either, it's a mystery/research story, which isn't all that common in fantasy, and pretty fun to see.

But the one really dull character is REALLY dull. Monumentally dull. With no personality, no character voice, barely a plot, hardly any influence on her surroundings... she's a window to look at the scenery through, and the scenery she shows off isn't interesting either. So I get why people don't like it... but it's only 1/3 of the book.

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

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Hrathen makes me forgive Sanderson all the things he did wrong with the female character, whose name I can't even remember.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!
Nap Ghost

Evil Fluffy posted:

Elantris is the one that Sanderson wrote early on and is a really rough read right? That and Emperor's Soul might be the only Cosmere stuff I haven't read yet.
Like others have said, it's not terrible, it's just rough, as you'd expect from someone's first published novel. It has interesting ideas, but it's clear that Sanderson was still figuring out how to structure plot and do proper pacing. If I remember right, one of his retrospective criticisms was that he relied too much on strictly alternating chapter POV characters rather than letting the story flow.

I don't fault people for not reading it (especially because he's making a revised edition, right?) but I enjoyed it even with its warts. Plus, seeing where things fail helped me see how good writing is constructed by contrast. Reading along with his website annotations is great too.

teddust
Feb 27, 2007

Evil Fluffy posted:

Skipping about the first 80% of Shallan's chapters also made the book much better because holy hell her early stuff is just so loving boring and it's like he wrote it solely to make stuff like chasm duty more interesting to read.

For me Shallan is the most interesting character in the book. I agree that early in Book 1 her chapters aren't that interesting, but her story picks up quickly and in Book 2 she is like the WoT Mat of that book. Every chapter that she is in is way more interesting that whatever else is going on.

LiterallyATomato
Mar 17, 2009

I have an oddly-specific question:

I listened to the first two Mistborn books on audiobook. I recently read the third the traditional way. Given that the writer of the chapter openings is actually Sazed, whose voice did the narrator use when he read those sections? Obviously, he had to keep it a secret, right? Or did we start with Sazed's voice saying "I am, unforunately, the hero of ages?"

I really don't want to buy another audiobook just to figure this out, but it's really bugging me for some reason.

NecroMonster
Jan 4, 2009

TequilaJesus posted:

I have an oddly-specific question:

I listened to the first two Mistborn books on audiobook. I recently read the third the traditional way. Given that the writer of the chapter openings is actually Sazed, whose voice did the narrator use when he read those sections? Obviously, he had to keep it a secret, right? Or did we start with Sazed's voice saying "I am, unforunately, the hero of ages?"

I really don't want to buy another audiobook just to figure this out, but it's really bugging me for some reason.

It doesn't give it away.

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thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

TequilaJesus posted:

I have an oddly-specific question:

I listened to the first two Mistborn books on audiobook. I recently read the third the traditional way. Given that the writer of the chapter openings is actually Sazed, whose voice did the narrator use when he read those sections? Obviously, he had to keep it a secret, right? Or did we start with Sazed's voice saying "I am, unforunately, the hero of ages?"

I really don't want to buy another audiobook just to figure this out, but it's really bugging me for some reason.

IIRC you can actually figure it out pretty early on anyway even in hard copy if you're a bit astute, because Sanderson is pretty good about consistency of style and grammar between his characters. Sazed in particular speaks in a way the other characters don't often.

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