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Skandranon posted:If you don't care about redundancy, you don't need anything special, filesystem wise. You can either just run 2 drives, or do simple JBOD with your motherboard RAID controller, or use Storage Spaces to do the drive concatenation. Storage spaces seems like the easiest option, but what's the experience like using a Windows box as an NAS? I was planning on going with FreeNAS or xpenology or something but I honestly have no experience with any of this.
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Fruit Chewy posted:Storage spaces seems like the easiest option, but what's the experience like using a Windows box as an NAS? I was planning on going with FreeNAS or xpenology or something but I honestly have no experience with any of this. Windows works fine as a NAS, and Storage Spaces is pretty easy. It also works well if your clients are Windows machines and you want to do permissions via Windows. I was never happy with the share permission settings in Unraid. I can't really comment on FreeNAS or xpenology as I've not used them. The hardware you have will easily run 2012 R2, and is probably a good place to start if you are comfortable with Windows.
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Skandranon posted:Windows works fine as a NAS, and Storage Spaces is pretty easy. It also works well if your clients are Windows machines and you want to do permissions via Windows. I was never happy with the share permission settings in Unraid. I can't really comment on FreeNAS or xpenology as I've not used them. The hardware you have will easily run 2012 R2, and is probably a good place to start if you are comfortable with Windows. Is there some software for remoting into Windows though through a browser to control it easily like you can with Xpenology? Or do you just have to rely on remote desktop?
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uhhhhahhhhohahhh posted:Is there some software for remoting into Windows though through a browser to control it easily like you can with Xpenology? Or do you just have to rely on remote desktop? There's a plugin for Chrome, called chrome remote desktop, that does exactly this.
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Krailor posted:There's a plugin for Chrome, called chrome remote desktop, that does exactly this. Couldn't you also just use something like Teamviewer? Do any of the canned NAS products like the Synology support running something like sickbeard?
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Azhais posted:Couldn't you also just use something like Teamviewer? Synology works with sickbeard fine though ive moved to sonarr now which also works on synology.
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Since pretty much every canned NAS OS is based on either FreeBSD or Linux they'll support all of the standard file apps everyone uses; CouchPotato, Sickbeard, Sonarr, sabnzbd, plex. Honestly for most people it's more about what interface you like more than anything else.
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I guess there were some OEM(?) 1TB PATA drives? The largest I found before were 750GB segates which I own 2. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1TB-IDE-40-PIN-PATA-UDMA-133-Western-Digital-WD-Caviar-Green-HDD-1000GB-NEW-/301578890078?hash=item463780ab5e  I can't seem to find any documentation about this drive on google though. Looks like a retro fit SATA drive but still, no record of it.
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And non-ECC RAM is a no-no with free nas. I'd skip it and run something simpler. Single drive file serving doesn't need ZFS or anything. My server is running 5x5TB Toshiba drives in RaidZ2, a transmission jail, Plex, virtual box with several vm's... That kind of setup is what free nas excels at.
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Would anyone happen to have a parts list recommendation for a budget 4 or so drive NAS? Or maybe I missed a premade that's reasonably priced. It would probably be running sonarr.
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Shukaro posted:Would anyone happen to have a parts list recommendation for a budget 4 or so drive NAS? Or maybe I missed a premade that's reasonably priced. It would probably be running sonarr. What is budget to you and does it include drives. How much storage do you need.
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Don Lapre posted:What is budget to you and does it include drives. How much storage do you need. Additional useful questions: Do you care about redundancy? Will you ever be putting data on there that could eventually require redundancy (family pictures, backups of local machines, etc)?
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And how much do you care about it being packaged up in a shiny box instead of it being another mid-tower computer?
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Krailor posted:There's a plugin for Chrome, called chrome remote desktop, that does exactly this. It doesn't have that nice OS settings in the one browser window and it's laggy over my wireless. So was Teamviewer on one computer I tried it too 
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Don Lapre posted:What is budget to you and does it include drives. How much storage do you need. Ideally budget would be sub-$500 or so, excluding drives. ~16 TB would be more than sufficient capacity. G-Prime posted:Additional useful questions: Do you care about redundancy? Will you ever be putting data on there that could eventually require redundancy (family pictures, backups of local machines, etc)? Redundancy is important, but not necessarily super-mission-critical important. IOwnCalculus posted:And how much do you care about it being packaged up in a shiny box instead of it being another mid-tower computer? A nice smaller case would be a big plus.
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Shukaro posted:Ideally budget would be sub-$500 or so, excluding drives. ~16 TB would be more than sufficient capacity. So for $500 you have a few options: 1. Synology DS415Play: Synology has a very user friendly system and there's a demo available on their website if you want to get a taste of what the interface is like. This is going to be easiest to use and is just plug-and-play. It also has the least processing power of any option, but it still has enough to do your basic sonarr/couchpotato/sabnzbd/etc. It only starts to choke if you want to transcode and stream video. If you're not scared of installing your own NAS OS (it's as easy as flashing a USB drive) you have a couple more options 2. TS440: This isn't a small unit but you're getting a quad core Xeon and 4GB ram for $400ish. This can handle pretty much anything you throw at it unless you're doing serious VM work. 3. Buld a mITX system. This ends up being a compromise between the first two options. For $500 you can get a system a little bigger than a Synology but not quite as powerful as the 440. Here's one hardware option: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($114.87 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: ASRock E3C226D2I Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Mwave) Memory: Kingston 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($31.99 @ SuperBiiz) Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US) Power Supply: SeaSonic 350W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($35.99 @ SuperBiiz) Total: $452.83 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-12 19:25 EDT-0400
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Thanks for the writeup, I think I'll end end up building my own with that list (maybe some more RAM?). Wish synology's stuff wasn't at such a price premium.
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Krailor posted:
They go on sale for $300 regularly. That's what I paid for mine. Four drive caddies were $60, and I put another 16gb of RAM in for $120, but that's unnecessary for basic use. You'd be hard pressed to beat it on a cost/performance basis.
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sharkytm posted:They go on sale for $300 regularly. That's what I paid for mine. Four drive caddies were $60, and I put another 16gb of RAM in for $120, but that's unnecessary for basic use. You'd be hard pressed to beat it on a cost/performance basis. It's just so huge though 
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Shukaro posted:It's just so huge though It's only huge compared to the tiny NAS-appliances, and I'm always a little leery of the airflow in such a small space, anyhow. Otherwise it's pretty generic mid-tower sized.
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Tapedump posted:Wait.. what?
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http://columbiamo.craigslist.org/sys/5170042205.html How much would I hate myself if I bought this as a NAS/home server and shoved a bunch of reds in it. Is it going to be datacenter vacuum loud and double my power bill or something? Edit: I'm dumb and it's ancient enough to not even support drives over 1TB apparently. Fruit Chewy fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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DrDork posted:Well you're not really gonna use whatever junk drive they package with that anyhow, right? 4GB HDD, though? It's a misprint, right? (drat, imgur is down right now)
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It is 4gb ram. Most don't come with hard drives, or if they do they are like 500gb.
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I got that. I just thought it was funny they populated that table with "4GB" for both RAM and HDD.
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That's a typo. There are about four common versions of the ts440. Mine was $300 plus shipping, and had no hard drives and only one drive cage. I'm going to add another cage at some point. Free nas is running off a 16GB USB drive.
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Some NAS deals for you Lenovo TS140 Xeon Version - $355.99 @ NeweggFlash (Slightly cheaper than amazon, through monday) Synology DS214play - $299.99 @ NeweggFlash Netgear ReadyNAS 102 & 104 Series - Various Prices @ Amazon Fruit Chewy fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Fruit Chewy posted:Some NAS deals for you That ts140 isn't a deal, it's been as low as $299.
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Don't buy a readynas
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Don Lapre posted:Don't buy a readynas Seconding this.
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Welp, time to rethink my NAS: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/08/samsung-unveils-2-5-inch-16tb-ssd-the-worlds-largest-hard-drive/
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With the new manufacturing techniques, we can hope those drop to a reasonable price in the not extremely distant future. I wouldn't argue with doing z2 or z3 with a bunch of 4TB vertically stacked SSD.
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sharkytm posted:That ts140 isn't a deal, it's been as low as $299. Can be as low as $199 with the non-Xeon version. It's been a few months since I've seen it at that price however. Don Lapre posted:Don't buy a readynas eightysixed posted:Seconding this. I originally had a ReadyNAS Ultra 4 when I didn't know any better back then before finally upgrading to a TS440 recently. Don't buy a ReadyNAS ever. The OS is garbage and their plugin architecture is broken as gently caress. 8-bit Miniboss fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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I bought an NV+V2 when they were brand new. They replaced the OS on the next model and completely stopped developing or supporting mine. Biggest POS
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deimos posted:Welp, time to rethink my NAS: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/08/samsung-unveils-2-5-inch-16tb-ssd-the-worlds-largest-hard-drive/ Article posted:Samsung showed off a server with 48 of these new SSDs, with a total storage capacity of 768 terabytes and performance rated at 2,000,000 IOPS (input/output operations per second).
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I had a bit of a scare the other day with my 2TB WD My Book Live. I want to upgrade it to a proper NAS, with raid, but I'm not rich enough to go for a four-disk NAS, only two-disk. Which, if I'm understanding things right, means raid 1. Undoubtedly that'll save me where having only one disk would cost me all my If I were to buy something like the Synology DS214 linked upthread, would I be able to yank the drive from the WD My Book Live, plug it in to the Synology and be good to go? If I then bought another 2TB drive, would I be able to convert all that to a raid 1 array without losing anything (or having to offsite all my data first, which I pretty much wouldn't be able to do without buying a third 2TB drive )?
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Ciaphas posted:I had a bit of a scare the other day with my 2TB WD My Book Live. I want to upgrade it to a proper NAS, with raid, but I'm not rich enough to go for a four-disk NAS, only two-disk. Which, if I'm understanding things right, means raid 1. Undoubtedly that'll save me where having only one disk would cost me all my Depending how you set your mirror up, no you don't have to clear it first. Windows will allow you to simply add a mirror to any (dynamic I think) drive. Can't speak for the rest. The only point of failure with RAID 1 is that both fail at the same time, and that is only plausible if you get 2 disk from the exact same production run and that run in particular has a high failure rate. Otherwise, it should be random as to when your drives die. Also, there is only so much you can do to protect your data, and in your case, RAID 1 is the best you can do. Still might get hit by a meteor tomorrow, but today, RAID 1 is your best bet for redundancy. If you only have 2TB though, something like Crashplan or Backblaze might be a good thing to look into as well.
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I run Raid 0 on my 2-disk NAS. Raid 1 with 2 disks is a 50% loss of drive space and I am going to have to back it up anyways. It's not the end of the world if those files are unavailable for a week. Which actually just happened and it was not the end of the world. That being said I don't back up to the cloud, just another Raid 0 array in my PC. So restoring wasn't a big deal. Gives me 8 TB of storage, 8 TB of backups for fairly cheap. My problem with the 4 bay NASes if that you have to run RAID 6 or RAID 10, and again, you are losing 50%. Just not worth it if you're going to have to back it up as well.
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Internet Explorer posted:I run Raid 0 on my 2-disk NAS. Raid 1 with 2 disks is a 50% loss of drive space and I am going to have to back it up anyways. It's not the end of the world if those files are unavailable for a week. Which actually just happened and it was not the end of the world. Don't do this, it is terrible advice. Never use RAID-0, it doubles your chances of losing data. You'd be better off with pretty much any other configuration than this. Correction: You could be worse off, with 3 x RAID-0. Skandranon fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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