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This show is fantastic and every episode delivers.Solice Kirsk posted:we're hearing everything through Eliot's point of view. Yeah this is important to consider, because especially in the last episode Elliot really points this out. We (the audience) were created by Elliot, and we're basically at the mercy of his delusions. As to who Mr. Robot is, I like the 50/50 Ghost Dad/Real Dad theory, except that I do think his dad is dead and the "real" person is somebody else. Just like how we hear "E Corp" as "Evil Corp" maybe Mr. Robot is somebody entirely different that hasn't been revealed yet, but Elliot sees him as a father-figure so it is projected to us in that way. Elliot is starting to talk to the audience a bit more and even apologizing to us (like that scene where he hides the login window before Gideon reaches his desk). We really can't say for sure what is reality and what is part of Elliot's delusion, because we're seeing this through his eyes.
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They're really nailing the Unreliable Narrator. This is great!
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Steve112sms posted:He only looked a lot younger in a few of the pictures where he's by himself. He looks about the same to me in the pictures with child Elliot. Down to the same glasses and jacket. I assumed the pictures were just his dad when he was younger. He has gray hair now and doesn't in the pictures of Elliot as a kid. He might have faked his own death considering what we know about him dying was kind of odd, like the whole thing where Elliot wasn't supposed to tell anyone that he was sick.
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muscles like this? posted:He has gray hair now and doesn't in the pictures of Elliot as a kid. Someone posted the whole album of pictures. I honestly have no idea what to think at this point. http://imgur.com/a/IN6EH I think there are scenes where it makes a lot of sense for it to be head Mr Robot (the loving STAIRCASE scene and showing up at Allsafe) and for it to be real Mr Robot (when he pulled a gun on Angelo). Waynebo fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Aug 13, 2015 15:36
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It's kind of hard to judge age with Christian Slater in the first place since he's looked pretty much the same since the 80s.
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When they flashed Mr. Robots face on him in the mirror I think that was a pretty big indicator that at least some of the scenes with him were in his head.
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Solice Kirsk posted:When they flashed Mr. Robots face on him in the mirror I think that was a pretty big indicator that at least some of the scenes with him were in his head. They flashed Angela's face too though I thought? And Shayla?
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Aug 13, 2015 15:47
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They flashed Sam Esmail's face too so uhh
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Aug 13, 2015 15:49
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Faking his own death doesn't seem out of the question considering how good Elliot is at erasing his own life. Like father, like son. That being said, I'm honestly not sure myself and it's great.
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Aug 13, 2015 16:34
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muscles like this? posted:He might have faked his own death considering what we know about him dying was kind of odd, like the whole thing where Elliot wasn't supposed to tell anyone that he was sick. I feel this is slightly more likely than Elliot's unreliable brain/narration subbing Dead Mom for Dead Dad. I mean -- surely Angela, The Best Friend From Childhood Who's Also Friends With Darlene, would have been around to pick up that it wasn't Elliot's mom that died? Maybe gone to the funeral herself? I don't see how she could believe the story that it was his dad who got cancer and retell it to others. Unless, of course, they all know Elliot's a high-functioning schizophrenic and everyone just plays along because it's easier that way. Which is completely plausible, to be honest. At this point I genuinely don't know where they're going. It's wonderful!
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Aug 13, 2015 16:38
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IIRC Angela and Elliot didn't meet each other until after the death because it was part of the whole lawsuit thing. Although I think she would know which parent died.
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SpaceAceJase posted:Ghost Dad. Sister incest. Inner monologue. This is my Dad's first impression from episode one, that and that it sounds like Elliot is perpetually on too much Vicodin. Dance Marine posted:Do you think perhaps that Elliot received some kind of brain damage as a child, courtesy of Evil Corp? Evil Corp vaccines gave him autism.
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Good Will Hrunting posted:They flashed Angela's face too though I thought? And Shayla? No Shayla. Wellick, Angela, RoboDad, fsociety mask and someone that might be Darlene. I went through it at something like one-eighth speed to check. That hoodie makes everyone but Slater look really different.
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The best part is that it makes all the previous weird interactions between him and Darlene make sense. Especially when she shows up at his apartment the first few times.
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My brain has been so conditioned to just accept tech stuff on TV as laughably fake that when he runs commands like ps aux and ls -l I say "Heh, nice" to myself.
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Waynebo posted:Someone posted the whole album of pictures. I honestly have no idea what to think at this point. For someone who doesn't like following Father's rules (No phone number sharing) Darlene does a great job of never calling Mr. Robot "Dad." After someone up-thread mentioned Elliot having a twin I suddenly got the idea that maybe Mr. Robot is the twin of Elliot's dad. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Aug 13, 2015 19:12
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I think they played really well on audience members assuming Darlene was some dream pixie hacker girl archetype to compartmentalize her behavior instead of actually looking into it and that's just one of many capitalizations of trope that this show has utilized so effectively
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This show is so good and I hope it can continue being this good in the next season. I also can't believe I didn't recognize B.D. Wong until the conversation was almost over.
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steakmancer posted:I think they played really well on audience members assuming Darlene was some dream pixie hacker girl archetype to compartmentalize her behavior instead of actually looking into it and that's just one of many capitalizations of trope that this show has utilized so effectively I couldn't think of a way to explain why the reveal worked so well to my roommates, but this sums it up perfectly. Thank you!
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Aug 13, 2015 19:30
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BD Wong is looking drat good for 54
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The specific reason Angela incidentally mentioned BTTF2 as Elliot's favorite movie a few episodes ago was because while BTTF is about preserving the integrity of the past, the sequel is about averting a dark future where a monolithic corporate evil empire (BiffCo) has tainted the world with greed, corruption and deceit. The future year in turmoil? 2015.
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Aug 13, 2015 19:33
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Christian Slater is even wearing a jacket that says "Mr. Robot" in some of those pictures.
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Aug 13, 2015 19:40
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Was it ever explained in depth exactly why Elliot was seeing a therapist in the first place?
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Lumis posted:Was it ever explained in depth exactly why Elliot was seeing a therapist in the first place? Not in depth but I think I remember something about it being court ordered.
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My main issue with the whole "faked his death and is actually real" angle is how do you fake dying from cancer? I mean you can certainly pretend you have cancer while not having it, but at some point you'd have to, you know, actually die or at least get really sick. It's not like Elliot's dad could just disappear one day and everyone would've gone "Oh well I guess he drove himself to the hospital and died." Not to mention the funeral they presumably had. It's certainly not impossible because it is ultimately just a TV show, but them just blurting out "Yeah I'm your dad surprise" would really go against the way they've presented the Mr Robot character so far. I kind of hope they don't actually answer any questions about him and he just somehow continues to be a mystery that could easily go either way. Also in one of those pictures SlaterDad is reading Elliot "From the Mixed-Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler", which is about a sister and brother running away from their suburban home and going to a museum in Manhattan.
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Well, remember he only told Elliot he was dying of cancer and swore him to secrecy. It only became a thing when Elliot told other people about it. So he could have been planning something else and Elliot screwed it up, forcing him to go through a charade of "dying of cancer." If he was also a good hacker we can assume he did exactly the same thing Elliot did and hacked into a hospital to fake results.
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Aug 13, 2015 20:13
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Right, but like I said at some point he would have to actually, you know, pretend to die. How do you fake dying from being sick from cancer without actually dying or having your loved ones see your not-dead body? Even in the realm of TV show super hacking that seems just a little bit out there.
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Aug 13, 2015 20:20
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Every time I think I have all the answers, this show changes the questions
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Aug 13, 2015 20:23
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Fun fact: B.D. Wong won a Tony for playing Song Liling in M. Butterfly.
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Wow, I just discovered that Forbes does a weekly recap of each episode with the show's technical consultant, where he defends in detail the accuracy of every hack depicted on the show. For this last ep he explains how destroying all of Evil Corps' servers would actually be plausible. http://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailtracy/2015/08/12/white-rose-and-the-honeypot-mr-robot-episode-8-reality-check/
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Waynebo posted:I think there are scenes where it makes a lot of sense for it to be head Mr Robot (the loving STAIRCASE scene and showing up at Allsafe) and for it to be real Mr Robot (when he pulled a gun on Angelo). If you follow the "Elliot is on serious meds and abuses morphine due to mental issues" then the staircase and Allsafe could be REAL robot too though? You could spin no one reacting to Robot's presence at AllSafe to the fact that they see it as a normal occurrence (but Elliot does not). If Mr. Robot really is that close and has long standing ties to Elliot, then it stands to reason he'd have access to Elliot's apartment and knows the entry code.
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Aug 13, 2015 20:58
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If Elliot can completely forget that Darlene is his sister, I think it's entirely plausible that Mr. Robot is real and Elliot's mind is misremembering or creating fictitious details about his "death".
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Seems like he's forgot his sister before as well, so that makes everything and everyone we've met somewhat suspect. Its been a really long time since a show has gripped me as much as this one. I don't even know what to think at all anymore. I just can't wait to see where this all leads in the next two episodes.
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"My father is dead!" "To me. Dead to me."
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Solice Kirsk posted:Seems like he's forgot his sister before as well, so that makes everything and everyone we've met somewhat suspect. I don't think were due for Elliot's version of this scene quite yet.
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You all seem weirdly confident in the faked death idea. As far as I can tell, the only evidence for it is, "Christian Slater has slightly less grey hair in some of the pictures." Hell, there's grey hair in his beard in this picture right here:  Not to mention the same jacket and glasses. I guess he just didn't age at all in 15+ years and wears the same poo poo? I mean, it's possible, I guess, but there's still a ton of evidence to support the idea that it's all in his head and no real reason to doubt it. Take Tyrell's interaction with Mr. Robot earlier in the episode. They clearly know one another, but up to this point there's been no indication they should know each other. In fact, in an earlier episode the others in F Society were shocked when they heard Elliot knew him. I guess it's possible Mr. Robot had some secret side deal with him and revealed some other secret to him, but it makes a lot more sense if that was just Elliot and the secret is that Tyrell knows his motivation for pinning Colby was petty revenge. Also, when Tyrell talks about it with his wife later, he basically only mentions Elliot and again the revenge angle and makes no mention of Mr. Robot. Then there's the fact that everyone gives Elliot 100% credit for everything and it being obvious to everyone White Rose would want to meet him specifically. Sure, Elliot came up with the plan, but if Elliot's dad is real, isn't he basically the leader who got everyone together? And no one mentions him ever or acknowledges any of that? Or of course the fact that whenever Elliot is around, no one ever interacts with Mr. Robot, but instead with Elliot. His own daughter just constantly ignores him? Am I missing something here? Is there something beyond the grey hair bit people are relying on for the faked death theory? Because that seems really...weak. Steve112sms fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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TheRationalRedditor posted:The specific reason Angela incidentally mentioned BTTF2 as Elliot's favorite movie a few episodes ago was because while BTTF is about preserving the integrity of the past, the sequel is about averting a dark future where a monolithic corporate evil empire (BiffCo) has tainted the world with greed, corruption and deceit. The future year in turmoil? 2015. Not to nitpick, but the Biffco stuff happened in alternate 1985. In 2015 Biff was getting punked by his grandson and made to wax his car. Pretty sure your point still stands though, doubt they chose that particular movie for no reason whatsoever.
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I gotta admit, this was a really good episode. But unless this show can prove by next week that Sam Esmail has a truly satisfying ending in mind and it'll never spin its wheels on the way to that ending then I'm gonna have to drop it
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You won't even just finish out the season? There's only two more episodes.
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This loving show  My guess is that Elliot's dad faked his death and Mr. Robot is really him. Elliot forgot about his father but still vaguely recognized Mr. Robot, and that confusion is the reason why Elliot is so fixated on him to the point of hallucinating about him. Really interested in seeing where they take things from here.
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