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srb
Jul 24, 2007
Also, re: ramming, from the OP.

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AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Axetrain posted:

This whole garage feels like a massive troll on WG's part.
I think you are giving them too much credit.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.
Okay the 9.10 test is up allegedly. I need a report about the Japanese heavies - are they as hilarious and terrible as I hope them to be?

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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primelaw posted:

Reload timers really aren't that big of a deal since I generally know the reload of each tank with rammer and stuff since I've actually played most of those tanks myself. I always assume I'm being shot at anyways thanks to the virtue of being purple anyways. The same can be said of most people at 60% winrate or more.

The only mod I really concede on being ridiculous is the broken objects mod, which is hilariously hacky and overpowered.

Everything is inferior to Hellsau's Hax Pax™ anyways.

I have a 68% global win rate, but had no point of reference to that being "good." So that's cool I guess; however...

Other people's cool down timers:
Super loving useful because I know when someone shot, even if I didn't see the shoot, and when I can time exactly a peak-and-shoot.

Being shot at mod:
The mod I'm talking about literally draws a line from all enemy tanks aiming at you to where exactly their aiming, regardless of whether or not you've detected them.

That's just as scummy as the breakable object mods.

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN
Wait today is double XP day? gently caress YOUUUUUUU WARGAMING.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

rex rabidorum vires posted:

Wait today is double XP day? gently caress YOUUUUUUU WARGAMING.

No yesterday was double xp day.

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN

Hellsau posted:

No yesterday was double xp day.

Even better. Now I can go back to Driver San Fran and not play tanks.

Prav
Oct 29, 2011



see those two mini secondary turrets? they take the O-Ho from kinda fun to frustrating and miserable. literally 0,00277778 loving degrees of depression. yes that's right, it needs three leading zeros to write out how little it can depress its gun.

type 4/type 5 update: very fun to shoot with Obj 261 AP.

Prav fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Aug 14, 2015

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Prav posted:



see those two mini secondary turrets? they take the O-Ho from kinda fun to frustrating and miserable. literally 0,00277778 loving degrees of depression. yes that's right, it needs three leading zeros to write out how little it can depress its gun.

type 4/type 5 update: very fun to shoot with Obj 261 AP.

So you're saying that the Japanese have out-Chinesed the Chinese in terms of gun depression? :confuoot:

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

It's got loads of depression in that one corner to the right!

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Prav posted:

It's got loads of depression in that one corner to the right!

You can shoot the tanks to your side easily while your other guns shoot in front of you.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
there's got to be some sort of merit in that line, right?

i mean, i'm 100% in favor of a TOG tech tree but there's got to be some sort of extra incentive to play them.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Mans posted:

there's got to be some sort of merit in that line, right?

i mean, i'm 100% in favor of a TOG tech tree but there's got to be some sort of extra incentive to play them.

It isn't about the destination, it's about the journey. Can't playing an entire line of slow, easily defeated, uncomfortable to play bricks be enough reward on its own?

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

WG keep undertuning bricks, same as always. If they still paid attention to tank balance I'm sure they'd realize that they accidentally made the E-100 effective any day now.

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Nap Ghost

Prav posted:

WG keep undertuning bricks, same as always. If they still paid attention to tank balance I'm sure they'd realize that they accidentally made the E-100 effective any day now.

To be honest, I'm surprised the E-100 has never really been hit with a nerf bat. Either there are enough terrible people keeping it down, or someone at WG just likes it. Its no pre-nerf T57, but goddamn is it a nice solid tank when it gets the right matches. Or its a 2700 hp speed bump when it gets the wrong matches.

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

I bet it's got dumpy stats because it has to grind out the 15 cm. Which is totally something you should balance an end-tier tank around.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

CitizenKain posted:

To be honest, I'm surprised the E-100 has never really been hit with a nerf bat. Either there are enough terrible people keeping it down, or someone at WG just likes it. Its no pre-nerf T57, but goddamn is it a nice solid tank when it gets the right matches. Or its a 2700 hp speed bump when it gets the wrong matches.

I mean, I don't think it's even a question that baaaad players race up the German heavy tree.

E-100s stats might be weighed down by bad-ish pen and accuracy. It would explain the sheer number of sub-1000 damage players in it.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

I mean, I don't think it's even a question that baaaad players race up the German heavy tree.

E-100s stats might be weighed down by bad-ish pen and accuracy. It would explain the sheer number of sub-1000 damage players in it.

E100 stats are weighed down by the pubbie masses. A lot of terrible players play it which hides its effectiveness in the hands of a good player.

unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!
Yeah, pubbies flock to fascist box tanks like flies on poo poo.

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

But they still won't like the Japanese heavies! You just can't explain that :giorgio:

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Yeah you can: :ghitler::godwinning:

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Nap Ghost

DonkeyHotay posted:

Well if anybody still has a pz 1c handy, now is the time to bring it out of retirement.



I got snap shotted by one of the countless 7A's while going between cover. 1c's can't take shells from that thing worth a drat.

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Saint Celestine posted:

E100 stats are weighed down by the pubbie masses. A lot of terrible players play it which hides its effectiveness in the hands of a good player.

according to WG something like 80% of the players are using mostly HEAT on it. And that is why they thought about that pen buff/ heat nerf.

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

CitizenKain posted:

I got snap shotted by one of the countless 7A's while going between cover. 1c's can't take shells from that thing worth a drat.

38 HE pen is enough to fully pen a 1C from a lot of angles unless you catch it in the tracks. Really the major downside of the 7A is seeing t5s; against most t5 tanks it's completely impotent. It's also at a tier where a few tanks have real 75/76mm guns with real AP rounds and the same HE pen.

My Pak 40 carries a lot of HE just because it can one shot a lot of t3s, at least when I still played it before I got the IIJ and the BT-SV.

Steelion
Aug 2, 2009
So are the Japanese heavies irredeemable poo poo? I hope not :ohdear:

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Steelion posted:

So are the Japanese heavies irredeemable poo poo? I hope not :ohdear:

there's a goon who has like, five thousand matches on the Lee so there will always be a goon to defend literally any tank, don't worry he'll come sooner or later.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

Prav posted:



see those two mini secondary turrets? they take the O-Ho from kinda fun to frustrating and miserable. literally 0,00277778 loving degrees of depression. yes that's right, it needs three leading zeros to write out how little it can depress its gun.

type 4/type 5 update: very fun to shoot with Obj 261 AP.

Why does a tier 8 have the KV-2 gun?

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Desuwa posted:

38 HE pen is enough to fully pen a 1C from a lot of angles unless you catch it in the tracks. Really the major downside of the 7A is seeing t5s; against most t5 tanks it's completely impotent. It's also at a tier where a few tanks have real 75/76mm guns with real AP rounds and the same HE pen.

My Pak 40 carries a lot of HE just because it can one shot a lot of t3s, at least when I still played it before I got the IIJ and the BT-SV.

The real bad problem with tier 3s is because of the low NA server population, the east/west split, AND the newbie protection thing, it is incredibly difficult to get a tier 3 match in a tier 3. Preferential matchmaking is the best mechanic and I wish we had +1/-1 matchmaking.

James Garfield posted:

Why does a tier 8 have the KV-2 gun?

Cheap ammo obviously.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

King of Scheduling
Pillbug
What tank does the Japanese heavies go off of?

Fat Jesus
Jul 13, 2011

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2023


Ok I downloaded the test client for the first time. Tier 5 japanese heavy - couldn't load into battle after 5 minutes, probably nobody plays anything but tier X, never got to play it. Tier 8 one, sorta ok until arty hits you, there's a lot of arty on test, gun seemed good at least, took a long time to get into battle and it was a 7 v 7 match. Tier X heavy is slow and dies fast, turret moves slow, everything pens it since everyone shoots gold plus arty, guns ok but hardly makes up for it. Got team killed twice in 7 battles, so did lots of people - apparently you can't get banned for it, I dunno. After every battle I got a warning thing for leaving while still alive in spite of being well and truly dead, nothing happened but.
In short, this 'test' is loving worthless.

Salean
Mar 17, 2004

Homewrecker

That's not too different from the live server tbqh

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
If you went onto a test server expecting people to be testing things besides what it's like to have virtually unlimited money and free exp on an account where nothing you do affects your real account I have bad news for you

Fat Jesus
Jul 13, 2011

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2023


Well yeah, if they actually wanted to test the game they'd find a way to get people to play other tiers besides X and not spray gold everywhere. I went in assuming most tanks would be the new Japanese but there was only 2 or 3 a side at least in the 7 or so battles I played. Gonna assume that means they're poo poo cause everyone was playing only the Good Tanks.

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Nap Ghost
On test they should pretty much lock out buying any tank but new ones and people are limited to what they have or new ones. At least the russian player base has stopped TKing anyone with US in their name on sight, that's a nice change.

srb
Jul 24, 2007
Seriously, unless those tanks are softstat gods they look like they will be extremely frustrating to play. O-Ho gets a mighty 100 more HP than a king tiger.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

CitizenKain posted:

At least the russian player base has stopped TKing anyone with US in their name on sight, that's a nice change.

The boats test server found a clever solution to this: usernames are separate, so you can create a test server account named RUSSIAforever_rus_RU and be indistinguishable from the average Russian nationalist.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



James Garfield posted:

The boats test server found a clever solution to this: usernames are separate, so you can create a test server account named RUSSIAforever_rus_RU and be indistinguishable from the average Russian nationalist.

drat, now I know what my brother should've renamed his account to. :sigh:

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

James Garfield posted:

Why does a tier 8 have the KV-2 gun?

For laughs.

It's also got a 330 alpha 215 pen long gun. That doesn't get a gold shell. Presumably that's also for laughs. 2128 DPM is pretty OK at least.

srb posted:

Seriously, unless those tanks are softstat gods they look like they will be extremely frustrating to play. O-Ho gets a mighty 100 more HP than a king tiger.

Soft stats are in the average-to-mediocre range, 0,16 turret bloom and stuff like that. So yeah. Long aim times too.

srb
Jul 24, 2007
A good candidate for a secondary hull type at least, literally just make up a story about some engineer going "guys, this is dumb" and removing the turrets, no-one ever has to know.

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Lynneth
Sep 13, 2011
McGavin, did you fix the bugs in your modpack yet? I went through the thread and couldn't find an updated version.

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