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In "possibly dumb but smart" side-grade news, I went from an el cheapo H81 ITX board that broke the rules by being able to barely overclock to a nice used ASUS TUF Z97. I got it for about the same price as the normal Z97s, for my poor little 4690k. More and faster RAM, PCIe SSDs (limited to PCIe 2.0 though :/ ), and christ. Went from needing a constant 1.3V just to hit 4.1GHz (with BSODs!) and a constant 1.2V for 4.0, to being able to feed an Speedstep-adaptive 1.175V (offset +0.1V) to hit a stable 4.4. And fan controls, oh my the fan controls. 
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My local Microcenter finally has 6600-Ks in. For $30 less than a 5820K 
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:The fan will break in 2-3 months so it won't matter much Please, elaborate.
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Don Lapre posted:Crazy rear end new intel HS/F 
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Aug 14, 2015 21:25
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Haswell i7-4790k boost and total speed including IPC is higher than skylake boost I just want native USB 3.0 ports, PCI 3.0, DMI 3.0, and an M2 SSD slot for those sweet sweet samsung drives coming out in a few months. My i7 860 is starting to show it's age, and my poor motherboard is losing it's base clock stability. Base clock manages to wander aimlessly between 83 and 100 Mhz, I'm honestly kinda surprised the thing still works, and I'm terrified of turning it off.
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Marinmo posted:TIL I got between a "bum" and a "pretty average" SB chip 4.5 was the ceiling for mine, though with my current motherboard it tops out at 4.3 
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Aug 14, 2015 22:16
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:The fan will break in 2-3 months so it won't matter much Intel HSF's may not be the highest of the high end, but i cant say ive ever had a problem with their fans failing.
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Aug 14, 2015 22:29
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Don Lapre posted:Intel HSF's may not be the highest of the high end, but i cant say ive ever had a problem with their fans failing. ElehemEare posted:Please, elaborate. The heatsink itself seems to have improved by virtue of being 4 times as large but I'm still wary of the fan on those things actually lasting if they're still using bottom-tier sleeve bearings.
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Aug 14, 2015 22:53
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:The fans themselves break down pretty quick in my experience and sample size of 5 out of 6 and they're not easily replaceable and whatever LP junk I throw on there works a lot better anyhow. I'm curious about your environment now. I've used Intel stock coolers on several desktops over the years, and sure they're noisy and can't handle any non-trivial overclock, but I haven't had a single one break.
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Yea, ive installed thousands of them and seen plenty machines come back over the years but never for a bad intel fan. Even in the dirtiest of environments.
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Twerk from Home posted:I'm curious about your environment now. I've used Intel stock coolers on several desktops over the years, and sure they're noisy and can't handle any non-trivial overclock, but I haven't had a single one break.
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Don Lapre posted:Yea, ive installed thousands of them and seen plenty machines come back over the years but never for a bad intel fan. Even in the dirtiest of environments. Exactly - I've only serviced a few hundred machines over the last ten years, but they're generally pretty dust-filled and poorly maintained, and I've seen -one- OEM Intel fan die. It was on a 3.4 Pentium D, so that poor bastard was absolutely screaming, I assume 
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Aug 15, 2015 00:10
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:My room collects a ridiculous amount of dust for the airflow it gets (not much) which might not help for fans that have sleeve bearings exposed. I have a shop-vac in my room for this reason. The only time I've seen intel fans fail like that was after the ashfall we had a few years back. The ash is like lapping compound from hell, and will basically skullfuck anything with moving bearing surfaces.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:My room collects a ridiculous amount of dust for the airflow it gets (not much) which might not help for fans that have sleeve bearings exposed. I have a shop-vac in my room for this reason. If you're using that shopvac to clean the fans, that would explain why your fans are failing at an abnormal rate.
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canyoneer posted:If you're using that shopvac to clean the fans, that would explain why your fans are failing at an abnormal rate. Maybe I should invest in a dehumidifier
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Aug 15, 2015 00:39
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My motherboard, RAM, and cooler arrived today. Now to wait for CPU availability. 
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Now Amazon has the 6600K 6700K remains an elusive, mysterious white whale that I'll never live to see. Edit: decided to do a test build without the CPU just to make sure everything fit and the Noctua DH15 blocks the GPU in a Maximus VIII Gene  Edit edit: Aug 31st is the date some sites are reporting getting the 6700's in stock. The 14th was what I saw from these same sites getting the 6600's and it was right, so 31st is probably going to turn out right too. Two more weeks until I can finish my build 
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Aug 15, 2015 07:42
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I'm surprised to see them go back to that orb style cooler, a simple heatpipe tower is way more efficient and I'm sure they could get someone to rebrand for them if they didn't want to design it.
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Their orb coolers work perfectly fine. Not broke don't fix it.
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Botnit posted:Edit: decided to do a test build without the CPU just to make sure everything fit and the Noctua DH15 blocks the GPU in a Maximus VIII Gene
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Was idly poking at their site today, and Falcon no longer offers Haswell builds, just Skylake and Haswell-E. It is to laugh.
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ElehemEare posted:If 3dMark started giving score/W, enthusiasts might finally accept this as the current biggest driver of chip development but until that happens you're just going to have to keep listening to people complain about the gigahertz. Heh, because getting non-K chips at higher stock clocks, higher IPC, less power and better chipsets at the same price isn't progress. "But I can't overclock those so I have to spend an equivalent of a 850 Evo 500GB more to get my *free OC performance*" Palladium fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Aug 16, 2015 03:57
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Palladium posted:Heh, because getting non-K chips at higher stock clocks, higher IPC, less power and better chipsets at the same price isn't progress. "But I can't overclock those so I have to spend an equivalent of a 850 Evo 500GB more to get my *free OC performance*" This has been my biggest problem with overclocking... it's just not worth the effort or cost anymore. You get maybe 5% improvement, and even that isn't worth even an hour of my time anymore. I'd rather just spend more on the CPU and use it hassle free, or invest in other areas (SSDs, RAM, etc).
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Skandranon posted:This has been my biggest problem with overclocking... it's just not worth the effort or cost anymore. You get maybe 5% improvement, and even that isn't worth even an hour of my time anymore. I'd rather just spend more on the CPU and use it hassle free, or invest in other areas (SSDs, RAM, etc). Don't forget you can also spend less on the motherboard if you're going to skip overclocking.
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Buy a non-overclocking board, get the top end i7, turn on "multicore enhancement", bam.
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LiquidRain posted:Buy a non-overclocking board, get the top end i7, turn on "multicore enhancement", bam. Some of those "enthusiasts" actually thinks pairing a 4790K with a <$70 non-Z board is a travesty, when they already provide more than enough features for most people looking for a general purpose gaming PC. Even 4 DIMMs now are a pretty worthless feature when you can have cheap 8GB sticks. Palladium fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Any estimates/rumors when Skylake-E or Skylake HEDT with higher core counts are coming out?
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cycleback posted:Any estimates/rumors when Skylake-E or Skylake HEDT with higher core counts are coming out? All up in the air, we don't even know for sure if Broadwell-E exists. If they stick to normal schedule, Broadwell-E later this year and Skylake-E in late 2016. We'll get more info when it's closer.
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http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/asustek-and-intel-confirm-global-shortage-of-intel-skylake-microprocessors/ My speculation is too much existing Haswell inventory and/or 14nm is still a yield clusterfuck. Palladium fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Palladium posted:http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/asustek-and-intel-confirm-global-shortage-of-intel-skylake-microprocessors/ I "think" it's "annoying" how that "article" puts all "processor names" in "quotes" and how that "interrupts" the "reading flow". I never thought we'd see the day when CPUs would become family heirlooms, but here we are. Mr. Smile Face Hat fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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Aug 17, 2015 00:54
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I will be "passing down" my 2500k to my "wife"* once "Intel" puts out a "CPU" worth "bothering with"** But in all seriousness I'm real curious as to how the i5-5675c will turn out price-wise. With the 5770c actually beating the 6700k in gaming, if the i5 actually shows up <$300 or so like its MSRP suggests, that'd seem like the optimum price:performance point for gamers. 128MB L4 cache for all my friends!
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The new motherboards have some neat features on them, and the differences on CPU performance are like low single figures of a percent so.....I still can't make myself care about CPU performance. I'll probably snag Skylake in a few months when Windows 10 has had some stress testing by the masses to iron out some of the no doubt major kinks, just to pick up some USB C and the like. I honestly can't imagine a new CPU lighting my world on fire for the next few years, they are rapidly pushing the limits of the material and need to ramp up something new. And considering how tied PC gaming is to console gaming by and large, I sincerely doubt anything is going to be pushing the limits of what we have on the CPU side anytime soon.
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What bothers me more about the new mainboards is the rather anemic amount of USB 3.1 ports. If they're backwards compatible, shouldn't the boards be littered with them to drive adoption?DrDork posted:128MB L4 cache for all my friends! Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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I suppose it depends on what you mean by 'littered'. Even most of the itx boards I've seen have a couple [Generally an A and a C], and the most I've seen is 6 3.1 slots on the ASUS Deluxe board. The majority of them have them except for the extreme budget options. That's a pretty good way to push adoption.
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Combat Pretzel posted:What bothers me more about the new mainboards is the rather anemic amount of USB 3.1 ports. If they're backwards compatible, shouldn't the boards be littered with them to drive adoption? Because Intel really hates the free market for supporting USB3.x to make their Thunderbolt DOA, and they are still clinging onto false hope that USB3 would eventually just drop dead and die, so people will simply replace their free DVI cables with $50 TB ones (LOL nope).
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Combat Pretzel posted:Are there definitive benchmarks showing that it makes a difference? Mind you, it's not a night-and-day boost to gaming, so there's probably a lot to be said for the other benefits of the Skylake ecosystem in comparison. Still, sad that the 6700k loses out to a similarly-priced 65W chip from a few months back.
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Palladium posted:Because Intel really hates the free market for supporting USB3.x to make their Thunderbolt DOA, and they are still clinging onto false hope that USB3 would eventually just drop dead and die, so people will simply replace their free DVI cables with $50 TB ones (LOL nope). . Cabling wise there'll be passive 20Gbps cables along with the (presumably) expensive rear end active 40Gbps cables, and it's a moot point since for video TB cables aren't needed except for TB displays (all...two of them that exist?)It'll be interesting to see if USB-C gets any traction monitor side so you could just use a regular cable instead of adapters.
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Combat Pretzel posted:What bothers me more about the new mainboards is the rather anemic amount of USB 3.1 ports. If they're backwards compatible, shouldn't the boards be littered with them to drive adoption? It's pretty amazing that a chip @ 3.3 base / 3.7 turbo can keep up with two 4.0 base / 4.2 and 4.4 turbo CPUs in games. That's a pretty serious clock deficit.
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Palladium posted:Because Intel really hates the free market for supporting USB3.x to make their Thunderbolt DOA, and they are still clinging onto false hope that USB3 would eventually just drop dead and die, so people will simply replace their free DVI cables with $50 TB ones (LOL nope). Or because USB3.1 functionality is provided via external controllers like Alpine Ridge or ASM1142 If you want USB3.0, which Intel apparently hates, you can get up to 10 ports depending on how your manufacturer wants to set things up
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