[nws]The Traditional Art Thread: Let's Get Our Hands Dirty

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smallmouth: Oct 1, 2009

Here's a time-lapse video I made of a couple sketches I did this morning. I was going to do more but I bumped the tripod and ruined the rest of the pictures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLjatujvncM

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# ? Apr 19, 2024 09:04

smallmouth: Oct 1, 2009

Here's a gif.

# ? Jul 11, 2015 14:35

a hole-y ghost: May 10, 2010

smallmouth posted:

Here's a gif.

Dr. Dragan David Dabić!? I like the drawing but your numerous crimes against humanity are reprehensible, I'm sorry.

# ? Jul 13, 2015 16:31

smallmouth: Oct 1, 2009

a hole-y ghost posted:

Dr. Dragan David Dabić!? I like the drawing but your numerous crimes against humanity are reprehensible, I'm sorry.

You sound like you need some healing, my son. Send three payments of $19.99 to....

smallmouth fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Jul 21, 2015

# ? Jul 13, 2015 17:38

pastorrich: Jun 7, 2008; Keep on truckin' like a novacane hurricane

I made this for an agency.

http://imgur.com/KK7TopA

# ? Jul 29, 2015 21:59

Bubbacub: Apr 17, 2001

The model's dress looked like a Star Trek uniform, so I ran with it.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 04:36

Zoben: Oct 3, 2001

Ballpoint and Gelly Roll pen on toned paypa

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# ? Aug 7, 2015 20:26

sigma 6: Nov 27, 2004; the mirror would do well to reflect further

Zoben posted:

Ballpoint and Gelly Roll pen on toned paypa

This is great!

# ? Aug 8, 2015 08:26

Zoben: Oct 3, 2001

sigma 6 posted:

This is great!

Thanks! I'm digging the heightened drawing stuff these days.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 02:29

Troposphere: Jul 11, 2005; psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

gross faces

# ? Aug 11, 2015 02:04

Archer666: Dec 27, 2008

I should probably take lessons at some point. Drawing really helps me relax..

# ? Aug 12, 2015 13:44

TheNBucket: Oct 29, 2012

I painted an oil painting, but I wasn't too concerned about the fat over lean. I mostly used oil straight from the tube, and sometimes with added linseed oil to soften it up.

How long does it take, worst case, before I start seeing cracks and damage? roughly

# ? Aug 12, 2015 17:50

GentlemanBrofro: Mar 9, 2011; by Lowtax

TheNBucket posted:

I painted an oil painting, but I wasn't too concerned about the fat over lean. I mostly used oil straight from the tube, and sometimes with added linseed oil to soften it up.

How long does it take, worst case, before I start seeing cracks and damage? roughly

I keep hearing about fat over lean and I'm never actually sure what it means. Mediums also confuse me a lot. Like I was taught to use turpenoid for quick brush cleaning so that it didn't mix with other oil paints I might be using. Is that considered a medium? How do you even apply mediums? Is it experimental? I just don't know.

# ? Aug 12, 2015 18:06

neonnoodle: Mar 20, 2008; by exmarx

A medium is anything you mix with straight up paint, so yeah, technically even turpentine can be a medium. But usually the term refers to things you mix with the paint before putting it on the canvas. That can be any number of combinations of solvents, other oils, varnish, and weird crap.

Fat over lean is pretty literal: you put the oiliest stuff (heavy impasto, straight out of tube buttery paint) on top of layers that have been thinned with solvents or other non-fat crud.

A typical process would be:
- start with a very thin scrubbed imprimatura of mostly turps with a little paint just to tone the canvas. This is almost like painting with watercolor because it's so thin. It dries really quickly, like within minutes.
- then a layer of underpainting, where the paint is thinned with turps but not as thin as the imprimatura.
- then most of your painting proper. Paint thinned a little, or extended with linseed oil, or mixed with some combination of fatty and solventy additives.
- then more opaque layers, less thinned out than previously, etc.
- final opaque highlights, straight out of the tube paint on the top.

# ? Aug 12, 2015 20:20

GentlemanBrofro: Mar 9, 2011; by Lowtax

neonnoodle posted:

A medium is anything you mix with straight up paint, so yeah, technically even turpentine can be a medium. But usually the term refers to things you mix with the paint before putting it on the canvas. That can be any number of combinations of solvents, other oils, varnish, and weird crap.

Fat over lean is pretty literal: you put the oiliest stuff (heavy impasto, straight out of tube buttery paint) on top of layers that have been thinned with solvents or other non-fat crud.

A typical process would be:
- start with a very thin scrubbed imprimatura of mostly turps with a little paint just to tone the canvas. This is almost like painting with watercolor because it's so thin. It dries really quickly, like within minutes.
- then a layer of underpainting, where the paint is thinned with turps but not as thin as the imprimatura.
- then most of your painting proper. Paint thinned a little, or extended with linseed oil, or mixed with some combination of fatty and solventy additives.
- then more opaque layers, less thinned out than previously, etc.
- final opaque highlights, straight out of the tube paint on the top.

Yooo thanks man. I've been struggling with this process for a while and this is like, the first time it was clearly explained.

# ? Aug 13, 2015 02:00

Troposphere: Jul 11, 2005; psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

more eyes

# ? Aug 13, 2015 03:12

TheNBucket: Oct 29, 2012

So far I've not used turps to thin it out, because of the fumes. Instead I start out with 'straight-from-tube' and eventually I use more and more linseed oil mixed into it.
I'm not sure if linseed oil + paint is thicker than just paint.

# ? Aug 13, 2015 14:47

Nude: Nov 16, 2014; I have no idea what I'm doing.

Any tips/criticism welcomed. Practicing lighting & shading/anatomy.

# ? Aug 13, 2015 22:51

JuniperCake: Jan 26, 2013

TheNBucket posted:

So far I've not used turps to thin it out, because of the fumes. Instead I start out with 'straight-from-tube' and eventually I use more and more linseed oil mixed into it.
I'm not sure if linseed oil + paint is thicker than just paint.

Adding linseed oil to paint will slow the drying time compared to paint out of the tube. Oil = Fat, it still follows the fat over lean rule. So yeah, you want your outer most layers to have the most oil, so sounds like you are doing it right.

Also you can use turpenoid, gamsol or other odorless mineral spirits to reduce your risk of fume related dangers if you want a turp alternative. It's nice to be able to start with a wash that dries quickly. If you want a medium that might be a good alternative for your initial layers, you can also try Galkyd. That will make your paint more fluid and hasten the drying time instead of slowing it like the linseed oil does.

JuniperCake fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Aug 14, 2015

# ? Aug 14, 2015 01:40

TheNBucket: Oct 29, 2012

JuniperCake posted:

Adding linseed oil to paint will slow the drying time compared to paint out of the tube. Oil = Fat, it still follows the fat over lean rule. So yeah, you want your outer most layers to have the most oil, so sounds like you are doing it right.

Also you can use turpenoid, gamsol or other odorless mineral spirits to reduce your risk of fume related dangers if you want a turp alternative. It's nice to be able to start with a wash that dries quickly. If you want a medium that might be a good alternative for your initial layers, you can also try Galkyd. That will make your paint more fluid and hasten the drying time instead of slowing it like the linseed oil does.

I used to do Acryllic paintings, so I use acryllics for initial stages.

How do you clean your fingers properly? Water and soap plus alot of rubbing, or is there a good technique?

# ? Aug 14, 2015 15:13

smallmouth: Oct 1, 2009

I use lava soap.

# ? Aug 14, 2015 15:14

JuniperCake: Jan 26, 2013

TheNBucket posted:

I used to do Acryllic paintings, so I use acryllics for initial stages.

How do you clean your fingers properly? Water and soap plus alot of rubbing, or is there a good technique?

I don't know if there's a "proper" way, I just use soap. I've used the pumice stuff and the little hand scrubbers and those are nice as well as the brush soap, but I think even reg soap should work in a pinch if you don't mind washing your hands a few times. I use liquid glove before I paint so I like to think that helps make clean up easier but I can't really tell half the time if that stuff even works.

I believe someone in the thread mentioned that certain plastic gloves work pretty well so I think I might give those a try. But that's less for easy clean up and more the fact that I want to cut my exposure to stuff like cadmium/lead and all the other heavy metals that some of the good pigments are made out of. Though I imagine that would make cleaning your hands pretty easy at least.

# ? Aug 15, 2015 02:32

Status Epilepticus: Feb 22, 2009

Oils.

# ? Aug 15, 2015 21:37

Bubbacub: Apr 17, 2001

My friend's guinea pig died, so I made her a card.

# ? Aug 17, 2015 02:02

Anagram of GINGER: Oct 3, 2014; by Smythe

You forgot the spear driven through the ribs (with fluid coming out)

# ? Aug 17, 2015 03:23

CobwebMustardseed: Apr 8, 2011; And some said he would just be a shell of his former self upon his return.

I'm a total novice with art, but I've been painting as a way to relax and deal with stress from my job. I've been enjoying it quite a bit.

Currently I'm working on a painting of the US Capitol building. I would love to hear some feedback other than "that looks so great, honey!"

If there is a better thread for that, my apologies, I'm happy to post somewhere else.

# ? Aug 17, 2015 16:16

GentlemanBrofro: Mar 9, 2011; by Lowtax

CobwebMustardseed posted:

I'm a total novice with art, but I've been painting as a way to relax and deal with stress from my job. I've been enjoying it quite a bit.

Currently I'm working on a painting of the US Capitol building. I would love to hear some feedback other than "that looks so great, honey!"

If there is a better thread for that, my apologies, I'm happy to post somewhere else.

Nah this is the thread. I'd say that your biggest problem is sense of perspective, you need more shading to introduce perspective. You should watch some Bob Ross, legitimately really intelligent guy and can give really good tips. The biggest thing he seems to bring up is that you're creating an illusion, you're recreating an image to the best of your abilities so there are techniques and tricks that you can pull to really bring that together. His ability to make amazing landscapes will also help with your really flat backdrop of the sky and grass.

# ? Aug 19, 2015 19:20

deadlysweet: Nov 30, 2011

So glad I found this thread, love seeing more traditional artists! I do traditional watercolor tattoo flash pieces!

http://imgur.com/gallery/n6aukQQ

deadlysweet fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Aug 20, 2015

# ? Aug 20, 2015 14:53

TheNBucket: Oct 29, 2012

I'm bad at painting faces, and I'm even worse at doing skin colors, so I decided to go portrait painting lite with a painting of a sculpture of a face.

# ? Aug 21, 2015 17:01

Droogie: Mar 21, 2007; But what I do
I do
because I like to do.

A couple pieces I just submitted to my local state fair Native American arts building. I've had a difficult time showing things just from anxiety, so I pushed myself to submit.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:28

sigma 6: Nov 27, 2004; the mirror would do well to reflect further

Watercolor on the beach.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:58

TheNBucket: Oct 29, 2012

Is that beach painted from life, photograf or memory/imagination?

It's really nice

# ? Aug 24, 2015 11:59

o.m. 94: Nov 23, 2009

CobwebMustardseed posted:

I'm a total novice with art, but I've been painting as a way to relax and deal with stress from my job. I've been enjoying it quite a bit.

Currently I'm working on a painting of the US Capitol building. I would love to hear some feedback other than "that looks so great, honey!"

If there is a better thread for that, my apologies, I'm happy to post somewhere else.

Here's a challenge: Pick up a copy of Perspective Made Easy by E. Norling and work through the entire book, then do this painting again and compare the two. Also share it with us! I'm betting there will be a marked improvement

# ? Aug 24, 2015 13:11

smallmouth: Oct 1, 2009

Study in oil.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 17:52

sigma 6: Nov 27, 2004; the mirror would do well to reflect further

TheNBucket posted:

Is that beach painted from life, photograf or memory/imagination?

It's really nice

Thank you. It was painted on the beach. Missing a lot of the people but they ... uh... move a lot. Amazing how many people who walked by and wanted to buy it for 10-20 bucks.

My friend next to me painted this one. In the time I painted one, he had painted three.

He keeps telling me to not be so precious about the details. It is a hard habit to break. Watercolor is difficult for so many reasons, but at least it dries fast on the beach.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 18:15