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MassRafTer posted:This happened in the fall of 99 (between Bischoff being sent home and Russo being hired) the summer of 2000 (Russo was gone for a bit) and the last two months of the company. It's funny because this would happen in TNA too. When the regime changed or they went into a holding pattern waiting for something better the shows improved. The first couple weeks of Russo's regime were all right. Aside from the childish shots at JR the product looked immediately better by just cribbing basic show structure from Raw.
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Rusty Shackelford posted:He was a two time WWF champion as a tweener. i actually forgot he main evented Mania 13. That's partially because it's the only main event not involving a murderer that WWE decided to leave out of their game focused on the thirty years of WM.
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Aug 17, 2015 08:31
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Great line in this week's retro Observer:Big Dave posted:Between Nitro and Raw I have this feeling I'm watching a bunch of people going through a very public midlife crisis.
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Aug 17, 2015 17:23
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How long has HHH's midlife crisis been going exactly? We still hear about how he destroyed WCW and built the Attitude Era and is the sexiest, coolest rebel of all time because he's so insecure about being nobody's favorite wrestler
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Aug 17, 2015 17:51
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That's not HHH's midlife crisis. That's just who he is.
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Aug 17, 2015 17:54
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I liked that time he got his arm fake broke against Brock, and he spent 5 minutes looking sad and walking from the ring to the back, and the whole time was waiting for the traditional end-of-an-era respect standing ovation from the audience that never came And then he got fake concussed against Curtis Axel months later, and did the exact same thing with the exact same non-response, and they just gave up trying
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Aug 17, 2015 18:00
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Chris James 2 posted:I liked that time he got his arm fake broke against Brock, and he spent 5 minutes looking sad and walking from the ring to the back, and the whole time was waiting for the traditional end-of-an-era respect standing ovation from the audience that never came "You tapped out. You tapped out. You tapped out." "I'm ... sorry!"
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Aug 17, 2015 18:27
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I'm glad that enmity towards Triple H for going over everyone always continues to this day, gently caress Paul McMahon.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:51
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My favorite tidbit from the recent observer is that the nWo Tonight set cost 70,000 dollars. A ton of money to generate horrendous ratings!
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Aug 17, 2015 19:49
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Tato posted:My favorite tidbit from the recent observer is that the nWo Tonight set cost 70,000 dollars. A ton of money to generate horrendous ratings! How much did the fake Hogan head cost?
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Aug 17, 2015 19:50
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Tato posted:My favorite tidbit from the recent observer is that the nWo Tonight set cost 70,000 dollars. A ton of money to generate horrendous ratings! And in the build to Road Wild, a show that is held outdoors at a large public gathering so there was $0 made at the gate. You know, Bischoff went crazy when Raw won in ratings in April, I can only imagine how he must have been feeling around this time. Granted, WWF was running the CHOPPY CHOPPY YO PEE PEE angle around then. Still, imagine losing viewers to that Hey, tomorrow we're watching Fall Brawl (or as I believe Piper called it, Fa Bra) in the tube -- how many matches can you name on that card just from what's been announced on Nitro?
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Aug 17, 2015 19:53
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ive seen the entire build to the show and the only matches I can think of are War Games and Steiner vs Steiner. I don't even know what the title match is
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Aug 17, 2015 20:04
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Choppy Choppy your pee pee actually captivated me a bit and I switched to Raw when they were running those segments.
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Aug 17, 2015 20:09
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Choppy Choppy Your Pee Pee meant that Kai en Tai was on screen, though, which is automatically better than almost all of WCW's non-Parka-related programming.
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Aug 17, 2015 20:11
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I begged my dad to take me to Fall Brawl 98 when I was like 10 and even as a kid, I apologized for asking him after the show was over. The most thrilling thing about the show was a fight in the crowd during the horrendous Scott Hall match.
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Aug 17, 2015 20:15
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Tato posted:I begged my dad to take me to Fall Brawl 98 when I was like 10 and even as a kid, I apologized for asking him after the show was over. The most thrilling thing about the show was a fight in the crowd during the horrendous Scott Hall match.
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Aug 17, 2015 20:41
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Think of all the lives Kevin Nash has ruined thanks to his irresponsible, lackadaisical booking. You monsters.
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Aug 17, 2015 20:46
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Kevin Nash being unprofessional stories are infinitely more fun than HHH/HBK being unprofessional stories.
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Aug 17, 2015 20:47
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Halloween Jack posted:This is why I don't think it's very funny when people start in with "Oh Kevin Nash is so awesome for cashing a paycheck from WCW to do nothing and book bullshit." (I'm not saying Nash was responsible for this show in particular.) Kevin Nash did what anybody with half a brain would have expected him to do. Kevin Nash looks out for a) Kevin Nash, and b) people Kevin Nash likes. The blame for any bad Nash booking is on WCW, and WCW is dead. Justice was served.
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Great White Hope posted:Kevin Nash did what anybody with half a brain would have expected him to do. Kevin Nash looks out for a) Kevin Nash, and b) people Kevin Nash likes. The blame for any bad Nash booking is on WCW, and WCW is dead. Justice was served. And I'm genuinely curious about this bit: who constitutes the nebulous "WCW?" As in, who in upper management had the power to fire everyone else in management who were sinking the company?
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Aug 17, 2015 21:05
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Halloween Jack posted:You know, in some industries it's considered unethical and unprofessional to deliberately do a bad job, profit while your company sinks, and gently caress over your customers and colleagues alike. Some people would even say it makes you a bad person. I'm not about to blame Kevin Nash for any deaths, but has it occurred to you that he stood to make even more money by helping the company thrive? This is wrestling. The standard for being a bad person is really, really low.
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Aug 17, 2015 21:06
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As far as we know, Kevin Nash has never murdered anyone, raped anyone, killed any animals, diddled any kids, nor sold any drugs to the Iron Sheik. He's practically a saint.
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Aug 17, 2015 21:11
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Kevin Nash was arrested for chokeslamming his son on Christmas last year!
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Aug 17, 2015 21:18
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Hey it's the powerbomb that was banned all right? Trumped up fuckin charges.
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Alain Post posted:This is wrestling. The standard for being a bad person is really, really low. Shouldn't it be high?
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In other cases, I would be right there with you saying that it's awesome for somebody to rip off a huge company run by idiots. I think it's awesome, for example, that Zack Snyder basically set $80 million on fire just to tell creepy geeks that they're horrible people. But Warner Bros. has billions of dollars and that didn't put them out of business.
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Aug 17, 2015 21:29
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Halloween Jack posted:You know, in some industries it's considered unethical and unprofessional to deliberately do a bad job, profit while your company sinks, and gently caress over your customers and colleagues alike. Some people would even say it makes you a bad person. I'm not about to blame Kevin Nash for any deaths, but has it occurred to you that he stood to make even more money by helping the company thrive? Kevin Nash was an independent contractor with WCW whose best interests were in giving Kevin Nash more money in doing so Kevin Nash helped his colleagues Kevin Nash, Kevin Nash, and Kevin Nash while enriching his target audience of Kevin Nash fans. Kevin Nash also knew that the best way to make more money would be to show how much Kevin Nash was worth to WCW by properly booking WCW. This an industry where you can give sunglasses to a disabled kid and steal them back. Kevin Nash doesn't turn his back on his fans.
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Aug 17, 2015 21:40
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Halloween Jack posted:In other cases, I would be right there with you saying that it's awesome for somebody to rip off a huge company run by idiots. I think it's awesome, for example, that Zack Snyder basically set $80 million on fire just to tell creepy geeks that they're horrible people. But Warner Bros. has billions of dollars and that didn't put them out of business. Kevin Nash did not put WCW out of business.
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Aug 17, 2015 21:40
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What's the name of that book that describes how someone Bischoffed the gently caress out of Sony Pictures in the 90s?
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Oh, I agree. It wasn't anyone person, but Eric Bischoff would be at the top of my list several places above Kevin Nash. Just saying that he had a job with a significant impact on the direction of the company, and he basically acted like a Wall Street CEO.
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Luigi Thirty posted:What's the name of that book that describes how someone Bischoffed the gently caress out of Sony Pictures in the 90s? Adam Sandler : A life story
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DynamiteKidd posted:Kevin Nash was arrested for chokeslamming his son on Christmas last year! because the son was attacking his mother. it still stands
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Nash is still at it, burying the New Blood any chance he gets.
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I can't fault Nash for putting himself first in a business as scummy as wrestling. I'm sure as hell not going to praise him for it though.
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Was "The Booty Man" some kind of private joke that Bischoff let get made into a wrestling gimmick? Having seen all I have seen in wrestling I still don't quite understand how they had Leslie adopt this persona for multiple shows AND at least one PPV.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Was "The Booty Man" some kind of private joke that Bischoff let get made into a wrestling gimmick? Having seen all I have seen in wrestling I still don't quite understand how they had Leslie adopt this persona for multiple shows AND at least one PPV. If you look at Ed Leslie in WCW you will find that he did a lot of things on screen in the name of making Hulk Hogan really, really happy.
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The whole thing just feels like Hogan was doing a lot of cocaine one night, woke up the next morning and saw he'd scribbled BOOTY MAN on a napkin and brought it to Bischoff saying this was gonna be Zodiac's new gimmick.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Was "The Booty Man" some kind of private joke that Bischoff let get made into a wrestling gimmick? Having seen all I have seen in wrestling I still don't quite understand how they had Leslie adopt this persona for multiple shows AND at least one PPV. Brutus > Bruti > Booty ? he was an rear end man yeaaaaah an rear end, man
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I've been slowly working my way through Nitros on the network and it struck me today how quickly the nWo turned to poo poo. I'm only in September 96 and they've already added Virgil to the gang. So that means the angle had three good months tops at a time when wrestling moved a lot more slowly.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Was "The Booty Man" some kind of private joke that Bischoff let get made into a wrestling gimmick? Having seen all I have seen in wrestling I still don't quite understand how they had Leslie adopt this persona for multiple shows AND at least one PPV. Sullivan's podcast answer to "why Booty Man?" was "Eric Bischoff liked Kimberly, who was his valet, and wanted to get her more airtime" and "why did Zodiac just up and become the Booty Man" was "because Hogan told me to do it that way."
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