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DynamicSloth: Jul 30, 2006; "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

brucio posted:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/08/23/mulcair-scales-back-magnitude-of-ndp-s-promised-corporate-tax-hike_n_8027922.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

bloop, I'm disappointed that the only revenue increase the NDP are planning is a smidgen of extra corporate tax.

A lot of that article seems to be hinging on the belief that the words "far below" have any objective meaning.

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Gorau: Apr 28, 2008

I don't really have a list that I can go off of, but does anyone know how much more money would be available to the federal government if the repealed all the boutique tax credits passed in the last 10 years?

# ? Aug 23, 2015 21:08

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

HOW DARE YOU CANCEL THESE TAX CREDITS, HOW WILL I AFFORD TO SEND MY KIDS TO HOCKEY!?! - Some rear end in a top hat that lives in a McMansion and drives a BMW X5.

# ? Aug 23, 2015 21:54

SpannerX: Apr 26, 2010; I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.; Fun Shoe

EvilJoven posted:

HOW DARE YOU CANCEL THESE TAX CREDITS, HOW WILL I AFFORD TO SEND MY KIDS TO HOCKEY!?! - Some rear end in a top hat that lives in a McMansion and drives a BMW X5.

Soon those kids will be picking up lint in the cloth mills and having limbs removed by the machinery as we race to the bottom.

# ? Aug 23, 2015 22:13

Boner Pill Connoisseur: Apr 23, 2002; I took the blue pill.

brucio posted:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/08/23/mulcair-scales-back-magnitude-of-ndp-s-promised-corporate-tax-hike_n_8027922.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

bloop, I'm disappointed that the only revenue increase the NDP are planning is a smidgen of extra corporate tax.

I too am disappointed Tom is not advocating full communism now.

# ? Aug 23, 2015 22:39

ZShakespeare: Jul 20, 2003; The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

Yup, the only possible positions are stay-the-course neoliberal economics and full communism now.

# ? Aug 23, 2015 23:08

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

As far as tax credits go, having one for volunteering with philanthropic organizations has to be among the least offensive, right?

But really:

eXXon posted:

How about just stop creating stupid tax credits and implement a GMI already?

This is the way to go. It's excellent if you're a job creator, too, unless of course your business depends on your underpaid employees having no choice but to work for you or starve, in which case I don't give a gently caress about your unhappiness.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:08

Boner Pill Connoisseur: Apr 23, 2002; I took the blue pill.

ZShakespeare posted:

Yup, the only possible positions are stay-the-course neoliberal economics and full communism now.

I'm glad you're getting into the spirit of the thread, comrade.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:32

Excelzior: Jun 24, 2013

ZShakespeare posted:

Yup, the only possible positions are stay-the-course neoliberal economics and full communism now.

this but unironically

lol if you believe half-assed measures do anything in the face of the juggernaut that is inertia

Excelzior has issued a correction as of 01:47 on Aug 24, 2015

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:43

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

brucio posted:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/08/23/mulcair-scales-back-magnitude-of-ndp-s-promised-corporate-tax-hike_n_8027922.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

bloop, I'm disappointed that the only revenue increase the NDP are planning is a smidgen of extra corporate tax.

... vote liberal ...

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:55

RBC: Nov 23, 2007; IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Is Tommy Mulcair Secretly Planning To Run A Budget DEFICIT?>?? One weird story that will make you think twice about voting NDP..

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:02

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

WTI trading at 39.88$.

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/CL1:COM

Hahaha eat poo poo yall

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:26

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

We need a leader who weathered our economy through uncertain economic times, betting our economy on resource extraction of not WTI but WCS benchmark crude.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:31

Femtosecond: Aug 2, 2003

The Conservatives/Libs absolutely should be running "Mulcair has a hidden agenda" ads.

The NDP have left themselves wide open here. If they don't show their numbers then their opponents will easily be able to play on fears that the NDP will jack up taxes across the board.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:32

brucio: Nov 22, 2004

RBC posted:

Is Tommy Mulcair Secretly Planning To Run A Budget DEFICIT?>?? One weird story that will make you think twice about voting NDP..

Yup there's no legitimate reason for a left leaning person to be disappointed, no sir. I'm probably still gonna vote for Dewar because he's a good guy but yeah, if stuff like this keeps coming out I will think twice about it.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:36

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/thomas-mulcair-proves-a-tricky-target-for-attack-ads/article26060401/

quote:

Briefly this week, Liberals got excited about the surfacing of an old video in which Thomas Mulcair sings the praises of Margaret Thatcher. What could better undermine the NDP Leader�s progressive credentials than footage of him enthusing about the wonders of the free market and the horrors of interventionism?

Within a couple of days, even some members of Justin Trudeau�s party were quietly conceding it was not exactly a major blow to Mr. Mulcair�s election prospects. Among Canadians considering voting NDP for the first time, but still worried it�s too dogmatically left-wing, the clip might actually help him.

The small episode spoke to a broader challenge for Mr. Mulcair�s opponents, which could become one of the race�s defining story lines if the NDP stays strong in the polls. Although he is hardly without his flaws, the combination of who he is and what party he leads makes Mr. Mulcair a tricky target.

Successful political attacks have a couple of things going for them: They have the ring of truth, and they play to concerns about what will happen if whoever is on the receiving end is elected. With Mr. Trudeau, whom Stephen Harper�s Conservatives have spent great sums of money branding �not ready,� these things have synced up fairly neatly. With Mr. Mulcair, they have not.

The negative line against the NDP Leader that adds up best, based on his record, is that he is an opportunist faking it as a happy warrior for the left. Those who were around him during his days at Quebec�s National Assembly, when the Thatcher clip was filmed, tend to describe him as being on the relative right of the provincial Liberals (other than on environmental issues). His detractors from then also snicker at his recent efforts to present himself as warm and fuzzy, recalling him as someone who didn�t play well with others � a reputation he also had through much of his time in Ottawa.

Being seen as insufficiently idealistic, though, has never been the federal NDP�s vulnerability. On the contrary, it has suffered from being seen as too rigidly tied to left-wing ideology and too risky, particularly on economic matters. Far from not seeming like a change agent, it has usually been far enough from the mainstream to seem a big leap. Angles that his opponents might think would work against Mr. Mulcair could instead highlight characteristics, such as pragmatism and government experience, that allay voters� fears.

The federal NDP seems to have struck a balance, including in its agenda ambitious ideas such as a national child-care program, while having those promises delivered by a leader unlikely to be mistaken for a wild-eyed leftist.

It is not just the Liberals struggling with this situation. This month, Innovative Research Group showed survey participants a pair of Conservative ads that use the same job-interview format that has worked against Mr. Trudeau to label Mr. Mulcair a �career politician.� Neither did much to soften the NDP�s support � one of them appearing to have a modest effect, relative to the anti-Liberal ads, and the other having no significant impact .

The caveat here is that Mr. Mulcair has not yet had to withstand the scale of attacks other party leaders have faced. It�s unclear whether the Liberals, wary of alienating left-of-centre swing voters who want to see the focus on replacing Mr. Harper, will ever go full-bore at him. But if the NDP remains a real threat, the Tories eventually will.

Asked this week how that�s likely to play out, Conservatives who have worked on their party�s campaigns raised a variety of options. One is to try to tie him to Quebec nationalism, less politely than the Liberals have so far, which could be aimed particularly at Western Canadians.

With their primary aim to present themselves as the only reliable economic choice, though, the Tories may need to buck recent messaging trends by focusing more on the party than its leader. They might warn against the records of various provincial NDP governments, and highlight allegedly radical views of Mr. Mulcair�s candidates, and generally try to drive home the idea it�s the same old NDP.

It�s worth remembering, though, that the Tories required a couple of years to land on a message that worked against Mr. Trudeau after he took his party�s helm. There are two months to find the right angle against Mr. Mulcair�s version of the NDP. The incongruities won�t make it easy.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:47

ZShakespeare: Jul 20, 2003; The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:53

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

brucio posted:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/08/23/mulcair-scales-back-magnitude-of-ndp-s-promised-corporate-tax-hike_n_8027922.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

bloop, I'm disappointed that the only revenue increase the NDP are planning is a smidgen of extra corporate tax.

At least it's not yet another revenue neutral tax plan that raises taxes in one place only to cut them somewhere else, because taxes can never go up, they can only stay the same or decrease.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:59

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

Cultural Imperial posted:

WTI trading at 39.88$.

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/CL1:COM

Hahaha eat poo poo yall

the price can only go up in the future because they aren't making more oil!

# ? Aug 24, 2015 03:25

linoleum floors: Mar 25, 2012; Please. Let me tell you all about how you're all idiots. I am of superior intellect here. Go suck some dicks. You have all fucking stupid opinions. This is my fucking opinion.

Economic growth increases revenue anyway. Pointing out mulcair CANT ACCOUNT FIR ALL THIS NEW SPENDING!! is a classic anti progressive attack line that doesn't actually mean anything unless you want tax cuts and smaller government and balanced budgets and all those amazing things that have really worked so well

# ? Aug 24, 2015 03:30

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

Femtosecond posted:

The Conservatives/Libs absolutely should be running "Mulcair has a hidden agenda" ads.

The NDP have left themselves wide open here. If they don't show their numbers then their opponents will easily be able to play on fears that the NDP will jack up taxes across the board.

The whole Liberal platform as it is right now is basically a giant blob of silly putty, ready to be molded into a somewhat recognizable shape of the next talking point. I cant think of a single solid number, reference point or non-vague idea that they have promoted yet other than "Hey guys :420:

# ? Aug 24, 2015 03:58

Femtosecond: Aug 2, 2003

Speaking of "revenue neutral" tax plans, it's remarkable that Harper has been constantly criticizing[1] the only point of Carbon Taxes as being a cash grab for governments that need more revenue, when their fellow right wing government government in BC implemented a revenue neutral carbon tax that has not damaged the economy at all, and that has been widely acclaimed as a big success by both the left and right. The media needs to start calling him on this. I'd like to hear his explanation of why the BC carbon tax is bad.

quote:

[1] �The reason governments do carbon taxes is not so they can reduce emissions but so they can get more tax revenue in the government�s pocket,�
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/04/23/carbon-pricing-just-a-tax-grab-stephen-harper-says.html

# ? Aug 24, 2015 04:13

bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad!

Furnaceface posted:

The whole Liberal platform as it is right now is basically a giant blob of silly putty, ready to be molded into a somewhat recognizable shape of the next talking point. I cant think of a single solid number, reference point or non-vague idea that they have promoted yet other than "Hey guys "

Are you loving kidding me or just actually unable to read?

# ? Aug 24, 2015 04:26

Ceciltron: Jan 11, 2007; Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!; Pillbug

The local liberal candidate, Schiefke, looks like Michael Cera in his (very few) campaign signs. I spent the last few Saturdays putting signs up for the NDP incumbent here, Jamie Nicholls. Hope he wins.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 04:52

Melian Dialogue: Jan 9, 2015; NOT A RACIST

bunnyofdoom posted:

Are you loving kidding me or just actually unable to read?

He basically just wrote "Liberal, Tory, same old story" but in multiple sentences, but with the same depth.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 04:55

Hal_2005: Feb 23, 2007

Cultural Imperial posted:

WTI trading at 39.88$.

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/CL1:COM

Hahaha eat poo poo yall

38.10 right now. I think I wrote something about this a few months ago, Venezuela and Mexico are going to make this an epic November OPEC. Given that everyone and their autistic basement dwelling son is now a crude oil economist I'm actually surprised the US energy bill and NAFTA is not front & center among youth voters/center activists.

Melian Dialogue, I totally agree on the outside it looks like LPC & CPC are the same. In fact, most of the LPC strategy is to be as bland as possible and passive steal the CPC fence-sitting swing votes. A quick Summary of the strategy:

Liberal = lightweight leader who is wallpapering over zero foreign policy, fiscal or social authority with populism catering to rich WASP kids who think Canada will fall for Hope & Change 2.0

CPC = Compare all the other G20 countries pre & post 2008. Is your quality of life 40% worse off like 90% of socialist/progressive Europe? How about 90% worse off like the USA ? how about 60% worse off like Japan. I'm quoting the misery index since 2009 of course, but you all know that.

Both the LPC & NDP Govt platforms rely on an assumed 4%/a growth rate for the Canadian economy and most of the policy assumes heavy 2020 backloading of the actual cash burdens for the major wage/carbon burdens. You don't need a masters degree from the university of Calgary (like PM) to know spending cash on shaky credit standards is a recipe for disaster, as proven by the 1995-2008 years in the US.

NDP is currently ahead with something stupid like 39% of all polls, even in riding where they have not announced a candidate yet, so we may very well end up looking like a derpy French commonwealth state in 5 years.

Edit:

On tax credits. Fiscal stimulus rarely actually improves discretionary income. Most projects go to special interest ridings who rarely hire Canadian contractors, making the net effect, esp. for a small open economy like Canada a crappy idea. Fiscal stimulus failures was so bad in the 70's we had to sell off a few crown corps just to prevent a Trudeau default in 1982.

Tax credits have traditionally worked, some guy called Arthur Laffer actually won some prize for proving this. You can snark all you want, but adjusting the tax base, esp. in transitory economic cycles where widespread retooling of the laborforce is not necessary (yet!) is a good plug gap to prevent at risk demographics from going below the PPI. If you think otherwise, you are just a loving idiot who likely doesn't realize nearly every Canadian relies on at least 3 forms of tax credit each year. The Conservative creds will likely add 2k to 10k to every household in Canada, using my Sunday meatball math. No other party can claim that sort of fiscal effect per person since their policies all rely on trickle down economics, which has failed horribly in every other country.

As a rule of thumb, for every fiscal tax dollar C$1, you take C$2.50 out of the economy. For every $1 of tax credit given you get about $0.30 in tax capital gains windfall, $0.50 in productivity and $0.80 in extra cash flow from domestic purchasing; so -$2.50 and a liberal feel good media story vs. $1.60/1 and a snarky bunch of financial illiterates. Figure it out.

Hal_2005 has issued a correction as of 05:39 on Aug 24, 2015

# ? Aug 24, 2015 05:29

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Out of the three parties, I feel like the liberals are getting their message out the best. Every media platform bombards me with Justin says he is ready, to a bunch of policy announcements and what have you. CPC messaging is lost amongst the #duffy or Earl Cowan and the NDP are a little light with advertising at this point IMO. We are still 60 days out so we might see the parties ramp up their dollar burn rate very shortly.

That said some of Justin's policy pieces are direct jabs at the conservative base. He just announced he will reinstate lifelong pensions instead of low denomination one time payments for veterans and reopen the VA offices. Reversing Harper's ideological austerity is such an easy campaign win for him.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 05:41

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Arthur Laffer has never won anything for his laffo curve. Hal is a straight up liar.

Wait this is done sort of turtledove alternate reality right? Where it's proven FDR was the worst traitor in American history for his deficit spending?

namaste friends has issued a correction as of 05:53 on Aug 24, 2015

# ? Aug 24, 2015 05:50

Hal_2005: Feb 23, 2007

Cultural Imperial posted:

Arthur Laffer has never won anything for his laffo curve. Hal is a straight up liar.

Wait this is done sort of turtledove alternate reality right? Where it's proven FDR was the worst traitor in American history for his deficit spending?

No, its reality. Where I am always right, you just don't know it yet. If you were right, you would spend less time being mad at SA and instead be laughing manically at the Chinese central planning tonight.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...-300018872.html

Dr. Laffer has received multiple awards for his economic work, including two Graham and Dodd Awards from the Financial Analyst Federation; the Distinguished Service Award by the National Association of Investment Clubs; the Adam Smith Award for his insights and contributions to the Wealth of Nations; and the Daniel Webster Award for public speaking by the International Platform Association. Dr. Laffer received a B.A. in economics from Yale University and an MBA and Ph.D. in economics from Stanford University.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 05:59

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Hey you forgot his eagle scout badge for most cookies sold at the last funding drive

No you're still a loving liar. Shut up and gently caress off

# ? Aug 24, 2015 06:05

Hodgepodge: Jan 29, 2006; Can't post for 220 days!

That's two awards from the finance industry and one for public speaking.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 06:05

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Guys guys, Arthur Laffer was venerated by Jesus figure Ronald Reagan himself. If that's not credibility I don't know what is.

If you're going to claim deficit spending worthless at least have the loving cojones to cite reinhart and rogoff

Go back to your junior analyst desk and vanquish minesweeper or something

e: Holy poo poo, I don't know how to effectively translate my disdain into words. What kind of loving shitheel cites Laffer with any amount of loving self respect? Is every loving rear end in a top hat with a master's in :airquote:

economics

from the

university :airquote:

of calgary as loving dumb as you?

namaste friends has issued a correction as of 06:13 on Aug 24, 2015

# ? Aug 24, 2015 06:07

Hal_2005: Feb 23, 2007

Cultural Imperial posted:

Guys guys, Arthur Laffer was venerated by Jesus figure Ronald Reagan himself. If that's not credibility I don't know what is.

If you're going to claim deficit spending worthless at least have the loving cojones to cite reinhart and rogoff

Go back to your junior analyst desk and vanquish minesweeper or something

I never said the Nobel, did I?

Dumbass.

Cite one case where deficit spending led to a sustained economic recovery. Romer & Romer discredited the FDR miracle.

A junior analyst would also quote Laffer, as we are talking about stimulus programs. R&R's AER 2010 paper spoke on the total debt burden affecting the optimal AK derived maximum GDP rate at full economic employment. So get your loving facts in order before you ad homin some limp poo poo CI. You know I only pimp slap you once a night, and only because I love you. Take a report.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 06:12

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

With a bullshit spreadsheet. I wouldn't expect a your junior analyst rear end to know that though. Romer & Romer (sic) are as big a bunch of clowns as your illiterate rear end.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 06:15

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

quote:

http://m.edmontonsun.com/2015/08/23/canada-didnt-get-stolen-by-prime-minister-stephen-harper

Ian Robinson is a copy editor on the news desk at the Calgary Sun, whose column appears weekly in Sunday's comment section. Born and raised in Timmins, Ontario, he was a gold miner before attending and graduating from Ryerson's journalism program. He worked as a reporter and editor for seven Ontario newspapers before fleeing to Alberta after the NDP formed a government in his home province.

Canada didn't get stolen by Prime Minister Stephen Harper

Okay, kidlets.

Time to put away the beret and the Che T-shirt.

This is a real-life, grown-up election � so enough with the insurgent fantasies, already.

Deep in every little leftie�s heart, they want to ride into a �liberated� Havana with Che and Fidel. They want to drive the Russian-made tank through the gates of the presidential palace in Saigon. They want to storm the Bastille. (BTW: Hardly a fair fight. A half a dozen guys guarding seven prisoners were butchered by 1,000 armed revolutionaries. That�s like Stephen Hawking versus Ronda Rousey, but I guess the surrender monkeys have to celebrate their victories where they find them.)

The fantasy fuels the zeal. And in the absence of a real enemy � they just invent one.

Which explains why Prime Minister Stephen Harper is being portrayed as the equivalent of Generalissimo Francisco Franco.

Can�t tell you how often on Facebook I�ve seen some variant of this posted: �We have to take our country back!�

Seriously? How did Stephen Harper steal your country?

Let�s run through the arguments.

1. The New York Times doesn�t respect us anymore.

Well � good.

2. We don�t do a lot of UN peacekeeping.

I would argue the UN � at best a noble failed experiment, at worst a corrupt body whose primary task is promoting hatred for Jews on the world stage � isn�t worth anybody�s time.
As for the efficacy of peacekeeping, I refer you to the Rwandan genocide.

3. Harper won�t give government employees the unfettered ability to communicate with the public unsupervised.

If you work for a big oil company downtown, are you allowed to call a press conference to discuss global warming whenever you feel like it?
Didn�t think so.

4. Harper doesn�t like the CBC.

Well � who the hell does? It�s not 1955 anymore and genuine Canadian voices in the culture � like Trailer Park Boys � are doing just fine on Netflix, thank you very much.

5. Bill C-51 destroys democracy.

It�s actually a law to allow government agencies investigating terrorism to talk to each other more efficiently. It�s not about the mass internment of Greenpeace supporters � more�s the pity.

6. Stephen Harper is an evil, soulless cyborg from the future with Lego hair who is a control freak.

So what?

Did everybody forget Harper presided over the merger of the remains of Reform and the Tories?

He inherited all those wild-eyed, old-school prairie radicals who wanted to govern with a King James Bible in one hand and a bullwhip in the other.

The ones wanted to ban abortion and men slow dancing cheek-to-cheek. The ones who thought a woman�s place was on her back or chained to a stove. The guys who thought public executions would be just the thing to further the moral development of the kiddies.

Harper forged a bunch of tired old Tories and the Reform nuts into an effective political organization that actually won elections.

You don�t do that by being Mr. Dressup.

But the end result is something that should gladden the hearts of leftists.

We spend more on health care and all those other things dear to the leftist heart than before Harper came to power. The civil service is bigger. Public money was poured into an economic stimulus.

The Economist reports Canada came out of the global recession in better shape than any other G7 nation.

The only places Harper is free to govern like a right winger is on crime and foreign policy. So murderers spend more time in prison. (Eeek. Eeek.)

Fighter bombers and JTF2 go to hot, dusty places to kill people we don�t like. And in the absence of strong, moral leadership from the Obamawimp, Harper stepped up to scold Russia for tiny trifles like invading other countries.

Neither one of those things is a sin.

You want to hate Stephen Harper, fill your boots, buddy.

But at least have one of those boots on the firm ground of reality.

A hard hitting :airquote:

journalism OP :airquote:

. Don't forget to read the comments.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 06:40

Mederlock: Jun 23, 2012; You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it; Grimey Drawer

CI's new theme song https://youtu.be/Pa0lMzaljTk

# ? Aug 24, 2015 06:42

ocrumsprug: Sep 23, 2010; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Wasn't the Romer and Romer spreadsheet later shown to be a fraud by a graduate student?

e: Oops, I mean Economist.

ocrumsprug has issued a correction as of 06:57 on Aug 24, 2015

# ? Aug 24, 2015 06:45

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

SpannerX posted:

Soon those kids will be picking up lint in the cloth mills and having limbs removed by the machinery as we race to the bottom.

This would never happen in Canada. We don't do manufacturing, remember?

OTOH children are really efficient for extracting coal from narrow seams.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 07:03

PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Hodgepodge posted:

That's two awards from the finance industry and one for public speaking.

It's just like wine; there's a million different loving awards being handed out every year, so everyone gets to cover their bottle in it, and the layman has no way to know if any of them really mean anything.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 07:03

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# ? May 21, 2024 00:22

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

Hal_2005 posted:

The Conservative creds will likely add 2k to 10k to every household in Canada, using my Sunday meatball math. No other party can claim that sort of fiscal effect per person since their policies all rely on trickle down economics, which has failed horribly in every other country.

As a rule of thumb, for every fiscal tax dollar C$1, you take C$2.50 out of the economy. For every $1 of tax credit given you get about $0.30 in tax capital gains windfall, $0.50 in productivity and $0.80 in extra cash flow from domestic purchasing; so -$2.50 and a liberal feel good media story vs. $1.60/1 and a snarky bunch of financial illiterates. Figure it out.

Is Sunday meatball a euphemism for the giant shits you take on this thread every time you post, and then I guess your source for those rule of thumb figures would be your gaping rear end in a top hat that you just pulled them out of?

Now I can totally believe that Conservative 'stimulus' spending to build gazebos and Economic Action Plan signs in key ridings is totally ineffective, but how about actual meaningful spending on key infrastructure or transfers to the poorest 20%? You must have a rebuttal to the oft-cited table 1 here: https://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/documents/Stimulus-Impact-2008.pdf

# ? Aug 24, 2015 07:09

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