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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

RabidWeasel posted:

Dorohedoro recently restarted after the publication it was in stopped printing and it's very Tsutomu Nihei-esque but slightly more coherent and the characters are way more visually distinct which helps following chaotic fights.

Dorohedoro owns and is possibly the best sci-fi/fantasy manga I've ever read. The setting is just extremely unique and the cast of characters is great.

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Avulsion
Feb 12, 2006
I never knew what hit me

Ytlaya posted:

Dorohedoro owns and is possibly the best sci-fi/fantasy manga I've ever read. The setting is just extremely unique and the cast of characters is great.

Dorohedoro is bizarre and fantastic and I love each and every character except for the one guy that you're supposed to hate. Everyone else is either amusingly amoral or entertainingly evil, everyone has goals and motivations and people that they care about. The "bad" guys are selflessly loyal to each other and even the comically evil Devils are always a riot.

nehezir
Aug 9, 2011

Stalwart Guardian of the Lewd
Blame! didn't really do it for me so Dorohedoro was the next thing I checked out. it's been just as great as Avulsion says.

Avulsion
Feb 12, 2006
I never knew what hit me
New chapter out. Somehow, things get worse.

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Sidonia-No-Kishi/Vol-015-Ch-076--The-Mass-Union-Ships--Counter-Attack?id=236907

Daler Mehndi
Apr 10, 2005

Tunak Tunak Tun!

Avulsion posted:

Somehow, things get worse.

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde

ANN posted:

This year's October issue of Kodansha's Afternoon magazine will announce on Tuesday that Tsutomu Nihei's Knights of Sidonia will end in the November issue on September 25.

Not much of a surprise.
Tsumugi's Dream had better come true. :colbert:

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person

sinky posted:

Not much of a surprise.
Tsumugi's Dream had better come true. :colbert:

Huh. That's kind of an abrupt, depressing ending. I feel like there's so much that hasn't been wrapped up.

pairofdimes
May 20, 2001

blehhh

There Bias Two posted:

Huh. That's kind of an abrupt, depressing ending. I feel like there's so much that hasn't been wrapped up.

That's kind of how all his previous works have ended though, Blame and Biomega both had pretty sudden endings. If Sidonia is like those it will probably just end immediately after the battle ends with no epilogue or further explanation.

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!

There Bias Two posted:

I feel like there's so much that hasn't been wrapped up.
Like almost every single manga/anime :(

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
well gently caress that

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled
This battle kind of is the last stand of Sidonia, though. They put everything into this and if they win they have a system to colonize and if they lose they're all dead.

cmykJester
Feb 16, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo
Man. It's really gonna end like next month? I kind of felt like this comic was just getting started in a way. :(

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
Is there a backlog or are we current translation-wise?

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

cmykjester posted:

Man. It's really gonna end like next month? I kind of felt like this comic was just getting started in a way. :(

I'm really sad too, but like I said, this is the final battle. Tanikaze made his harem choice, Ochiai was revealed as an active threat, and the Sidonia is currently fighting a massive final battle with the Gauna over an inhabitable star system(and the Sidonia has taken irreparable damage in the battle already). If they win here, the Sidonia's journey is at an end because they have a place to live now and if they lose here they all die.

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person

Kanos posted:

I'm really sad too, but like I said, this is the final battle. Tanikaze made his harem choice, Ochiai was revealed as an active threat, and the Sidonia is currently fighting a massive final battle with the Gauna over an inhabitable star system(and the Sidonia has taken irreparable damage in the battle already). If they win here, the Sidonia's journey is at an end because they have a place to live now and if they lose here they all die.

But the journey isn't at an end at all. They have no idea where the gauna came from, what motivates them, or how to keep fighting them as their abilities keep escalating. They'll land on the planet and be wiped out in a matter a weeks.

Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

There Bias Two posted:

But the journey isn't at an end at all. They have no idea where the gauna came from, what motivates them, or how to keep fighting them as their abilities keep escalating. They'll land on the planet and be wiped out in a matter a weeks.

i had a sneaking suspicion that this is p much where everything would end

not that it's not disappointing all the same

Avulsion
Feb 12, 2006
I never knew what hit me
If they can temporarily clear out the Guana in the system, they can build a shitload of GBEs and solar power collectors.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

There Bias Two posted:

But the journey isn't at an end at all. They have no idea where the gauna came from, what motivates them, or how to keep fighting them as their abilities keep escalating. They'll land on the planet and be wiped out in a matter a weeks.

The gauna's abilities have continued to escalate, but so has Sidonia's ability to confront them; at the beginning of the series the gauna were literally invincible except by stabbing them with irreplaceable spears in melee combat. Less than 80 chapters later the Sidonia is fielding significant sub-fleets of ships with broadside cannons that can eradicate mass union ships wholesale as a mere escort action for superlasers powered directly by a star. If anything, a settled planetary base of operations in a solar system is likely only to improve Sidonia's chances of survival because their only sources of resources to use to build fighty stuff were salvage and whatever they could haul out of random asteroids when they were a single ship fleeing endlessly through space. They don't actually have the *option* of moving on now, anyway; Sidonia is basically destroyed as a sustainable habitat since it lost its entire internal water supply along with the front third of the entire ship.

As for not knowing where the gauna came from or what motivates them, I'm OK if it doesn't get explained in detail. They're weird inscrutable spooky space monsters who sometimes exhibit weird behavior that might hint towards intelligence. A trite ending like "THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND US ALL ALONG!" would be more unsatisfying to me than them simply remaining a mystery.

Pewdiepie
Oct 31, 2010

They should have sex with the gauna.

Avulsion
Feb 12, 2006
I never knew what hit me

Pewdiepie posted:

They should have sex with the gauna.

Ochiai already did.

nehezir
Aug 9, 2011

Stalwart Guardian of the Lewd

Nate RFB posted:

Is there a backlog or are we current translation-wise?

translation is up to date, minus the upcoming chapter in the next few days.

i'm rather sad to see the manga go. it's been the thing I look forward to most every month for a while now. I miss scifi mecha and space adventures like this.

.Clash
Apr 10, 2009
New Chapter

drat.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
BAD END

Grim Up North
Dec 12, 2011

Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!
the One Of The Good Ones died to save japanese fascism

:japan:

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person

I...what?..Why did I bother to read this?

Dog Kisser
Mar 30, 2005

But People have fears that beasts do not. Questions, too.

There Bias Two posted:

I...what?..Why did I bother to read this?

That's not the last one!

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person

dog kisser posted:

That's not the last one!

Oh okay. Phew. I was thinking this was the most unresolved story I'd ever read from start to finish.

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

There Bias Two posted:

Oh okay. Phew. I was thinking this was the most unresolved story I'd ever read from start to finish.

You've not read any of the author's other works, I assume :v:

nehezir
Aug 9, 2011

Stalwart Guardian of the Lewd
I'm going to miss you, you adorable monstrocity.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
More callbacks to Abara.

Zasze
Apr 29, 2009
Well gently caress I wasnt expecting it wrap up so fast :psyduck:

Xy Hapu
Mar 7, 2004

I don't think there's much need to worry about the ending, I would say his one truly bleak and abrupt ending is NOiSE but even that is lessened by Blame! and he rarely leaves anything unresolved, he just doesn't beat us over the head with it (the megastructure in Blame! for example is pretty much entirely explained, but it still retains its spooky weirdness because it's explained gradually and in broad strokes).

I don't think he's going to provide any further explanation about the Gauna, but only because it's already heavily implied they're just aliens with a fundamental communication incompatibility with humans which makes coexistence impossible. Getting an infodump at the end where someone says, "the gauna are aliens with a fundamental communication incompatibility with humans which makes coexistence impossible" might make the ending feel more resolved but doesn't really add anything, and I don't think it would be his style to do that.

I think this is underscored by how in the latest chapter, the only two beings on humanity's side who had even the smallest possibility of facilitating communication between the two species died, and the Gauna side's attempts in previous chapters were consistently met with gravitational beams to the face/tentacles

I'd still like an answer to what the kabi were though. If I were to pull a theory out of my rear end I'd say they were a third, equally incompatible species' attempt to communicate with the Gauna (which, naturally, just ended up killing Gauna :v:)

Algid
Oct 10, 2007


Tsumugi got quite a few chunks taken out of her during the battle. I'm guessing Lem is going to have a whole lot of clones of hers running around.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン

Xy Hapu posted:

I don't think there's much need to worry about the ending, I would say his one truly bleak and abrupt ending is NOiSE but even that is lessened by Blame! and he rarely leaves anything unresolved, he just doesn't beat us over the head with it (the megastructure in Blame! for example is pretty much entirely explained, but it still retains its spooky weirdness because it's explained gradually and in broad strokes).

I don't think he's going to provide any further explanation about the Gauna, but only because it's already heavily implied they're just aliens with a fundamental communication incompatibility with humans which makes coexistence impossible. Getting an infodump at the end where someone says, "the gauna are aliens with a fundamental communication incompatibility with humans which makes coexistence impossible" might make the ending feel more resolved but doesn't really add anything, and I don't think it would be his style to do that.

I think this is underscored by how in the latest chapter, the only two beings on humanity's side who had even the smallest possibility of facilitating communication between the two species died, and the Gauna side's attempts in previous chapters were consistently met with gravitational beams to the face/tentacles

I'd still like an answer to what the kabi were though. If I were to pull a theory out of my rear end I'd say they were a third, equally incompatible species' attempt to communicate with the Gauna (which, naturally, just ended up killing Gauna :v:)

Maybe the Kabi were left behind by the possible creators of the Gauna and are the only things that remain and they got ate by aliems

Bernardo Orel
Sep 2, 2011

Many many chapters ago, when the tsundere android got introduced, there were some lines about how gauna apparently react to higgs particles, so maybe they are allergic to them and that's why they attack everyone who uses them?

Pensive
Oct 31, 2012

Bernardo Orel posted:

Many many chapters ago, when the tsundere android got introduced, there were some lines about how gauna apparently react to higgs particles, so maybe they are allergic to them and that's why they attack everyone who uses them?

They aren't allergic to them, it seems more like its their primary food/fuel source. Do you remember way back in the chapter about finding the Kabi? The structure they found it in was completely devoid of the stuff and was home to a single inactive Gauna. The moment they got too close it grabbed one of the Gardes and drained its fuel tanks then was back to being a normal Gauna. Benisuzume also did something similar to Tsumugi during their fight.

Jo Joestar
Oct 24, 2013

muike posted:

Maybe the Kabi were left behind by the possible creators of the Gauna and are the only things that remain and they got ate by aliems

Didn't Sidonia's engineers start mass-manufacturing actual Kabi from Gauna placenta? That doesn't rule out any theories, but there's no need to assume that the Kabi was made by non-Gauna aliens.

Jo Joestar fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Aug 31, 2015

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
All the things you can do with Gauna placenta makes me think they're synthetic to begin with. Maybe they're like the BETA from muv-luv and are basically just glorified galactic backhoes.

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Jo Joestar
Oct 24, 2013

muike posted:

All the things you can do with Gauna placenta makes me think they're synthetic to begin with. Maybe they're like the BETA from muv-luv and are basically just glorified galactic backhoes.

Given how easy it apparently is to create Gauna hybrids, and how it's feasible to transfer mindstates to them, I can't help but wonder if the Gauna were originally a product of an alien version of transhumanism.

That would explain how they can be capable of innovating so quickly, and how they needed Benisuzume to work out their tactics for them - they have plenty of mental capacity, but absent an implanted mind they're not very good at using it.

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