Windows 10: I know what I'm doing

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xylo: Feb 21, 2007; <img src="https://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/newbie.gif" border=0>

Lum posted:

At the risk of turning this into a post your desktop thread, I think I have sufficiently undone all of Win10s awfulness, and can now just enjoy the good stuff under the hood.

I thought that was some Ubuntu desktop shot for a second. Glad you were able to get it customized like you wanted.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 07:29

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# ? Apr 18, 2024 02:43

ilkhan: Oct 7, 2004; I LOVE Musk and his pro-first-amendment ways. X is the future.

Lum posted:

At the risk of turning this into a post your desktop thread, I think I have sufficiently undone all of Win10s awfulness, and can now just enjoy the good stuff under the hood.

Win7 virtual machine?
Honestly not sure if that deserves a

or a

# ? Aug 31, 2015 07:33

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

So apparently Microsoft is adding win10's spying bullshit on 8.1 and 7? Is there a guide to turning it off on those systems?

# ? Aug 31, 2015 07:37

Nam Taf: Jun 25, 2005; I am Fat Man, hear me roar!

tekz posted:

So apparently Microsoft is adding win10's spying bullshit on 8.1 and 7? Is there a guide to turning it off on those systems?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/30/windows-10-spying-on-windows-7-and-windows-8/?utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix

Avoid downloading the updates in that article.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 09:26

Srebrenica Surprise: Aug 23, 2008; "L-O-V-E's just another word I never learned to pronounce."

Lum posted:

'sup vertical taskbar buddy.

May I also recommend 7+ Taskbar Tweaker to allow a narrower taskbar and get rid of the show desktop button.

e: also where did you get that battery indicator?

It's BatteryBar, it's a little ugly but does significantly better than the Windows piece of poo poo one that's constantly oscillating for me. Also tracks total capacity/wear which is nice. Thanks for the link for the taskbar tweaker, it's really nice.

e: it's a little better if you use the VistaBar skin (allows a decent contrast between unplugged/plugged unlike much of the others) and ofc Segue UI for the font

Srebrenica Surprise fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Aug 31, 2015

# ? Aug 31, 2015 13:55

Segmentation Fault: Jun 7, 2012

tekz posted:

So apparently Microsoft is adding win10's spying bullshit on 8.1 and 7? Is there a guide to turning it off on those systems?

Quit freaking the gently caress out and realize that literally every other consumer electronics/internet service company you buy poo poo from/sign up for is doing the exact same poo poo.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 14:03

xamphear: Apr 9, 2002; SILK FOR CALDÉ!

xylo posted:

I thought that was some Ubuntu desktop shot for a second. Glad you were able to get it customized like you wanted.

This, but sincerely (unless you are being sincere). Part of the value of Windows to me is being able to make it work and look how I want. My customizations aren't as drastic as his, but that doesn't make them any more or less valid. I'm glad that Windows can, for the time being, still be configured however you'd like.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 14:04

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

Segmentation Fault posted:

Quit freaking the gently caress out and realize that literally every other consumer electronics/internet service company you buy poo poo from/sign up for is doing the exact same poo poo.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/tu-quoque/

e: I'm sorry but this kind of reasoning really ticks me off.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 14:07

Segmentation Fault: Jun 7, 2012

Truga posted:

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/tu-quoque/

This only works if microsoft is the only company you're using a service from. If you're going to freak out over this stuff you might as well stop using consumer electronics in general.

Logical fallacies aren't yu-gi-oh trap cards, you don't get to throw one down and automatically defeat someone's argument.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 14:10

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't give a poo poo what microsoft does to its users, but saying "you shouldn't care about microsoft because someone else does it too" is beyond loving retarded.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 14:10

xamphear: Apr 9, 2002; SILK FOR CALDÉ!

Segmentation Fault posted:

This only works if microsoft is the only company you're using a service from. If you're going to freak out over this stuff you might as well stop using consumer electronics in general.

So your only options are all or nothing? You shouldn't take any measures, because it'll never be perfect?

# ? Aug 31, 2015 14:12

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

It's a black and white world, with hyperbole all the way down.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 14:12

Segmentation Fault: Jun 7, 2012

Truga posted:

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't give a poo poo what microsoft does to its users, but saying "you shouldn't care about microsoft because someone else does it too" is beyond loving retarded.

I'm not saying "you shouldn't care about microsoft because someone else does it too," I'm saying "why focus on Microsoft when literally every other company is doing it too, I don't see you protesting Apple or Google or Facebook."

xamphear posted:

So your only options are all or nothing? You shouldn't take any measures, because it'll never be perfect?

Way to miss the point. I'm saying that if you're going to have a conviction about user privacy maybe have some integrity about it and focus on it in general instead of a single company.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 14:13

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

Segmentation Fault posted:

I'm not saying "you shouldn't care about microsoft because someone else does it too," I'm saying "why focus on Microsoft when literally every other company is doing it too, I don't see you protesting Apple or Google or Facebook."

Because this is a windows 10 thread. Also, I don't use google/apple products because alternatives exist, but I do use windows cause I play games, so this is relevant to me.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 14:14

Segmentation Fault: Jun 7, 2012

Truga posted:

Because this is a windows 10 thread. Also, I don't use google/apple products because alternatives exist, but I do use windows cause I play games, so this is relevant to me.

You know Steam collects your user info right? :tinfoil:

# ? Aug 31, 2015 14:22

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

It collects the user info I let it collect, yes. Much like microsoft.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 14:23

Segmentation Fault: Jun 7, 2012

Truga posted:

It collects the user info I let it collect, yes. Much like microsoft.

So there doesn't seem to be an issue with Microsoft then?

# ? Aug 31, 2015 14:23

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

tekz posted:

So apparently Microsoft is adding win10's spying bullshit on 8.1 and 7? Is there a guide to turning it off on those systems?

https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking/releases

Sorry for the delay, had to dig it up. This only works on windows 10 at the moment, but I'm sure he'll also fix it for 7 and 8.1, now that microsoft patched them.

e: http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/28/microsoft-intensifies-data-collection-on-windows-7-and-8-systems/
Here are instructions on what you can do now, but it's more than a single click.

Segmentation Fault posted:

So there doesn't seem to be an issue with Microsoft then?

There is when you're suddenly opted into something you explicitly opted out of during install. I know where to disable this poo poo. Most users don't.

Truga fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Aug 31, 2015

# ? Aug 31, 2015 14:26

GreenNight: Feb 19, 2006; Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Stanley Pain posted:

I had a feeling this would be the case, but I was hoping it wouldn't. Windows isn't halting the computer at all.

Trying running shutdown /s from a command prompt and see if it experiences the same problem. One other question. Are you using any start menu replacement?

Shutdown /s worked great too. And no start menu replacements.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 15:16

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Truga posted:

https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking/releases

Sorry for the delay, had to dig it up. This only works on windows 10 at the moment, but I'm sure he'll also fix it for 7 and 8.1, now that microsoft patched them.

e: http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/28/microsoft-intensifies-data-collection-on-windows-7-and-8-systems/
Here are instructions on what you can do now, but it's more than a single click.

There is when you're suddenly opted into something you explicitly opted out of during install. I know where to disable this poo poo. Most users don't.

Thank you!

# ? Aug 31, 2015 16:20

ThermoPhysical: Dec 26, 2007

Anyone have any idea why 10 decided to make my 1.5TB storage drive a System drive and the C drive some normal thing?

How badly is this going to gently caress me over later and why did this happen?

# ? Aug 31, 2015 16:23

The Gunslinger: Jul 24, 2004; Do not forget the face of your father.; Fun Shoe

Truga posted:

https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking/releases

Sorry for the delay, had to dig it up. This only works on windows 10 at the moment, but I'm sure he'll also fix it for 7 and 8.1, now that microsoft patched them.

e: http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/28/microsoft-intensifies-data-collection-on-windows-7-and-8-systems/
Here are instructions on what you can do now, but it's more than a single click.

There is when you're suddenly opted into something you explicitly opted out of during install. I know where to disable this poo poo. Most users don't.

I haven't had time to dump traffic yet, do those actually disable telemetry?

# ? Aug 31, 2015 16:33

hooah: Feb 6, 2006; WTF?

Motherfucking Windows and its sleep issues. Up until the last couple of days or so, my desktop would hibernate just fine when I hit the power button. Now, however, I've twice watched it wake right back up after it finishes the hibernation process. How can I track down the cause of this? powercfg -lastwake doesn't provide any useful information.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 18:22

The Gunslinger: Jul 24, 2004; Do not forget the face of your father.; Fun Shoe

Go to Event Viewer -> Windows -> System and look for Power-troubleshooter entries. You can create a custom view if your event log is too spammy. An older version of Teamviewer was causing problems like that so if you're using that, make sure its updated. Otherwise have fun hunting down "Allow this device to wake the computer" tabs in all 40 USB and network card drivers

# ? Aug 31, 2015 18:31

Stanley Pain: Jun 16, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

GreenNight posted:

Shutdown /s worked great too. And no start menu replacements.

Something in your shutdown menu is screwy. No idea what/how though.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 18:55

Generic Monk: Oct 31, 2011

Whenever I power cycle my monitor all my windows get bumped to the top-left of the scree. Obviously it's adjusting to a non-existent new resolution, but this never happened in 8.1. ATi 290X and one of those cheap as chips korean 27" monitors connected via DVI, if that's any help.

Lum posted:

At the risk of turning this into a post your desktop thread, I think I have sufficiently undone all of Win10s awfulness, and can now just enjoy the good stuff under the hood.

lmao

Generic Monk fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Aug 31, 2015

# ? Aug 31, 2015 20:09

Cojawfee: May 31, 2006; I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Generic Monk posted:

Whenever I power cycle my monitor all my windows get bumped to the top-left of the scree. Obviously it's adjusting to a non-existent new resolution, but this never happened in 8.1. ATi 290X and one of those cheap as chips korean 27" monitors connected via DVI, if that's any help.

lmao

When you have no monitors connected, it switches to 1024x768 for some reason.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 20:15

Lum: Aug 13, 2003

xamphear posted:

This, but sincerely (unless you are being sincere). Part of the value of Windows to me is being able to make it work and look how I want. My customizations aren't as drastic as his, but that doesn't make them any more or less valid. I'm glad that Windows can, for the time being, still be configured however you'd like.

hers

And for the most part I just wanted rid of the awful bright white that everything is, so aero lite theme (which is signed by MS, just disabled by default) and glass8 it is. I actually like the new start menu and am only running StartIsBack because win+start typing program name fails about 50% of the time and just ignores your keystrokes. Once that's fixed I'll go back to the new menu.

Yeah I have like 4 UI hacks running, but so far they're all stable. (7tt, tclock, startisback & glass8)

Also, thank gently caress the new command prompt finally has cut+paste that works in a sensible manner.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 21:36

Generic Monk: Oct 31, 2011

Cojawfee posted:

When you have no monitors connected, it switches to 1024x768 for some reason.

This seems like a pretty simple thing to get right

Lum posted:

hers

And for the most part I just wanted rid of the awful bright white that everything is, so aero lite theme (which is signed by MS, just disabled by default) and glass8 it is. I actually like the new start menu and am only running StartIsBack because win+start typing program name fails about 50% of the time and just ignores your keystrokes. Once that's fixed I'll go back to the new menu.

Yeah I have like 4 UI hacks running, but so far they're all stable. (7tt, tclock, startisback & glass8)

Also, thank gently caress the new command prompt finally has cut+paste that works in a sensible manner.

yeah, I don't really like the look of your setup but at least it isn't so loving WHITE. kind of makes me appreciate pre-yosemite OSX in that while the stitched leather bullshit wasn't great looking it at least wasn't using white as the base colour for literally everything.

Generic Monk fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Aug 31, 2015

# ? Aug 31, 2015 22:10

OgNar: Oct 26, 2002; They tapdance not, neither do they fart

Srebrenica Surprise posted:

Can you tell me how to get that battery meter? I've been searching for one but no luck.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 23:18

KillHour: Oct 28, 2007

Lum posted:

Both of you need to get T-Clock Redux

Not tested the option to show on second taskbar, but it exists and is labelled as Windows 8+

Hey, purple desktop buddy. :hfive:

# ? Aug 31, 2015 23:41

BattleCattle: May 11, 2014

I can only really stand the white if I accent it with pink. Not sure what that says about me.

# ? Sep 1, 2015 00:53

Happy_Misanthrope: Aug 3, 2007; "I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

Happy_Misanthrope posted:

With Win8, when I freshly installed and logged in during setup with my MS account, I would get an option to restore my config from the last synced copy with a timestamp - I never got this during the re-install. A quirk/bug, or are your settings/layout not backed up in addition to not being synced?

Yup, apparently no backup of the SM config of any kind. Dumb, dumb.

# ? Sep 1, 2015 01:17

Srebrenica Surprise: Aug 23, 2008; "L-O-V-E's just another word I never learned to pronounce."

OgNar posted:

Can you tell me how to get that battery meter? I've been searching for one but no luck.

I gave a link up the page if you missed it! Another thing is you can shrink it if you shrink the font on the battery (I put it at 9pt) but since the taskbar doesn't handle a single column of icons very well it's kind of moot in making the taskbar skinnier.

# ? Sep 1, 2015 01:22

hooah: Feb 6, 2006; WTF?

The Gunslinger posted:

Go to Event Viewer -> Windows -> System and look for Power-troubleshooter entries. You can create a custom view if your event log is too spammy. An older version of Teamviewer was causing problems like that so if you're using that, make sure its updated. Otherwise have fun hunting down "Allow this device to wake the computer" tabs in all 40 USB and network card drivers

Turns out that when I set up a WOL system, I forgot to check the box in my ethernet driver that said "only wake the system with a magic packet". No idea why it wasn't causing problems before the last couple days.

# ? Sep 1, 2015 02:07

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

Cojawfee posted:

When you have no monitors connected, it switches to 1024x768 for some reason.

There's a place in the registry that you can set the dimensions of the default/virtual/whatever display that's used in that case. Only a few days ago I had the link open, but now I can't find it. Maybe you'll have better Google luck than I have...

E:

ColHannibal posted:

FYI guy's I have been chasing this issue all weekend and I just got resolution on it.

If you are using a fancy new corsair cpu cooler that talks to the corsair link program, it will not function properly on window's 10. Windows turns on some usb power management thing that prevents adjustment of pump and fan speeds for the cooler, details in the link below to fix the problem.

http://forum.corsair.com/forums/showthread.php?p=785550

The guy has some other issues but the real jump up is turn enhancedpowermanagment off or your pump will run at max speed and your fans will run at low speed with no adjustment possible. The system information viewer program after the link lets you update it easy enough.

I can't find that checkbox anywhere, using the latest SIV64.

Subjunctive fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Sep 1, 2015

# ? Sep 1, 2015 02:10

FronzelNeekburm: Jun 1, 2001; STOP, MORTTIME

Why yes, Windows, I do still want to keep using Chrome to open URLs! Thanks for asking!

# ? Sep 1, 2015 11:02

Inverness: Feb 4, 2009; Fully configurable personal assistant.

tekz posted:

So apparently Microsoft is adding win10's spying bullshit on 8.1 and 7? Is there a guide to turning it off on those systems?

That "spying bullshit" is itself mostly bullshit conjured by people that can't see past their tinfoil hats.

You'd be best served to extract yourself from the echo chamber surrounding Windows 10's behavior.

# ? Sep 1, 2015 12:46

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

The Gunslinger posted:

I haven't had time to dump traffic yet, do those actually disable telemetry?

Well it does "disable" it in registry etc., but I don't know if it actually disables it. I don't have windows 10 installed atm so I can't test yet.

As for the things in windows 8.1, I didn't install them and I get zero traffic to microsoft. I'm guessing uninstalling should do the same thing.

Inverness posted:

That "spying bullshit" is itself mostly bullshit conjured by people that can't see past their tinfoil hats.

You'd be best served to extract yourself from the echo chamber surrounding Windows 10's behavior.

I really really don't get why people are defending this. There's plenty of good things in windows 10, but this isn't one of them, just get over it already.

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# ? Apr 18, 2024 02:43

Skarsnik: Oct 21, 2008; I...AM...RUUUDE!

Truga posted:

I really really don't get why people are defending this. There's plenty of good things in windows 10, but this isn't one of them, just get over it already.

Mostly because its true?

Someone post the thing with Nazi's again

# ? Sep 1, 2015 13:19

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