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But she still chose to be an empress given the option. I don't see a difference. I mean for a game where the determination between whether she lives or dies kind of depends on how much you made her feel capable, responsible and could make her own choices; it doesn't make sense that all of a sudden the story would renege on that big thing just because she went to see her biological father. Doctor Butts fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Aug 31, 2015 |
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Doctor Butts posted:There's nothing in the exposition that says that she was forced into becoming an empress over being a Witcher though, so I disagree. There's a whole rich field of story telling that doesn't involve overt exposition at all. Doctor Butts posted:Ok then. So why did she choose to become an empress? She felt she had to, suddenly, for reasons we're not really privy to. It's all very abrupt and strange. Doctor Butts posted:But she still chose to be an empress given the option. I don't see a difference. Emhyr is a skilled manipulator. And she didn't just up and decide to go visit dad. She did it at Geralt's urging, after reassurances from Geralt that Emhyr really had no plans for her and just wanted to talk.
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I'm pretty sure other Lodge members are more or less unaffected by whatever Philippa plans, or at least don't care. With possible exception of Francesca, if those plans ever involve Dol Blathanna.
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So, no more spoiler tags, eh?
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Beeez posted:So, no more spoiler tags, eh? Oops. Well, come on, it's been months. GuyUpNorth posted:I'm pretty sure other Lodge members are more or less unaffected by whatever Philippa plans, or at least don't care. With possible exception of Francesca, if those plans ever involve Dol Blathanna. Francesca and Ida have both already bailed on the Lodge, as has Keira by this point. The only ones still really on board seem to be Philippa, Margarita, and Fringilla.
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She does it because she thinks it's the right thing to do and it doesn't really matter if that's what she wants more. There's a pretty big difference in doing something because you feel you have to and doing something because you want to do it. Narratively, Geralt isn't making the decision for her and neither is Emhyr but that isn't really the point. The role you play is in bringing them together in the first place because she has some very real, very good reasons to not ever want to talk to him again. But, again, in the ending where the entire thing is left up to her with no outside influence she becomes a witcher. That's what she wants to do in the books, and that's what she wants to do in this game.Beeez posted:So, no more spoiler tags, eh? Yeah I was wondering about that but at first (I did use them at first). If people want, I can go back and edit them in.
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I only had a chance to start playing last month, but fair enough.
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I do find it pretty suspicious that she is vehemently against it after initially talking to him but changes her mind after an off-screen correspondence and even then admits she was kind of hoping Geralt wouldn't let her do it. Feels like something else is going on there.
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Savy Saracen salad posted:Sigi Dikjstra alone has more personality than the entire cast of dragon age combined. I would love to shake the hand of the person who wrote the dialogs. The tabby cat that geralt looks at while awaiting for that guys daughter has more personality than most of them. That's one sassy cat.
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GuyUpNorth posted:I'm pretty sure other Lodge members are more or less unaffected by whatever Philippa plans, or at least don't care. With possible exception of Francesca, if those plans ever involve Dol Blathanna. I don't think that's true at all, especially by the time the games roll around. Philippa pulls everyone into her schemes; she's a major reason everyone hates mages. Well, they've always hated mages to some extent but she's definitely made it much worse.
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I'm sorry that I didn't complete you Witcher.  maybe after mgs5....
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I feel like the transition between Witcher and MGSV's stories is going to be hilarious. Getting into MGS mode is easy: All of the characters are lying and the actual motive makes no sense and also no matter how good someone's intentions are everything is hosed. But going the other direction, "holy poo poo people's motivations are in line with characters and not the result of some convoluted conspiracy and they're not a clone?"
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what if it were closer than you think and there were hidden Witcher contract bosses in the postgame like how Peace Walker had Monster Hunter bosses
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Spite posted:I don't think that's true at all, especially by the time the games roll around. Philippa pulls everyone into her schemes; she's a major reason everyone hates mages. Well, they've always hated mages to some extent but she's definitely made it much worse. There was a brief glorious period where mages were well respected in the North, even considered heroes. Then Philippa and Vilgefortz happened.
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The Sharmat posted:There was a brief glorious period where mages were well respected in the North, even considered heroes. I'm kinda confused about this timeline, Phil is 300 years old, isn't she? What the hell has she been doing this time that she isn't already queen of the world/killed to death? Also, regarding that Yen outtake, how do you even plan to kill the most powerful sorceress anyway? She's been around for 300 years, she's been targeted for death a few times now. Really, how can someone confidently claim she's gonna be taken out?
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pik_d posted:I'm kinda confused about this timeline, Phil is 300 years old, isn't she? What the hell has she been doing this time that she isn't already queen of the world/killed to death? Toss a bunch of dimeterium at her. She's powerful, but not invincible. Or else she would still have her eyes 
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pik_d posted:I'm kinda confused about this timeline, Phil is 300 years old, isn't she? What the hell has she been doing this time that she isn't already queen of the world/killed to death? Even a 300 year old wizard with the powers of a lesser god can still have their head removed from their shoulders.
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pik_d posted:I'm kinda confused about this timeline, Phil is 300 years old, isn't she? What the hell has she been doing this time that she isn't already queen of the world/killed to death? Slap them in dimeritium when they're drained from a huge battle, off with their heads. Mages are tough, but they need time and energy. Until the last twenty years or so Philippa seemed content to rule from behind the scenes. Also until recently, there were older and more powerful mages to keep people like Philippa in check. After Thanedd, not so much.
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Nilfgaard is very good at capturing and killing mages. I'm actually surprised Emhyr hasn't had Philippa killed actually (And to be frank the only reason Geralt and Yennefer are still alive is because Ciri cares about them so much). She's clearly a threat to Ciri and a threat to take Ciri away from him and/or make her an enemy. Geralt and Yen wouldn't use her as a political pawn in a power grab against him and you better believe Phil wants to. I don't remember - is Philippa at Vilgefortz' level? I recall him basically being a demigod. And from the books I think of Yen as being really powerful as well - the game doesn't really show it (though they do show her singlehandedly repelling the white frost and the hunt). Spite fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Sep 1, 2015 |
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That cut is at least partly responsible for the story problems with the Empress ending.
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pik_d posted:I'm kinda confused about this timeline, Phil is 300 years old, isn't she? What the hell has she been doing this time that she isn't already queen of the world/killed to death? Letho proved that Witchers are fast enough to gently caress their poo poo up in close quarters due to mutated reflexes and speed combined with knowing where and how to hit. They aren't immune to being stabbed, and dimeritium, as has been mentioned, nullifies magic and makes them super vulnerable. That being said, if you are more than 50 feet from a pissed off sorceress you are pretty hosed unless there are a lot of you. MrJacobs fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Sep 1, 2015 |
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You can also just take them out with a cheap shot while they're not looking, unless they've prepared for it ahead of time. Mages have all kinds of countermeasures they can do, if they're allowed to do them. But they can't do all of them at once, and they can't do them all the time. In the books mages are on occasion thwarted by something as simple as a sudden rock to the head. EDIT: Oh, and lest we forget: Nilfgaard has an Imperial mage corps. So Emhyr can send mages to catch mages. The Sharmat fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Sep 1, 2015 |
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MrJacobs posted:Letho proved that Witchers are fast enough to gently caress their poo poo up in close quarters due to mutated reflexes and speed combined with knowing where and how to hit. They aren't immune to being stabbed, and dimeritium, as has been mentioned, nullifies magic and makes them super vulnerable. That being said, if you are more than 50 feet from a pissed off sorceress you are pretty hosed unless there are a lot of you. On the other hand Vilgefortz proved that wizards are fast enough to gently caress up Geralt using only a staff.
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sebmojo posted:The tabby cat that geralt looks at while awaiting for that guys daughter has more personality than most of them. The staring contest is quite funny and a quip at the books. Cats can't stand the presence of witchers, but this one isn't scared. Fun fact: Next to mages and dragons, cats are the only non-conjuction beings that can and do draw power from the elements, but nobody knows for what purpose they do.
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Snak posted:The problem I have with death march is that I want to fight guys that are too high level and my damage is gimped. So I can fight them, but I have to evade their attacks for 10 times as long. It's really lame. Just let me have challenging combat that isn't a grind. Gated content and damage sponge enemies you say?!?!
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I'm glad I just finished the game yesterday or reading the previous page in this thread would have ruined a bunch of poo poo for me. Ending chat: Ciri went into 'the light' and ended up in a blizzard. She then had some good memories of Geralt and then we were in White Orchard. We walked and walked and walked and threw a bomb at a bear. Eventually Ciri revealed she was going to Emyrh to become Assistant to the Regional Manager in the little village of Scranton. From what I gathered on the last page, this is a pretty good ending. I'm now taking a long rear end break from this game.
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One thing I love about this game is how realistic weather is. Like how you're walking through an area and there's some strong wind blowing and it just feels right. Beats just having "sunny" or "rain". Also, playing this on surround sound is an absolute delight, especially when you activate your witcher senses. The gurgles, creaks, etc. ambient noises are so good. ZeeBoi fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Sep 1, 2015 |
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While that's true, it would be nice if the NPCs also reacted properly to the weather instead of just standing there chilling or picking wheat while a goddamned hurricane is coming down on themme your dad posted:I'm glad I just finished the game yesterday or reading the previous page in this thread would have ruined a bunch of poo poo for me. The only thing I didn't like about the ending is they clearly couldn't figure out how to resolve Ciri vs Snow God(???) thing and just left it up to the player to imagine. Which I'm never a fan of.
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Macaluso posted:The only thing I didn't like about the ending is they clearly couldn't figure out how to resolve Ciri vs Snow God(???) thing and just left it up to the player to imagine. Which I'm never a fan of. Oh I actually really liked that. There's no way their depiction of Ciri driving back the White Frost could have lived up to the enormity of the situation.
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Macaluso posted:While that's true, it would be nice if the NPCs also reacted properly to the weather instead of just standing there chilling or picking wheat while a goddamned hurricane is coming down on them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMWW31FVCy0&t=255s Unless you mean some quest-related snowstorm or something in which case I don't remember.
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I didn't think it would happen, but I finished the Keira quests with the hunt hounds and I think I'm finally just burnt out on W3. Probably because I did literally everything the first time. madden 16, here I come.
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JetsGuy posted:I didn't think it would happen, but I finished the Keira quests with the hunt hounds and I think I'm finally just burnt out on W3. Probably because I did literally everything the first time. madden 16, here I come. yeah, on my death march playthrough i just got to skellige and am a bit burnt out because i finished velen first. time for some diablo 3 and payday 2 for a bit. Witcher 3 always being there is great though and im sure i'll eventually finish 3 playthroughs.
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Macaluso posted:While that's true, it would be nice if the NPCs also reacted properly to the weather instead of just standing there chilling or picking wheat while a goddamned hurricane is coming down on them Not every single NPC reacts to the weather, but most of them do.
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Snak posted:Oh I actually really liked that. There's no way their depiction of Ciri driving back the White Frost could have lived up to the enormity of the situation. I think the white frost is supposed to be a sort of manifestation of entropy, and Ciri's power to manipulate spacetime pretty much lets her give entropy the finger. So my interpretation of what happned is that she just shoved sourceless energy into the entropy monster until it stopped being an immediate threat. She's basically pushing back the heat death of the universe.
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mmkay posted:On the other hand Vilgefortz proved that wizards are fast enough to gently caress up Geralt using only a staff. Vilgefortz had prep time and knew he was potentially going up against a witcher. Also Vilgefortz is probably the most powerful mage in the entire series and is bullshit strong.
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Crigit posted:I think the white frost is supposed to be a sort of manifestation of entropy, and Ciri's power to manipulate spacetime pretty much lets her give entropy the finger. So my interpretation of what happned is that she just shoved sourceless energy into the entropy monster until it stopped being an immediate threat. She's basically pushing back the heat death of the universe. Okay, people keep saying this. The White Frost might me thematically similar to the heat death of the universe, but it's mechanically something else entirely. "Heat Death" doesn't mean everything just gets really cold. The heat death of the universe is when individual atoms have spread so far apart that they no longer interact with each other. It has nothing to do with entire planets turning into frozen wastelands. The White Frost (in W3) is clearly manifested as a cold wind that comes from "somewhere else". The heat death of the universe is a natural consequence of physics (maybe), while the White Frost is an active force.
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The White Frost also explicitly comes from the place between universes in this setting rather than being an intrinsic property of physics. It does seem to be an energy sink for the universes it's leaking to, though.
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The White Frost is just the universe where you left the refrigerator open when you left the house, and now there's no stopping it. Your mother warned you this would happen! 
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Comte de Saint-Germain posted:Not every single NPC reacts to the weather, but most of them do. I guess I just never noticed. Every time I'm in a village and it's raining I always see people acting like it's not even happening
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