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the_steve posted:I would be fine with burning the blood scrolls, but not as an offering. Just a normal fire to remove something evil from the world. I just printed ten copies of this post and burned them in my backyard.
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Tsyni posted:I just printed ten copies of this post and burned them in my backyard. Keep trying, I'm still here.
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Sep 2, 2015 08:26
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I don't believe El would be upset at the burning of blood magic scrolls. Burning evil artifacts is entirely El's thing: you break into a demonic fort, you take the evidence of their atrocities, horrible things they've butchered people to create, and you destroy them in the name of El, putting them on El's altar and burning them in El's honour. I'd be very curious to see what happened if we sacrificed the full orb, if it worked it would probably be spectacular, but I'm afraid that smashing them and releasing what's inside, so close to the giant's territory, would alert something there more than that it would piss off El.
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Theglavwen posted:I don't believe El would be upset at the burning of blood magic scrolls. Burning evil artifacts is entirely El's thing: you break into a demonic fort, you take the evidence of their atrocities, horrible things they've butchered people to create, and you destroy them in the name of El, putting them on El's altar and burning them in El's honour. Diogines posted:
That seems pretty clear cut to me. The scrolls are almost certainly not a suitable offering, and most likely the filled soul gems too. The empty ones may or may not be, as we don't really know what's involved in their construction. The safe option is just not to sacrifice any of it and risk seriously pissing off El when we have plenty of offerings we can give that we know for a fact to be more than acceptable.
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Eh, fair enough. Though I feel like there's a difference between using the blood of a man as a sacrifice, vs. using something that's been steeped in a man's blood, or has otherwise profaned and used it in its creation. Like, would we get in trouble for sacrificing a weapon of the enemy's that still had human blood on it? It's not the blood we're sacrificing, it's just ... there. Still though, you're right, the stone was pretty clear (even if that's Zepa talking and not El), and even if there does turn out to be a difference, we're probably better off not trying it.
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Sep 2, 2015 09:28
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We could sacrifice the imaginary beast we made and toast up some yummy sandwiches (whatever those are).
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Sep 2, 2015 10:16
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EG Don't sacrifice stuff with human blood on it, or anything that contains a soul.
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Sep 2, 2015 10:35
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Eh, Zepa was talking about using blood and souls for sorcery, not as offerings. I'm just going on the fact that human sacrifice is The Biggest Sin, and our culture paints with a pretty broad brush on this subject - cremation is not a thing, just because it resembles using people for burnt offerings. But yeah, I'd be fine with just burning the drat things. I only took them to deny their use to the enemy.
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Sep 2, 2015 11:04
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1. What do you sacrifice? W. Something else. Fill in. *One Blooded Bronze Arrow* + S. One of the clay jars filled with a large scroll that you stole... borrowed... took from Amalek. 2. You have time to implement one of the following to assist with the fight. Which of the following do you want to do? D. Giants are very, very big. And they probably hate falling on their faces just as much as everyone else. Dig a series of small holes in your preferred battle site and fill them with wooden spikes. Hopefully you can get a few of the giants to trip or stab themselves. Cornuto fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Sep 2, 2015 |
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Sep 2, 2015 11:23
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1F 2B Our donkeys seem just about our most practically valuable resource right now.
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Sep 2, 2015 11:45
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UppaTree posted:Eh, Zepa was talking about using blood and souls for sorcery, not as offerings. I'm just going on the fact that human sacrifice is The Biggest Sin, and our culture paints with a pretty broad brush on this subject - cremation is not a thing, just because it resembles using people for burnt offerings. Diogines posted:
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Sep 2, 2015 11:55
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It looks pretty clear cut to me, don't offer blood magic made-items. If we're still unsure, we can always bring them back and ask Zeb what would be appropriate. We don't have to sacrifice them now.
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Sep 2, 2015 12:14
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Theglavwen posted:I don't believe El would be upset at the burning of blood magic scrolls. Burning evil artifacts is entirely El's thing: you break into a demonic fort, you take the evidence of their atrocities, horrible things they've butchered people to create, and you destroy them in the name of El, putting them on El's altar and burning them in El's honour. I'd lean toward this as well. The will and intent of those words is "Don't sacrifice people to El."
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Sep 2, 2015 12:18
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Sep 2, 2015 13:02
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Theglavwen posted:Eh, fair enough. Though I feel like there's a difference between using the blood of a man as a sacrifice, vs. using something that's been steeped in a man's blood, or has otherwise profaned and used it in its creation. Like, would we get in trouble for sacrificing a weapon of the enemy's that still had human blood on it? It's not the blood we're sacrificing, it's just ... there. Still though, you're right, the stone was pretty clear (even if that's Zepa talking and not El), and even if there does turn out to be a difference, we're probably better off not trying it. I feel like this is similar to the situation of the corrupted Scorpion grove from our days apprenticing under Aaron - a fruit tree is awesome and don't harm it, but if it has become corrupted just put it out of its misery and be quick about it. We likely wouldn't offer a sacrifice of the corrupted fruit - so we probably shouldn't offer up a corrupted scroll (or soul) either.
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Sep 2, 2015 13:02
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Sep 2, 2015 13:03
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I can't think of any bigger sacrifice to make for Enkidel currently than one of the scrolls of writing we got from Amok. They represent all we want to accomplish with Kavodel and more. It is information we will never get back. We might not have gained it from large hardship (although we did loose a man to the hunger demon guarding it) but it's worth to us personally is beyond measure. At least for the part of Enkidels Psyche that is me. We own a silvermine. We own a city. Gems and treasure are basically worthless to us. 1:S 2:D Uriah: Can you read the scrolls with your new powers?
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Sep 2, 2015 13:26
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1.J 2.D The clear crystals don't seem to have souls in them, so they should be fine to sacrifice. And I really don't know what is best for 2, but as soon as the giants know we are here I don't think the javelins will work, and improving our common balls effectiveness would just be a drop in the bucket.
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Sep 2, 2015 13:59
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Sep 2, 2015 14:01
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S El and the melachim know us and they know what we want. The treasure is worthless and the souls can't be sacrificed but knowledge is what we came here for. B I would really like it if our men survived.
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Sep 2, 2015 14:31
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Lets sacrifice our memories of Ur and our family.... But not Asahel.
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Sep 2, 2015 14:48
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1. W. O + K + P G a couple of our own feathers (removed where the balls can't see). 2. B
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Sep 2, 2015 15:02
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S + B Knowledge is power and more valuable than riches.
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Sep 2, 2015 15:32
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I like how people will blithely suicide in spectacularly idiotic fashion but Us forbid we try something new that might give us more info like sacrifice some power stones.
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Sep 2, 2015 15:56
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Let's say we sacrifice something we're not supposed to, and the best case scenario happens - the sacrifice is rejected, and we get a polite message telling us not to do it again like when we tried to sacrifice the Norcs. How's it going to look to our Balls when, prior to their first battle with the giants, our offering fizzles. It will disastrous for morale, and many of them would probably take it as a bad omen. It's not what we want to have just before what could be a reasonably tough fight. There's a lot of potential downsides to sacrificing these things right now if it goes wrong, and I don't see what benefits they would have over other options.
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Sep 2, 2015 16:18
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On the other hand we could sacrifice the souls of our enemies to our unappreciative fake God.
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Sep 2, 2015 16:20
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Easy, then we sacrifice a normal sacrifice and the orbs, so at least something goes through.
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Like I said, I'm in favor of sacrificing the gems because of the symbolic full circle. We came down here hoping to make allies out of the Giants and establish Giant/Zepath trade relations. And we know that isn't going to happen. In an alternate ending (or however Diog is organizing this), it didn't happen in a spectacularly wrong fashion. Saccing the gems also represents us saccing the idea of making friends with these Giants, and our naivety leading into this.
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Sep 2, 2015 16:35
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1: J 2: D We can't use the orbs for anything good, and making giants fall down is funny.
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Sep 2, 2015 18:07
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Poldarn posted:1: J What if we are fighting another hunger demon? An orb could save the soul of one of our balls, to be released at a later date when it's safe. That seems incredibly useful.
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Swedish Thaumocracy posted:I can't think of any bigger sacrifice to make for Enkidel currently than one of the scrolls of writing we got from Amok. They represent all we want to accomplish with Kavodel and more. It is information we will never get back. We might not have gained it from large hardship (although we did loose a man to the hunger demon guarding it) but it's worth to us personally is beyond measure. At least for the part of Enkidels Psyche that is me. He could not understand Amok either.
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Sep 2, 2015 18:54
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Practicing amateur necromancy on people we can't obtain consent from seems like a great idea. For all we know default state of carrying around a phylactery is their souls get ripped apart when they try to go to Mt. Har after a normal death.
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Sep 2, 2015 18:57
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I change my vote on 1 from O to I + O + W: One of our Bronze Arrows. I think the bronze arrow sacrifice is actually the best idea.
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Swedish Thaumocracy posted:I can't think of any bigger sacrifice to make for Enkidel currently than one of the scrolls of writing we got from Amok. Yeah, except we don't own those. They don't belong to us. We borrowed them without asking. You don't go steal one of your neighbour's cows and sacrifice it to El. The guy that owns them may come ask us for them someday. It would be pretty lovely if we had to tell him we sacrificed one to a god he doesn't worship.
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Angela Christine posted:Yeah, except we don't own those. They don't belong to us. We borrowed them without asking. You don't go steal one of your neighbour's cows and sacrifice it to El. This convinced me to change my vote to I+O + W: One of our Bronze Arrows. Here's hoping that El won't be angry for sacrificing this. It worked out well for that golden idol last time.
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the_steve posted:Like I said, I'm in favor of sacrificing the gems because of the symbolic full circle. I agree entirely with this sentiment, though I'm only going to vote to sac half of it. Maybe we can donate the other half to the Kavodelian people when we get back. A handful is enough to feed a farming family for years it said, if our personal plans for the money failed I'd still like to use some of it to improve lives somehow. As for an actual vote, 1. D, 2. C. Kind of interested in the hole digging options, but I have irrational visions of them snagging our own balls or otherwise being used against them. I don't think javelins will be much use, but even if the giants can block them they'll still at least force them to do so, restricting their movement and opening them up for attacks from other quarters.
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Tsyni posted:What if we are fighting another hunger demon? An orb could save the soul of one of our balls, to be released at a later date when it's safe. That seems incredibly useful. We don't know near enough about how souls or these orbs work to be mucking around with them. Hopefully someday we find out!
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