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Ape Gone Insane: Dec 10, 2010

Does anyone know if there's any way to get windows in OSX to behave more like Windows? I find it really frustrating to open windows and then having them collated into the program icons (or disappear in the case of Finder windows). It's a big hassle when switching between multiple windows. Basically, is there any way of making the 'Minimise' function operate without having to constantly press it? So make the dock give each window its own icon as soon as it is opened rather than each time it is minimised.

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Install Witch, and command+tab.

Also use cmd+h, and CMD+w as keyboard shortcuts

# ? Aug 30, 2015 13:14

cbirdsong: Sep 8, 2004; Commodore of the Apocalypso; Lipstick Apathy

Ape Gone Insane posted:

Does anyone know if there's any way to get windows in OSX to behave more like Windows? I find it really frustrating to open windows and then having them collated into the program icons (or disappear in the case of Finder windows). It's a big hassle when switching between multiple windows. Basically, is there any way of making the 'Minimise' function operate without having to constantly press it? So make the dock give each window its own icon as soon as it is opened rather than each time it is minimised.

You should probably look into using Mission Control (ideally bound to a mouse button or gesture) instead of fighting with OS X. It's not Windows, and you won't have a good time trying to make it act like Windows instead of looking to solve the underlying problem in a OS X-y way.

# ? Aug 30, 2015 14:49

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

HyperDock will give you window previews on hover like Windows 7, as well as snapping if you like that. It's $10, but I think it's worth it since it is quite reliable and not very intrusive.

# ? Aug 30, 2015 16:22

Granite Octopus: Jun 24, 2008

Cmd+tab to switch between windows, cmd+~ to switch between windows in that app. Also stop maximizing everything.

Use expose sure, but it's way slower than keyboard shortcuts.

# ? Aug 30, 2015 22:17

TopherCStone: Feb 27, 2013; I am very important and deserve your attention

carry on then posted:

HyperDock will give you window previews on hover like Windows 7, as well as snapping if you like that. It's $10, but I think it's worth it since it is quite reliable and not very intrusive.

If you only want snapping and don't need the previews, BetterSnapTool is fantastic. I find that between that and multiple desktops my needs are covered.

# ? Aug 30, 2015 22:53

Butt Savage: Aug 23, 2007

Granite Octopus posted:

Cmd+tab to switch between windows, cmd+~ to switch between windows in that app. Also stop maximizing everything.

Use expose sure, but it's way slower than keyboard shortcuts.

Once you train yourself to use these commands, it's hard to go back to clicking on the icons at the bottom of the screen. Though it is a bit annoying having to scroll through multiple windows to find the specific one your want, but expose alleviates that a bit. That's my only gripe with such a system.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 00:15

illBilliam: Jan 8, 2006

Ape Gone Insane posted:

Does anyone know if there's any way to get windows in OSX to behave more like Windows?

Nope. I learned to love mission control binded to a two finger double tap on a magic mouse :shepface:

# ? Aug 31, 2015 03:04

coldplay chiptunes: Sep 17, 2010; by Lowtax

illBilliam posted:

Nope. I learned to love mission control binded to a two finger double tap on a magic mouse

Mission control: two-finger swipe up
App specific expose: two-finger swipe down
Show desktop: three-finger swipe up

# ? Aug 31, 2015 06:00

TapTheForwardAssist: Apr 9, 2007; Pretty Little Lyres

Bob Morales posted:

Keep all your photos on Flickr or whatever. Google Photos, Amazon Prime Photos, whatever you use.

Back EVERYTHING up on a $5/month unlimited online backup service.

Keep whatever you're working on right now stored on DropBox or whatever.

Then have your Time Machine drive.

Okay, so big picture Time Machine isn't for long-term storage of stuff you don't want to keep on your laptop, it's just for "my laptop got crashed/stolen, I'm hitting the button to dump everything from my last TM sweep onto my new computer" ?

So if I want to have a drive where I keep things long-term that I don't keep on my laptop, I just need to click decline when it asks if I want to format the new drive as Time Machine?

I'm uploading my 6,000 photos to Amazon Cloud now. Just to make sure I'm not totally off here: once I have all those photos securely on Amazon Cloud, and I also have them on an extra drive that, although I have it set up as TM, I don't routinely plug it in so I should be able to just transfer it all to a non-TM drive later. So at this point I should be safe to delete all those photos off my laptop and free up that ton of space?

# ? Aug 31, 2015 11:40

Last Chance: Dec 31, 2004

TapTheForwardAssist posted:

Okay, so big picture Time Machine isn't for long-term storage of stuff you don't want to keep on your laptop, it's just for "my laptop got crashed/stolen, I'm hitting the button to dump everything from my last TM sweep onto my new computer" ?

So if I want to have a drive where I keep things long-term that I don't keep on my laptop, I just need to click decline when it asks if I want to format the new drive as Time Machine?

I'm uploading my 6,000 photos to Amazon Cloud now. Just to make sure I'm not totally off here: once I have all those photos securely on Amazon Cloud, and I also have them on an extra drive that, although I have it set up as TM, I don't routinely plug it in so I should be able to just transfer it all to a non-TM drive later. So at this point I should be safe to delete all those photos off my laptop and free up that ton of space?

That sounds about right. Although if you use iCloud for storing photos, you can tell Photos.app to optimize space on your machine so you can keep low-res versions of the images on your computer and the library sort of grows and shrinks depending on your free space available. Although that might not be ideal for you.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 19:57

coldplay chiptunes: Sep 17, 2010; by Lowtax

I'm too lazy to search back and find Feenix's posts but what's the status of new AMD drivers for a 5k iMac? I wanna play GZ/MGSV and it crashes on load with the current bootcamp drivers. The latest AMD beta fixes it but it obviously doesn't work with a boot camped install.

# ? Aug 31, 2015 22:31

Feenix: Mar 14, 2003; Sorry, guy.

coldplay chiptunes posted:

I'm too lazy to search back and find Feenix's posts but what's the status of new AMD drivers for a 5k iMac? I wanna play GZ/MGSV and it crashes on load with the current bootcamp drivers. The latest AMD beta fixes it but it obviously doesn't work with a boot camped install.

I haven't games on BOOTCAMP in a bit but the only way to presently get new 5k iMac drivers is to go to Windows 10. Right?

# ? Sep 1, 2015 23:43

Cyrano4747: Sep 25, 2006; Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

coldplay chiptunes posted:

I'm too lazy to search back and find Feenix's posts but what's the status of new AMD drivers for a 5k iMac? I wanna play GZ/MGSV and it crashes on load with the current bootcamp drivers. The latest AMD beta fixes it but it obviously doesn't work with a boot camped install.

Can't you just run the AMD driver installer from windows like any other pc? I know I've don that plenty on older macs v

# ? Sep 2, 2015 03:59

Proteus Jones: Feb 28, 2013

Cyrano4747 posted:

Can't you just run the AMD driver installer from windows like any other pc? I know I've don that plenty on older macs v

My understanding is the the Apple GPU has a unique GPUID (or something like that) that doesn't match the supported devices in the official driver.

Possibly because it's driving a 5K display it may be customized from the standard AMD chipset.

# ? Sep 2, 2015 04:05

duck monster: Dec 15, 2004

I'm trying to share a printer from a mac mountain lion machine to a windows 10 machine, and I'm having some difficulties. Not sure if this is on the mac or windows side of things, kind of both really. Its one of those dirt cheap Brother HL-1110 laser printers. Got it set up on the mac , though it did require a reboot of the mac to get it to recognise the drivers, set it to share. On the Windows 10 side, Installed the bonjour printer util, and sure enough it sees it and offers to let me set it up. The problem is windows doesnt have the drivers by default and the installer for them wont complete unless the printer is plugged in via USB.

Is there a way for me to rig up the mac to serve the drivers to the windows clients, or failing that serve the printer as a generic postscript printer?

edit: Solved it, turns out it already does serve it as a postscript printer. Had to manually tell it not to print color (its not color) but otherwise it seems to work

duck monster fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Sep 2, 2015

# ? Sep 2, 2015 04:22

Feenix: Mar 14, 2003; Sorry, guy.

It will always tell you "error cannot find hardware" (paraphrasing) no matter how clever you try to get installing it.

[Edit] re: the iMac 5k AMD drivers discussion.

# ? Sep 2, 2015 04:22

Proteus Jones: Feb 28, 2013

duck monster posted:

I'm trying to share a printer from a mac mountain lion machine to a windows 10 machine, and I'm having some difficulties. Not sure if this is on the mac or windows side of things, kind of both really. Its one of those dirt cheap Brother HL-1110 laser printers. Got it set up on the mac , though it did require a reboot of the mac to get it to recognise the drivers, set it to share. On the Windows 10 side, Installed the bonjour printer util, and sure enough it sees it and offers to let me set it up. The problem is windows doesnt have the drivers by default and the installer for them wont complete unless the printer is plugged in via USB.

Is there a way for me to rig up the mac to serve the drivers to the windows clients, or failing that serve the printer as a generic postscript printer?

edit: Solved it, turns out it already does serve it as a postscript printer. Had to manually tell it not to print color (its not color) but otherwise it seems to work

EDIT: NVM. I can't read.

# ? Sep 2, 2015 04:30

kode54: Nov 26, 2007; aka kuroshi; Fun Shoe

flosofl posted:

My understanding is the the Apple GPU has a unique GPUID (or something like that) that doesn't match the supported devices in the official driver.

Possibly because it's driving a 5K display it may be customized from the standard AMD chipset.

It not only has a different device ID, but the stock generic drivers specifically exclude all of Apple's device IDs.

Now, I did install Windows 10 again, using Windows Update, and installed the Boot Camp drivers, and it works now. It may have been a conflict with a pre-Windows 10 version of Macs Fan Control. It's all good now.

# ? Sep 2, 2015 07:32

Built 4 Cuban Linux: Jul 15, 2007; i own america

How do you copy a full resolution image out of Photos into the clipboard?

You can't copy the full image, and if you copy the thumbnail you get a low-res version.

The only ways I can find to get it out of there are the share menu and file > export. Both are a pain in the rear end.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 15:16

Quantum of Phallus: Dec 27, 2010

Does dragging to Desktop/folders not export full res?

# ? Sep 4, 2015 16:57

Built 4 Cuban Linux: Jul 15, 2007; i own america

Quantum of Phallus posted:

Does dragging to Desktop/folders not export full res?

Ah yes, it does. Better than what I had! Still not copy/paste but I'll take it. Thanks.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 21:33

Choadmaster: Oct 7, 2004; I don't care how snug they fit, you're nuts!

Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:

Ah yes, it does. Better than what I had! Still not copy/paste but I'll take it. Thanks.

You can also probably drag straight to wherever it is you're trying to paste...

# ? Sep 4, 2015 23:00

the_lion: Jun 8, 2010; On the hunt for prey...

Is there a way to switch users (like from the fast switch menu up in the top right) via the keyboard?

Trying to speed up workflow, using keyboard for most things. I constantly switch back and forth between users all the time.
(One account is for getting things done and stops me getting distracted).

# ? Sep 6, 2015 07:34

Proteus Jones: Feb 28, 2013

the_lion posted:

Is there a way to switch users (like from the fast switch menu up in the top right) via the keyboard?

Trying to speed up workflow, using keyboard for most things. I constantly switch back and forth between users all the time.
(One account is for getting things done and stops me getting distracted).

You'll probably have to create an Automator script to do it.

That reminds me, I need to create one to lock the the screen using keychain status icon.

# ? Sep 6, 2015 07:49

japtor: Oct 28, 2005

Speaking of the keychain, did someone mention finding Leperdvil on their system here? (I recall seeing it here or some other forum). Just mentioning it cause I saw it mentioned here a few days ago:
http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/09/sneaky-adware-caught-accessing-users-mac-keychain-without-permission/

quote:

Genieo acquires this access by very briefly displaying a message asking for permission to open the Safari extensions and then automatically clicking the accompanying OK button before a user has time to respond or possibly even notice what's taking place. With that, Genieo installs an extension known as Leperdvil.

"What they're basically doing is using provided system calls to get the location of the [permission] window and the location of the OK button in the window," Thomas Reed, Malwarebytes' director of Mac offerings, told Ars. "Then they're simulating a mouse click. I'm surprised nobody thought of that before."

# ? Sep 6, 2015 08:07

GokieKS: Dec 15, 2012; Mostly Harmless.

the_lion posted:

Is there a way to switch users (like from the fast switch menu up in the top right) via the keyboard?

Trying to speed up workflow, using keyboard for most things. I constantly switch back and forth between users all the time.
(One account is for getting things done and stops me getting distracted).

If you use Alfred with Powerpack (which is awesome), there's this user-switching extension: https://github.com/aiyodk/Alfred-Extensions/tree/master/AlfredApp_2.x/Fast-User-Switching

# ? Sep 6, 2015 10:00

Proteus Jones: Feb 28, 2013

GokieKS posted:

If you use Alfred with Powerpack (which is awesome), there's this user-switching extension: https://github.com/aiyodk/Alfred-Extensions/tree/master/AlfredApp_2.x/Fast-User-Switching

I didn't even think to use Alfred 2.

Yep, there's already a System Action defined for "Lock" (which solves my problem). I just needed to assign a hotkey. I do not know if this will work in v1 of Alfred (app store version), but it definitely works in v2 with the Powerpack purchase.

Incidentally, the "Lock" System Action works by pulling up the Fast User Switching screen (list of active user accounts with password prompt).

If you don't have Alfred 2 (and why don't you?) or don't want to pay for the Powerpack, here's the CLI command to do the same thing:

code:

/System/Library/CoreServices/Menu\ Extras/User.menu/Contents/Resources/CGSession -suspend

Note: Tested on Yosemite. No idea if any of the above works on earlier versions. I don't see why not, I just can't verify.

Proteus Jones fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Sep 6, 2015

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Dan Hollis: Jun 16, 2006; Surprise!!!

The best beat-making app I ever used was an Apple application called "Soundtrack" that has not been compatible with the last 3 or 4 versions of OS X.

I just found the application on an old Disk...is there any way way to run old applications on the new OS???

# ? Sep 6, 2015 20:12

kapalama: Aug 15, 2007; EVERYTHING I SAY ABOUT JAPAN OR LIVING IN JAPAN IS COMPLETELY WRONG, BUT YOU BETTER BELIEVE I'LL ABOUT IT.

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You might already know this but it is included with FCP now.

# ? Sep 6, 2015 20:28

the_lion: Jun 8, 2010; On the hunt for prey...

GokieKS posted:

If you use Alfred with Powerpack (which is awesome), there's this user-switching extension: https://github.com/aiyodk/Alfred-Extensions/tree/master/AlfredApp_2.x/Fast-User-Switching

flosofl posted:

I didn't even think to use Alfred 2.

Yep, there's already a System Action defined for "Lock" (which solves my problem). I just needed to assign a hotkey. I do not know if this will work in v1 of Alfred (app store version), but it definitely works in v2 with the Powerpack purchase.

Incidentally, the "Lock" System Action works by pulling up the Fast User Switching screen (list of active user accounts with password prompt).

If you don't have Alfred 2 (and why don't you?) or don't want to pay for the Powerpack, here's the CLI command to do the same thing:
code:
/System/Library/CoreServices/Menu\ Extras/User.menu/Contents/Resources/CGSession -suspend
Note: Tested on Yosemite. No idea if any of the above works on earlier versions. I don't see why not, I just can't verify.

flosofl posted:

You'll probably have to create an Automator script to do it.

That reminds me, I need to create one to lock the the screen using keychain status icon.

Awesome, thanks heaps!

Edit: Anyone else interested, you don't need Alfred, the automator script runs great. Here's how to set it up. Then just run it from Spotlight.

the_lion fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Sep 7, 2015

# ? Sep 6, 2015 22:39

ZeeBoi: Jan 17, 2001

Downloading the GM of El Capitan

# ? Sep 10, 2015 03:32

Feenix: Mar 14, 2003; Sorry, guy.

ZeeBoi posted:

Downloading the GM of El Capitan

Did I read it got pulled after going up?

# ? Sep 10, 2015 04:07

ZeeBoi: Jan 17, 2001

Feenix posted:

Did I read it got pulled after going up?

From the developer center, yeah; but it should be back now. I downloaded it via the purchased tab of the app store.

Gonna install now.

# ? Sep 10, 2015 04:15

Feenix: Mar 14, 2003; Sorry, guy.

Is it waresy to ask if it's technically installable by anyone?

# ? Sep 10, 2015 04:20

ZeeBoi: Jan 17, 2001

You could try signing up at the public beta site, getting a redemption code for the app store, then downloading it.

I never beta tested El Cap but they let me signup for the beta after I had received the GM notification email.

# ? Sep 10, 2015 04:24

gnrk: Apr 1, 2008

I was invited to try the GM and it's great. All the strange little tweaks to my install that I worried about breaking are fine. If you were also invited and live on the edge, I'd highly recommend it.

# ? Sep 10, 2015 06:32

wdarkk: Oct 26, 2007; Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten

I assume the version of OpenGL in El Capitan GM is the same as in previous betas?

_{Because OpenGL is deprecated.}

# ? Sep 10, 2015 06:41

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

I was on the Public Beta and got invited to the El Cap GM.

Which is nice because I always install GMs the evening they drop. :v:

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Cozmosis: Feb 16, 2003; 2006... YEAR OF THE BURNITZ, BITCHES

Man, San Francisco really looks terrible on a non-retina screen. Worse than Helvetica Neue.

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