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Baloogan posted:Would you rather the neurosurgeon who is operating on your brain (a) believes you have an eternal soul or (b) doesn't believe you have an eternal soul. I don't want the neurosurgeon operating on my brain to run for president either way, because doctors are frequently loving idiots outside of their field of study. Nessus posted:I would say the key difference is that a lot of people got offended at B. Barry Bamz because he was a black man with a Muslim name. I think Trump's chance of winning hinges entirely on how tired or enthusiastic the Dem base is of Hillary by the time the election rolls around. He has zero cross-party appeal but I'm sure the GOP base would rally behind him. It's likely to be a 2012 situation again (although Trump's base is far more enthusiastic than Romney's ever was), but there's no way Hillary captures all of Obama's voter base because emails/lack of charisma/other dumb poo poo, take your pick. ATribeCalledKvetch fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Gregoriev posted:
I wouldn't be too certain about that. My hunch is that a bunch of people who would normally vote Democrat will vote for him out of pure cynicism and a desire for change at any price. A lot of people are incredibly fed up with the political status quo in America and he is poised to tap right into that.
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He can count on the vote of less than 10 satisfied Trump University students, assuming the rest don't vote. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...n=NYDailyNewsTw
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:I wouldn't be too certain about that. My hunch is that a bunch of people who would normally vote Democrat will vote for him out of pure cynicism and a desire for change at any price. A lot of people are incredibly fed up with the political status quo in America and he is poised to tap right into that. Democrats that hate hispanics arent Democrats anymore.
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:I wouldn't be too certain about that. My hunch is that a bunch of people who would normally vote Democrat will vote for him out of pure cynicism and a desire for change at any price. A lot of people are incredibly fed up with the political status quo in America and he is poised to tap right into that. Most of the accelerationists (folks who want change at any price) I've met have been a lot more likely to throw away their vote to a third party, or just not vote at all, because that sort of dumb rear end opinion comes from the false notion that both parties are the same. I'd be interested to see how significant the effect in the general will be of poor Republicans that managed to get decent healthcare from the ACA. I remember seeing a few youtube testimonials, probably before the 2014 election, of die hard Republicans admitting that Obamacare basically saved their lives or helped them significantly, and casting doubt on their party loyalty as a result. I found it pretty heartening to know that even pyrrhic victories like the ACA can persuade people into realizing that, despite the Republican talking points, the government actually can do good.
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Let's also not discount the idea that Republican voters with a conscience and a brain (yes, they exist) will refuse to vote for a dumpster fire such as Trump. They may not vote for the Democratic candidate, but that might "cancel out" any DINOs that do vote cross-party.
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Naga Warlord posted:Let's also not discount the idea that Republican voters with a conscience and a brain (yes, they exist) will refuse to vote for a dumpster fire such as Trump. They may not vote for the Democratic candidate, but that might "cancel out" any DINOs that do vote cross-party. Which Republican candidate should this hypothetical moderate & intelligent Republican vote for over Trump? ----------------
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Naga Warlord posted:Let's also not discount the idea that Republican voters with a conscience and a brain (yes, they exist) Source?
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Narciss posted:Reminder: Yeah noone in the GOP is going to vote for Jeb! and let her be the first lady.
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Couldn't there be some sort correlation between the Trump and Sanders polls? I think that Democrats who plan to vote in the primary would be following the news enough that they are aware of Trump's ridiculously high support right now. And they might be thinking: "The Republican candidate is going to be this dumb clown!". So maybe they also think now is the time like never before to elect Grandpa Socialist. They would not have had the guts to do this against candidates like Romney or McCain in the past, but against Trump? You could get a lot of people elected president when running against Donald Trump. Which would mean that the day Trump goes down in flames and a more reasonable candidate takes the lead (Rubio? Bush?), these Democrat are going to stop loving around, get serious again and go back to Hillary.
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:Any update as to whether or not Bernie was able to successfully push for more debates? He was not.
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McDowell posted:Change the Game or die trying. i hope your death is swift so i can stop seeing your posts 
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Naga Warlord posted:Let's also not discount the idea that Republican voters with a conscience and a brain (yes, they exist) will refuse to vote for a dumpster fire such as Trump. They may not vote for the Democratic candidate, but that might "cancel out" any DINOs that do vote cross-party. Uh, a net gain of two votes over the other party isn't cancelled out unless twice as many of your voters sit out the election. 
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EugeneJ posted:Source? Kaisch exhibits signs
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Gregoriev posted:I don't want the neurosurgeon operating on my brain to run for president either way, because doctors are frequently loving idiots outside of their field of study. At the time I thought it was probably overstating the case, but having seen world renowned neurosurgeon Dr Ben Carson out in the wild, saying incredibly stupid things (that is, when he's actually being coherent, which isn't often), it's starting to make sense!
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blue squares posted:Everyone hates you why do you post here? No one wants you to post. No one. fishmech is the second best poster itt
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Jagchosis posted:so you guys are seriously trying to convince yourselves trump could not only be nominated but also win in the general election. o.k. I think Trump is more likely to win the general, should he be nominated, than he is to win the nomination. Almost all of his serious problems are due to a lack of establishment support, a lack of existing campaign networks, that kind of thing. If he gets the nomination, the Republicans will line up behind him, no matter how little they like him. I'm not saying he's going to win, but up against Hillary? He has a real chance, I think. With the establishment behind him, he could do a lot more to fire up his base than most of the other Republican candidates and get out the apathetic vote. Of course, he'd also be doing the same for Hillary, so it's hardly a guaranteed victory, just a possible one. Shageletic posted:Democrats that hate hispanics arent Democrats anymore.
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:Any update as to whether or not Bernie was able to successfully push for more debates? The relative lack of democratic debates when they're smashing rating records (albeit because Trump) on the GOP side seems like somewhat of an oversight. Democrats don't own TV networks
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A huge chunk of the reason the Republican debates (well the one real debate so far) are popular is that it's a loving clown car and there's Trump there. Unless he's going to be a surprise guest at the Democratic debates or 8 more Democrat candidates show up, don't expect nearly the sort of viewership for the Democratic debates.
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Narciss posted:Which Republican candidate should this hypothetical moderate & intelligent Republican vote for over Trump? They might vote for the Democratic candidate or not at all. If a "committed" Democrat jumps ship to vote Trump, it's not out of the question for the analogous to happen on the other side. EugeneJ posted:Source? I'm afraid I have none - consider it a "reasonable" assumption. Fuschia tude posted:Uh, a net gain of two votes over the other party isn't cancelled out unless twice as many of your voters sit out the election. Yes, note the quotes ("cancel out") as a hedge. If they vote the Democratic candidate it will cancel, but if the Republican flipflopper abstains, they at least partially mitigate one DINO flipped vote.
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uncurable mlady posted:fishmech is the second best poster itt aw shucks
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Minorities are the only thing buoying the Democratic party in the past, in the present, and most definitely in the future.
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LOL at Joe Biden attending an AFL-CIO event on labor day and blasting all the problems that exist with the economy . . . . after almost 7 years of his administration being in the driver's seat. Yep Joe, inequality sure is growing. The middle class sure is being gutted. The tax code sure isn't fair, even more so after the changes your administration asked for and received. We sure do have a plummeting LFPR being drive by the working aged population, NOT retiring boomers as older Americans participation has been increasing. Labor sure has been gutted by policies that drive jobs overseas and flood the job market that remains here with H1B visa holders and cheap illegal immigrant labor. The economy everywhere outside of Wall-Street sure is poo poo. Main Street sure is hosed. One might even say perhaps it's time for new leadership and a new direction.
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Boosted_C5 posted:LOL at Joe Biden attending an AFL-CIO event on labor day Gaffe!
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Boosted_C5 posted:LOL at Joe Biden attending an AFL-CIO event on labor day and blasting all the problems that exist with the economy . . . . after almost 7 years of his administration being in the driver's seat. Why, it's almost like...like...Congress exists!
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Speaking of the MINORITY vote... SHOCK POLL: Trump Receives 25% of Black Vote in General Election Matchup This story is blowing up in all hard-right circles right now as proof that Trump is going to take them to the promised land. I guess that Labor-day reset will have to be postponed....
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Boosted_C5 posted:LOL at Joe Biden attending an AFL-CIO event on labor day and blasting all the problems that exist with the economy . . . . after almost 7 years of his administration being in the driver's seat. source your quotes
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:I wouldn't be too certain about that. My hunch is that a bunch of people who would normally vote Democrat will vote for him out of pure cynicism and a desire for change at any price. A lot of people are incredibly fed up with the political status quo in America and he is poised to tap right into that. I sincerely doubt that people who would vote for Donald Trump in Trump v. Hillary would vote for Hillary in any other match-up, unless Trump manages to successfully pivot after getting the nomination and starts talking up his supposed UHC platform and desire to tax hedge fund managers. He's unlikely to pivot, so I doubt it'll happen.
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Montasque posted:Speaking of the MINORITY vote... Less offensive candidates than Trump have received less of the black vote; now I almost want them to nominate Trump to see their dreams brutally crushed a la 2008 and 2012 again. I think that poll also has him winning Asian-Americans 
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Personally, I can't wait for Labor Day 2017 when Vice President Palin makes a speech to the AFL-CIO announcing that the holiday is being replaced by a second Loyalty Day.
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The only lesson establishment GOP will learn ftom a crushing Trump defeat is "we need to hide our racism more, and also use this as an excuse to continue supporting fiscally conservative policies". I want Trump to talk up his UHS plan and hedge fund taxes in the GE, and I want him to lose by a smaller margin than Romney. Shageletic posted:Minorities are the only thing buoying the Democratic party in the past, in the present, and most definitely in the future. As one of those minority groups, this does not comfort me at all. It's this kind of attitude that lets neoliberals take us for granted, and fuels the kind of inaction that leads to Log Cabin Republicans doing more good than establishment democrats.
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Boosted_C5 posted:One might even say perhaps it's time for new leadership and a new direction. A new morning in America?
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