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funeral fag posted:The Principle of Evil Made Flesh and Dusk and Her Embrace are crazy good records dude. Don't discount them just because Dani and his fans are enormous gaylords Hell I would even throw Cruelty and the Beast / Midian into the "crazy good" pile.
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TollTheHounds posted:I think it's just a case of when you first got into the "scene". Because I missed the first wave in the 80's and very early 90's, I absolutely can't stand poo poo like Darkthrone - every now and then I try to go back but I just can't do it. It is terrible music with no redeeming qualities. I do like some Mayhem but it's tenuous because Euronymous' vocals were poo poo. For me, the good stuff doesn't really start until 1993, but the really good poo poo starts in the late 90's/early 2000's and frankly 2015 because there has been some amazing poo poo this year. bullshit, i got 'into' black metal in the early 2000s and old darkthrone fuckin rips. don't try to pass your wrong taste off like some universal truth
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Also don't discount the sterling work Dani Filth has done in turning corpsepaint into a utility to present him as having cheekbones and a proper jawline. A black metal pioneer's work is never done. Although I think he got some inspiration from Ancient.TollTheHounds posted:At the risk of starting the dumb discussion again, I read through the last few pages and it's hilarious to me that anyone would discount Satyricon's Nemesis Devina It's not about "discounting" it - it's more that it is not essential. Even Satyricon's best work presents nothing Enslaved and Emperor (amongst others, funnily enough Marduk's Opus Nocturne isn't far off either) hadn't already. Am I saying that this means no one can enjoy it? Absolutely not, just that the band hasn't produced anything that is absolutely integral to the progression of the musical style.
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Lol Euronymous never did vocals for Mayhem, it was either Atilla, Dead, or Maniac/Messiah you were hearing on early Mayhem. Old Darkthrone is loving awesome, if you can't get down on A Blaze in the Northern Sky and don't have the attention span for Transilvanian Hunger then you're weak. Satyricon is loving great to, Dark Medieval Times is a killer record!
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KozmoNaut posted:Elitism and closed mindedness like you're showing is what's always been killing the scene, because any sort of new ideas are immediately panned as not being authentic enough, ie. exactly like everything was in the early 90s. RIP the black metal scene, killed by elitists like The Clit Avoider who listen to black metal that hasn't aged well enough to be sold by Season of Mist. KozmoNaut posted:And I'm from Scandinavia, so I'm the one who should be all elitist about it. Let's just end that here. I have lots of black metal friends too. KozmoNaut posted:I'm not trying to pull a "no true Scotsman" card here, but since I do live in Scandinavia, obviously Norwegian black metal (and Swedish death metal) are huge in the collective conscience here. Putting an emphasis on simply being from Norway and on wearing corpsepaint are both superficial misconceptions about black metal. There was a loose collective of artists who aspired to make "Norwegian black metal" something of their own around 1991-93, and the works which emerged from this collective were very significant. This continued, but was also diluted, over the few years after as waves of publicity roared in and "True Norwegian Black Metal" became little more than an advertising slogan. To think that one is relevant or knowledgeable merely by proximity to Norway is ignorant and arrogant. Corpsepaint is another wretchedly dated icon which is commonly recognized as an icon of Norwegian black metal, yet donned by clowns and abandoned by its innovators. Is there a single one of the old Norwegian black metal bands still wearing corpsepaint? Burzum, Darkthrone, Emperor, Satyricon, and Mayhem have all long since abandoned it, though Attila wears morbid theatrical makeup with Mayhem. The "old" bands who still adhere to this caricature adopted the guise of "True Norwegian Black Metal" after Euronymous died - a turning point in terms of publicity. My point here is that these are very poor points to reference regarding knowledge of black metal. Someone choosing to represent themself as a corpsepainted devotee of True Norwegian Black Metal in 2015 is probably an idiot who knows little beyond what was marketed as such beginning in the mid 90s when it was earning a lot of publicity. Since someone asked about old non-Norwegian black metal, have some Ancient Rites (Belgium) from 1992. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUNzIHuL40g
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Corpsepaint is pretty far from an innovation of the Norwegian scene anyway. And early Ancient Rites is killer, the mid period is interesting too in its own way.
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KozmoNaut posted:Actually, it would be interesting to hear whether you think their style etc. changed at the same point as where the BM scenesters think they sold out. That's a pretty insightful comment imo.
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TollTheHounds posted:Euronymous' vocals When did Euronymous do vocals? He was the guitarist.
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KozmoNaut posted:It's fun, and the best bands are the ones who don't take themselves too seriously. I think many of the people involved in black metal bands would disagree with you.
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A human heart posted:I think many of the people involved in black metal bands would disagree with you. This is correct. Cross-posting from the general metal thread: North America doesn't have a lot of open-air music festivals, but there's a fantastic one happening on the east coast this year. Shadow Woods Metal Fest will be taking place in White Hall, MD September 25-27 this year. There will be three stages-- inside, outside, and a natural wooded ampitheatre. The lineup tends toward black, doom, and death. Here they are: Anicon (New York, NY) black metal https://anicon.bandcamp.com/ Ashagal (New Hope, PA) Ritual folk http://www.ashagal.net/ Black Table (NJ/NY) Experimental metal https://www.facebook.com/blacktableband Bridesmaid (Columbus, OH) Instrumental Doom-Sludge https://bridesmaid.bandcamp.com/alb...ast-at-riffanys Cladonia Rangiferina (MD, VA) ritual black metal, doom, acid rock https://www.facebook.com/reindeermoss Dendritic Arbor (Pittsburgh, PA) metal; Grimoire Records https://dendriticarbors.bandcamp.com Destroying Angel (Philadelphia, PA)- Folk music for exorcisms https://destroyingangel.bandcamp.com/ Dreadlords (Philadelphia, PA) Ritual black metal blues; Not Just Religious Music https://dreadlords.bandcamp.com/ Dweller in the Valley (Frederick, MD) Black, death, doom; Grimoire Records https://dwellerinthevalley.bandcamp.com/ Existentium (Baltimore, MD) melodic technical death metal https://existentium.bandcamp.com/al...ent-desecration Falls of Rauros (Portland, ME) folk/atmospheric black metal; Bindrune Recordings https://fallsofrauros.bandcamp.com/ Fin (Chicago, IL) black metal; Behold Barbarity https://www.facebook.com/pages/FIN/287496941295269 Heavy Temple (Philadelphia, PA) psychedelic doom; Vn Records https://heavytemple.bandcamp.com/ Hercyn (Jersey City, NJ) atmospheric black metal/post-rock https://www.facebook.com/Hercyn Hivelords (Philadephia, PA) experimental psychedelic black doom; Anthropic Records https://hivelords.bandcamp.com/ Immortal Bird (Chicago, IL) black/death metal; Broken Limbs, Manatee Rampage https://immortalbird.bandcamp.com/ Iron Man (MD) doom metal/heavy rock; Rise Above Records http://www.riseaboverecords.com/art...rtists/ironman/ Midnight (Cleveland, Ohio) Black heavy metal; Hells Headbangers Records https://www.facebook.com/pages/Midnight/87909491643 Occultation (New York, NY) doom metal; Profound Lore Records https://www.facebook.com/pages/Occu...0630828?fref=ts Oneirogen (New York, NY) dark, doom, drone; Denovali, Shinkoyo https://oneirogenvoid.bandcamp.com/ Psalm Zero (New York, NY) experimental black doom; Profound Lore Records https://profoundlorerecords.bandcam...album/the-drain Sangharsha (New York, NY) blackened hardcore; Alerta Antifascista Records https://www.facebook.com/shoutatsangharsa Sentience (Woodland Park, NJ) death metal https://sentiencedeathmetal.bandcamp.com/ Slagstorm (Hagerstown, MD) prehistoric doom thrash https://www.facebook.com/tarpit.of.doom Snakefeast (Baltimore, MD) jazz metal sludge; Grimoire Records https://snakefeast.bandcamp.com/ Stone Breath (Red Lion, PA) experimental folk; Hand/Eye Records https://stonebreath.bandcamp.com/music The Day of the Beast (Virginia Beach, VA) blackened death metal https://thedayofthebeast.bandcamp.c...ay-of-the-beast The Expanding Man (Baltimore, MD) solo improvisational electronic soundscapes https://soundcloud.com/theexpandingman/sets/pyramid-ep The Flight of Sleipnir (Denver, CO) black metal; Napalm Records http://www.theflightofsleipnir.com/news.html The Osedax (Leesburg, Va) black doom; Dullest Records https://www.facebook.com/TheOsedax The Owls Are Not What They Seem (York, PA) experimental ritual soundscapes; Eleventh Key https://bleakvastness.bandcamp.com/ Tyrants Hand (Baltimore, MD) deathened black metal; Music For The Dead https://tyrantshand.bandcamp.com/album/dystopia Unsacred (Richmond, VA) savage black metal; Forcefield http://forcefieldrecords.bandcamp.com/album/false-light Velnias (Denver, CO) blackened folk/doom metal; Eisenwald https://www.facebook.com/VelniasCult Wormreich (Huntsville, AL & Nashville, TN) black metal; Moribund Records https://www.facebook.com/wormreichofficial ZUD (Portland, ME) bluesy outlaw black metal https://www.facebook.com/pages/ZUD/572368749452852 Full disclosure: I am helping out with food at the event. In addition to the bands, there will be workshops on guitar repair and construction, runes, and daily yoga in addition to food and merch vendors. The area is absolutely loving gorgeous and includes ample room to camp and a few remaining (free) spots in the on-site cabins. This is going to be amazing. Come hang out with us. Monkeytime fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Sep 8, 2015 |
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A human heart posted:I think many of the people involved in black metal bands would disagree with you. Agreed. I think black metal is one of the few genres where "fun" can't be used to describe it and the best bands are the ones who do take themselves seriously.
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Monkeytime posted:North America doesn't have a lot of open-air music festivals, but there's a fantastic one happening on the east coast this year. Shadow Woods Metal Fest will be taking place in White Hall, MD September 25-27 this year. There will be three stages-- inside, outside, and a natural wooded ampitheatre. The lineup tends toward black, doom, and death. Here they are: I'm not normally one to say it, but who the hell are all of these bands? It's not that I don't recognize names, but aside from Iron Man, Midnight, The Fleight of Sleipnir, and Wormreich, have any of these bands been around more than three years or released an album? I like the concept, but it's kind of like Pocono Folk Metal Fest in that it has a theme but is rather poorly stocked. The two most prominent bands (Iron Man and Midnight) are very much unlike the rest of it, and there's no real outside attraction nor local veterans.
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I recognize Falls of Rauros, they're fairly popular Agalloch clones. Also sorta familiar with Dendritic Arbor, listened to an album of theirs but it doesn't distinguish itself from all the other stupidly dissonant, hateful Gaza-worshipping grind out there.
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Kvlt! posted:Agreed. I think black metal is one of the few genres where "fun" can't be used to describe it and the best bands are the ones who do take themselves seriously. That just makes it even funnier to people from the outside looking in.
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KozmoNaut posted:That just makes it even funnier to people from the outside looking in. How's it looking out there? Have you ever listened to a radio broadcast of a soccer game?
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Kvlt! posted:Agreed. I think black metal is one of the few genres where "fun" can't be used to describe it and the best bands are the ones who do take themselves seriously. My outsider's heuristic for this has generally been that if metal is pro wrestling, black metal is the guy who still thinks it's real. Technically he's wrong, but you'll never be able to get as deeply invested in it as he is.
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Robophile posted:My outsider's heuristic for this has generally been that if metal is pro wrestling, black metal is the guy who still thinks it's real. Technically he's wrong, but you'll never be able to get as deeply invested in it as he is. That's a good way of looking at it, I agree. You've got to respect the dedication of some of these people, as silly as they seem. E: On an unrelated note, Metal Injection did an article on the beginnings of extreme metal, covering some of the important bands from the pre-death/black metal split era: http://www.metalinjection.net/editorials/origins-of-evil-the-birth-of-extreme-metal KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Sep 8, 2015 |
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The new Mgla album is up in its entirety on the label's youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvGPAVTYfXI Mgla is one of my favorite bands and Exercises in Futility bij fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Sep 8, 2015 |
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Everything's on Bandcamp as well, so there is absolutely no excuse: https://no-solace.bandcamp.com/
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KozmoNaut posted:That just makes it even funnier to people from the outside looking in. Don't you think it's pretty insulting to regard an entire music genre and the people associated with it as a joke? I don't really know why you would be listening to a genre if you can't at least try and understand where the culture surrounding it is coming from.
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A human heart posted:Don't you think it's pretty insulting to regard an entire music genre and the people associated with it as a joke? I don't really know why you would be listening to a genre if you can't at least try and understand where the culture surrounding it is coming from. I don't think it's a joke, a lot of people playing BM are incredibly talented, and I absolutely do not want to belittle their artistic ability. But I do think all music is playful and a bit silly when it comes down to it. It's just the nature of rhythm and melody. Of course, some music likes to break with both rhythm and melody, but those are extreme fringe cases.
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KozmoNaut posted:I don't think it's a joke, a lot of people playing BM are incredibly talented, and I absolutely do not want to belittle their artistic ability. That's your opinion of the music based on the effect it has on you. Which may not be the intention of the artist. The Clit Avoider fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Sep 8, 2015 |
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I know full well that at least some BM musicians specifically set out to create music that is literally evil. I just don't think it works they way they think it works.
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Plenty of musicians across entirely different genres set out to make music that is the complete antithesis of what you lay out as "all music". I am no longer talking in terms of black metal alone here. There are reasons dirges exist, there's reasons why some genres that are nothing more than melancholic self-pity exist, and that is because there are frequently things that people which to broadcast which have absolutely no playful or silly elements at all. Many, if not most, compositions will comprise a range of thoughts or emotions that a musician wishes to convey - and they do so via both lyrical and musical medium. This isn't about musicians thinking "i'm serious about being evil", this is about musicians actually making something with substance and feeling. By reducing music to "silly", you're ridiculing an entire art and its craftsmanship.
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Robophile posted:My outsider's heuristic for this has generally been that if metal is pro wrestling, black metal is the guy who still thinks it's real. Technically he's wrong, but you'll never be able to get as deeply invested in it as he is. I couldn't agree more with this. Black metal has evolved as any genre has, but look back to the early-second wave and any band will tell you that black metal is completely designed to sound loving terrible, hence the production values on (for example) the Unholy Trilogy. From the outside looking in it looks like a bunch of edgy teenage Satanists making lovely garage-music (I'm talking about the early Norwegian scene here) but from the inside out it represents evil in it's purest form. That's why I think a lot of people misinterpret Gaahl's famous "Satan" interview. When he says black metal is about Satan I don't think he's referring to the theistic Satan, he's referring to negativity in it's purest form. It sounds elitist and "kvlt"but that's how it is. It's not about how it looks to the outside, it's about the music itself. Kvlt! fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Sep 8, 2015 |
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The Clit Avoider posted:Plenty of musicians across entirely different genres set out to make music that is the complete antithesis of what you lay out as "all music". I am no longer talking in terms of black metal alone here. There are reasons dirges exist, there's reasons why some genres that are nothing more than melancholic self-pity exist, and that is because there are frequently things that people which to broadcast which have absolutely no playful or silly elements at all. Many, if not most, compositions will comprise a range of thoughts or emotions that a musician wishes to convey - and they do so via both lyrical and musical medium. Personal opinion, dude. You're not getting what I'm saying, but that's OK. I don't want to argue, since we will probably never agree. I just want to clarify that I am not belittling anyone, I just think trying to represent evil in its purest form in the shape of music is destined to fail. Music simply isn't the right medium for it, even though it is so effective at stirring people's feelings. E: I a way I actually am a little envious of people who can get totally fired up and just go loving crazy about music. I mean yeah, I can get going and headbang and all that, but some people just go 110% and live the music, at least while it's playing. Maybe it's just more real to them? And it's probably what helps some of the most amazing live performances, they get completely lost in it. Don't get me wrong, I've had tears in my eyes and shivers down my spine from certain performances and compositions, and the entire "Judgement" by Anathema forced me to sit down and think about a lot of things for a couple of hours the first time I listened to it, but I've never gotten the whole "go crazy wild" thing. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Sep 8, 2015 |
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Zodijackylite posted:I'm not normally one to say it, but who the hell are all of these bands? It's not that I don't recognize names, but aside from Iron Man, Midnight, The Fleight of Sleipnir, and Wormreich, have any of these bands been around more than three years or released an album? I like the concept, but it's kind of like Pocono Folk Metal Fest in that it has a theme but is rather poorly stocked. The two most prominent bands (Iron Man and Midnight) are very much unlike the rest of it, and there's no real outside attraction nor local veterans. Almost all of the bands have at least one full-length album under their belt, but the idea is not to be Maryland Deathfest or even Full Terror Assault. It's a relatively small and secluded venue with only 350 tickets being sold, an opportunity to see a variety of bands in an intimate setting. Personally, I'm incredibly stoked to see Fin, Immortal Bird, Falls of Rauros, and Heavy Temple in addition to the few you mentioned. At any rate, check out some of the links! Some of the more local acts are killer (Snakefeast and Cladonia Rangiferina in particular, imo). Potential BFF posted:The new Mgla album is up in its entirety on the label's youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvGPAVTYfXI This album rules and they're touring with Mortuary Drape next month! 06 Nov 2015 Martyrdoom Festival, NYC https://www.facebook.com/events/880516181971093 . with Mortuary Drape and Sangus: 07 Nov 2015 Cambridge, MA https://www.facebook.com/events/1630068890584668 08 Nov 2015 Martyrdoom Festival, NYC https://www.facebook.com/events/880516181971093 10 Nov 2015 Baltimore, MD https://www.facebook.com/events/1460824230909652 11 Nov 2015 Columbus, OH https://www.facebook.com/events/789544527831719 12 Nov 2015 Chicago, IL https://www.facebook.com/events/405484909645920 13 Nov 2015 Milwaukee, WI https://www.facebook.com/events/774409459342870 . with Weregoat and Sempiternal Dusk: 14 Nov 2015 - Los Angeles, CA (+Revenge) https://www.facebook.com/events/142267439445592 15 Nov 2015 - Oakland Details TBA 17 Nov 2015 - Portland https://www.facebook.com/events/777533639035100 18 Nov 2015 - Seattle Details TBA Monkeytime fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Sep 8, 2015 |
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Crazy loving lucky that Negura Bunget, Mgla, and Mortuary Drape are all stopping in Milwaukee this fall. So amped!
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Kvlt! posted:When did Euronymous do vocals? He was the guitarist. Yeah you're right, I always thought it was Euronymous just because, but it wasn't him. It's a misinformed statement from half-remembered details but doesn't change the fact the vocals were poo poo. The Clit Avoider posted:It's not about "discounting" it - it's more that it is not essential. Even Satyricon's best work presents nothing Enslaved and Emperor (amongst others, funnily enough Marduk's Opus Nocturne isn't far off either) hadn't already. Fair enough, I suppose there probably aren't many bands that will list Satyricon as a specific influence either, especially since they changed so radically over the course of every album. sharts posted:bullshit, i got 'into' black metal in the early 2000s and old darkthrone fuckin rips. don't try to pass your wrong taste off like some universal truth I said "I think it's just a case of when you first got into the "scene"" - meaning when you first started listening to the stuff, not the date of the stuff you first started listening to. I'm not stating it as a universal truth, more an anecdotal observation from my experience and others I have met. Doesn't mean it's always the case, just a common theme I've personally noticed. If you want to feel like a special snowflake or have some sort of "reg date"-like chip on your shoulder for when you started listening to a genre then I can't really help with that. I just can't get into Darkthrone, I can't find any redeeming qualities - and not for lack of trying either. I still own Transilvanian Hunger & Blaze because when I bought them in the early/mid-90s it was just something you had to do because they were so "evil" but musically it's just boring to me - then and now, it just sounds like noise to me no matter how much I try to get into it. I think it goes without saying though that due to the topic of this thread, we all have terrible taste in music.
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TollTheHounds posted:I think it goes without saying though that due to the topic of this thread, we all have terrible taste in music. Speak for yourself, guy who thinks later Mayhem is good and that Darkthrone has no redeeming qualities.
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Back to the present day a bit, what would folks recommend if I really like Darkspace? I seem to recall enjoying Cold of Ages from Ash Borer as well, but don't know much else with a similar vibe.
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Obvious answer is Paysage d'Hiver, since it's the same dude. Winterkälte is one of my favorite metal albums, nothing else transports my mind like it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tdx0jIRBZzI
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Robophile posted:Back to the present day a bit, what would folks recommend if I really like Darkspace? I seem to recall enjoying Cold of Ages from Ash Borer as well, but don't know much else with a similar vibe. by 'vibe' i guess you mean the thick, otherworldly feeling i get off darkspace? Darkspace III kind of stands alone for me and nothing else scratches the same itch so to speak, but here's some stuff i think comes somewhat close, for me anyhow: Carcharoth Λ.V. - ΩMEGΛ (Post Vacvitas) Menace Ruine - Dismantling Earth & Pillars - Lakes Forest Silence - The Eternal Winter Lustre - They Awoke to the Scent of Spring Pt.2 Pyha - Song of the Elderly Pt.1 Servile Sect - Stabbing Through The Horn - Spell 146 The Ruins of Beverast - The Restless Mills Trist - Schlaflos kind of scattershot, but i hope it helps
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Robophile posted:Back to the present day a bit, what would folks recommend if I really like Darkspace? I seem to recall enjoying Cold of Ages from Ash Borer as well, but don't know much else with a similar vibe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7k7PwKJLHs
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Robophile posted:Back to the present day a bit, what would folks recommend if I really like Darkspace? I seem to recall enjoying Cold of Ages from Ash Borer as well, but don't know much else with a similar vibe. Darchon have that similar space-y feeling for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJJhsZESA1w
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Robophile posted:Back to the present day a bit, what would folks recommend if I really like Darkspace? I seem to recall enjoying Cold of Ages from Ash Borer as well, but don't know much else with a similar vibe. Try Alrakis, Midnight Odyssey and Elysian Blaze as well as Paysage d'Hiver.
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The Clit Avoider posted:Try Alrakis, Midnight Odyssey and Elysian Blaze as well as Paysage d'Hiver. Ah yes I forgot Alrakis - love them.
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poo poo, asking you guys for recommendations is like drinking from a fire hose. Except in this case the hose shoots literal fire. I'll check back in in a few months once I've caught up.
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A human heart posted:Speak for yourself, guy who thinks later Mayhem is good and that Darkthrone has no redeeming qualities. Touche. Robophile posted:Back to the present day a bit, what would folks recommend if I really like Darkspace? I seem to recall enjoying Cold of Ages from Ash Borer as well, but don't know much else with a similar vibe. It's very synth-heavy compared to Darkspace, maybe not even in the same realm I suppose, but when it comes to "spacey atmospheric black metal", Mesarthim's Isolate is the pinnacle for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTjE9IB0F4g
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