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HiipFire, do you think I'll flip Scum or are you just displaying your dislike? Be honest.
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Alright, so right now it seems like this is a game of guess which vote on Lumpen is scum. I'm going to go with this one: ##vote Kashuno This is not my standard joke vote on Kashuno. I think he is actually scum this game.
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Sep 13, 2015 18:18
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Lumpen posted:HiipFire, do you think I'll flip Scum or are you just displaying your dislike? Be honest. idk i think you're more likely to flip than anyone else rn
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Sep 13, 2015 18:47
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HiipFire posted:idk i think you're more likely to flip than anyone else rn
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Sep 13, 2015 19:44
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Lumpen posted:Fair enough. That's at least a more honest seeming response than Rarity or kashuno. Lumpen, if you could vig three people right now, who would they be?
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Sep 13, 2015 19:51
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Rarity, which 2 people would you want to see as the 2 new white cast members of Empire
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Sep 13, 2015 20:05
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imgay posted:Rarity, which 2 people would you want to see as the 2 new white cast members of Empire Opop as a white rapper would be glorious
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Sep 13, 2015 20:07
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My names Opop and I think it's time To listen to a funky rhyme
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Sep 13, 2015 20:11
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Opopanax posted:My names Opop and I think it's time So you have time to show up as soon as you're mentioned in a joke post but you don't have time to have opinions?
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Sep 13, 2015 20:16
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Yeah that's right. I'm at a resort for the weekend and just checking in now while the girls are at the spa Also I have opinions, you're thinking of the Buddy game. I'm voting lumpen and am quite happy with that.
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Sep 13, 2015 20:18
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Also I always have time for jokes, rarity. Always
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Sep 13, 2015 20:22
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Opopanax posted:Also I always have time for jokes, rarity. Always It's always a good idea to have some you time!
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Sep 13, 2015 20:34
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Ernie. posted:It's always a good idea to have some you time! Exactly. While they are getting massages and pedicures, I am packing, paying the rather large bill. Making low hanging dad jokes is my relaxation time.
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Sep 13, 2015 20:37
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Lumpen posted:Votefinder and the first line of the OP have a discrepancy about the number of players and the number required to lynch. Amended.
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Sep 13, 2015 21:36
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apostateCourier posted:Lumpen, if you could vig three people right now, who would they be? #2 Ernie. He "jokingly" Scumclaimed in the MasonDoc, and his vote on f_v was self-admittedly the Scummiest vote on the board. #3 Kashuno's also got a Scummy bandwagon vote, a refusal to engage or explain, self-consciously excused his contentless posting while insisting he was "serious". Also, Acebuckeye13, Chamale, and Colonel Corazon have been completely absent and said nothing. Scum may be among the lurkers but the Town among them have done nothing to help distinguish themselves, so a vig down there would be random. Newbies! Please be less shy! You must have opinions and reactions to some posts you've seen, share your thoughts, they will be very welcome.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:18
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Rarity posted:It's not about pushing for lynches or anything like that. My read on you is based on your assertive tone and extensive flaunting of your mafia experience. This is a newbie heavy game and I think you're trying to get the newbies to fall in line with your way of thinking so you can take the role of town leader. Yes, content game is good and useful but it's early days so relying on it now to drive content looks like a crutch because you want to push the game in the direction you want instead of letting it develop naturally. I also don't like you praising my mafia ability, I never trust flattery. Really? This is some serious low hanging fruit. Also, when would you use content game, except very early on? It's a major distraction from actual content any time after D1. ##vote Rarity
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Sep 13, 2015 22:21
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Also, when would you use content game, except very early on? It's a major distraction from actual content any time after D1. Content game is best used in anaemic games where you're on D2 or D3 and still nobody's really doing anything and/or loads of people are lurking. That's the point where content game is a really good tool to get people posting or to focus people's reads.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:29
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Lumpen posted:Newbies! Please be less shy! You must have opinions and reactions to some posts you've seen, share your thoughts, they will be very welcome. What is vig?
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Sep 13, 2015 22:29
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LowellDND posted:What is vig? "vig" is "kill." Removes them from the game, and we see what they were. The day continues. ##unvote
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Sep 13, 2015 22:32
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Votecount for Day 1  Lumpen (5): HiipFire, Opopanax, LowellDND, apostateCourier, Kashuno, Rarity, fiery_valkyrie (1): Ernie. Rarity (1): fiery_valkyrie TMMadman (1): Captain Foo, Kashuno (1): TMMadman HiipFire (0): Kashuno, imgay (0): apostateCourier, LowellDND (0): Lumpen, Opopanax (0): Rarity, Not Voting (7): Acebuckeye13, apostateCourier, Chamale, Colonel Corazon, imgay, Lumpen, Someone Awful!With 16 alive, it's 9 votes to lynch. The current deadline is September 15th, 2015 at 1 p.m. PDT -- that's in about 1 day, 22 hours.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:33
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Rarity posted:Content game is best used in anaemic games where you're on D2 or D3 and still nobody's really doing anything and/or loads of people are lurking. That's the point where content game is a really good tool to get people posting or to focus people's reads. Your justification for your vote rings super fake and disingenuous, it is an excuse to bandwagon. HiipFire and Opop's votes on me are not particularly Scummy, and the newb's thirdvote was funny, but the later ones on the pile reek, especially your and Kashuno's. I do not believe that you believe your own posts, and yet you keep affirming that you're being serious, so I conclude you're probably Scum. ##vote Rarity
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Sep 13, 2015 22:38
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LowellDND posted:What is vig? There are also Night-killing Town Vigilantes possible, and sometimes an event or item in the setup will confer a ##kill ability to a player of unknown align!ent, which is usually referred to as a Vig for short. A good question. Also, asking makes you look more Town, a Scum might have just asked in the ScumDoc.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:43
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Lumpen posted:How many players in this game have posted more than the mod? How many have posted less? I was bored yesterday, and want Mafia action. I want to encourage posting and get the newbies involved. To be fair I didn't realise you were already on 5 votes, but once I did I didn't feel bad about it 
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Sep 13, 2015 22:56
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Lumpen has been pretty nervous for a guy who got a bunch of votes during joke phase. That's all I got for now
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Sep 13, 2015 23:02
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Rarity posted:To be fair I didn't realise you were already on 5 votes, but once I did I didn't feel bad about it
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Sep 13, 2015 23:05
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Kashuno posted:Lumpen has been pretty nervous for a guy who got a bunch of votes during joke phase. That's all I got for now
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Sep 13, 2015 23:10
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My case is based solely on you seem weird so far this game and have since early on. This "content game" crap is useless whitenoise posting and really adds no discerning or meaningful content to the game. You then garnered a bunch of votes during jokephase and came out very defensive, which is a terrible sign early in d1. I'm not going to go build a big multi-quote thesis case on you because it's d1 and I just don't feel like putting that effort into what boils down to ~gut~
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Sep 13, 2015 23:28
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Kashuno posted:Lumpen has been pretty nervous for a guy who got a bunch of votes during joke phase. That's all I got for now I know you dont want to do a multi-quote case or anything, but could you point out even one post from Lumpen that you think shows that he is nervous?
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Sep 13, 2015 23:45
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Kashuno posted:My case is based solely on you seem weird so far this game and have since early on. This "content game" crap is useless whitenoise posting and really adds no discerning or meaningful content to the game. You then garnered a bunch of votes during jokephase and came out very defensive, which is a terrible sign early in d1. I'm not going to go build a big multi-quote thesis case on you because it's d1 and I just don't feel like putting that effort into what boils down to ~gut~ I can imagine a scenario in which you're just misguided. Bad as your post was, it is also a much more plausible post than Rarity's last several. Kashuno, I'm curious, do you agree with Rarity 100% here, or do you find any flaw in anything she's said?
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Sep 13, 2015 23:45
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Rarity posted:Content game is best used in anaemic games where you're on D2 or D3 and still nobody's really doing anything and/or loads of people are lurking. That's the point where content game is a really good tool to get people posting or to focus people's reads. Disagree. What do you think of my comment that you're going for the low hanging fruit? Do you agree? Disagree?
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Sep 13, 2015 23:46
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Acebuckeye, Chamale, Colonel Corazon, LowellDND and Someone Awful, what is your previous mafia experience? If you have played mafia before was it online or in real life?
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Sep 13, 2015 23:50
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Kashuno, you just played a game in which I actually was Scum, and won. Did I, at any point in that game, seem "weird" or "nervous" or "defensive"? Do you think, on a meta level, that those would even be Scumtells for me? HiipFire (and I assume Opop) are at least is saying "Lumpen sux, I don't like him, whatever", which (while dumb) makes a lot more sense than the stuff you and Rarity are trying to pass off as ~real, serious reads~ in the context of the game you both just finished.
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Sep 13, 2015 23:55
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Acebuckeye, Chamale, Colonel Corazon, LowellDND and Someone Awful, Never played.
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Sep 13, 2015 23:55
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Kashuno posted:Lumpen has been pretty nervous for a guy who got a bunch of votes during joke phase. That's all I got for now I dunno, I don't read Lumpen as nervous so much as really really assertive. The way he seems to be trying to control the dialog from the outset has me feeling uncertain. Yes, he's generating content, which is good, but is it helpful content? I haven't really learned anything from content game, personally. It seems like an easy route towards looking like a helpful townie while not actually accomplishing much. I can't help wondering if I'm getting Townie vibes off of Rarity because I agree with them, though, which is something I'm trying to keep on my guard about. fiery_valkyrie posted:Acebuckeye, Chamale, Colonel Corazon, LowellDND and Someone Awful, I've been lurking games on SA for ages, but I've only ever played on EpicMafia, which... wasn't exactly a helpful experience. Like, apparently lynching in D1 is considered scummy there. 
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Sep 13, 2015 23:56
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Lumpen posted:Kashuno, you just played a game in which I actually was Scum, and won. Did I, at any point in that game, seem "weird" or "nervous" or "defensive"? Do you think, on a meta level, that those would even be Scumtells for me? This is a good point ##unvote
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Sep 14, 2015 00:10
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Someone Awful! posted:I dunno, I don't read Lumpen as nervous so much as really really assertive. The way he seems to be trying to control the dialog from the outset has me feeling uncertain. Yes, he's generating content, which is good, but is it helpful content? I haven't really learned anything from content game, personally. It seems like an easy route towards looking like a helpful townie while not actually accomplishing much. Really assertive I am. But it would be a bad strategy for a Scum. Scum do best by finding a way to go with the flow and capitalize on Townie-initiated mistakes. I am sorry if it seems like I am trying to control the dialog, that may be an unintended consequence of the fact that I'm posting the most and am the most engaged in the game right now. Am I pushing dialog in any direction other than relentlessly finding Scum? Content Game is more helpful sometimes than others. It's helpful when a confronted contestant gives an awkward answer or reaction that reveals they're Scum. It can be minorly helpful later in the game in seeing connections and implications between the player and the answer. Any time a player (especially a Scum) is compelled to name other players, it is helpful content. I am not making any claim that running a Content Game should give me Townie Cred. If it leads to me lynching a Scum, that is what demonstrates I'm Town, and that's what it's for. The more posting, the better, is universally true in Mafia. Scum unintentionally betray themselves and their buddies only by posting, and so it is Town's duty to get everyone posting and go hard on lurkers.
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Sep 14, 2015 00:16
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Lumpen posted:It's good to see you posting your thoughts! WIFOM
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Sep 14, 2015 00:23
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Lumpen posted:It's good to see you posting your thoughts! I guess I just don't get how asking questions like who people would vig is pushing towards finding scum, rather than just being an irrelevant hypothetical. I guess there could be more depth to it if you've got meta on people/have played with them before? There are a lot of ways to play Scum, and a statement like "all Scum will always do X" seems disingenuous. If laying low and pouncing on townies makes you read scummy, wouldn't it be a better tactic to not do the expected thing? (preview edit: What f_v said, basically) I'm not saying you're being loud to try and make yourself look Town, but that specific point you're trying to make is kind of setting my teeth on edge. That said, I'm definitely anti-lurker and not trying to lurk myself. Joke phase is just bizarrely intimidating to me. 
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Sep 14, 2015 00:38
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Lumpen posted:I am sorry if it seems like I am trying to control the dialog, that may be an unintended consequence of the fact that I'm posting the most and am the most engaged in the game right now. Am I pushing dialog in any direction other than relentlessly finding Scum? Content Game is more helpful sometimes than others. It's helpful when a confronted contestant gives an awkward answer or reaction that reveals they're Scum. It can be minorly helpful later in the game in seeing connections and implications between the player and the answer. Any time a player (especially a Scum) is compelled to name other players, it is helpful content. I am not making any claim that running a Content Game should give me Townie Cred. If it leads to me lynching a Scum, that is what demonstrates I'm Town, and that's what it's for. The more posting, the better, is universally true in Mafia. Scum unintentionally betray themselves and their buddies only by posting, and so it is Town's duty to get everyone posting and go hard on lurkers. Look how slick he's fooled you! ##vote Lumpen fiery_valkyrie posted:Acebuckeye, Chamale, Colonel Corazon, LowellDND and Someone Awful, Several real life games, no online
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fiery_valkyrie posted:WIFOM It isn't impossible to be a Scum who leads everyone around by the nose, but there are factors inherent in the game that make it really hard to do successfully and very risky to try. That isn't saying I couldn't pull it off myself or would never try, but in this game I am effortful Town (and claimed and vouched Unconfirmed Mason) and would be a terrible choice for a D1 mislynch unless one prefers a lurkier low-energy game going forward.
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