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Lumpen posted:Yes, to a degree. But still, the most active players in any game tend to flip Town, that is just true, unless someone shitposts their way to the top of the postcount. I'm not pushing people to lynch you, but when you're talking to new players and saying "I'm doing X, scum wouldn't do X" thats a load of bullshit. Especially for experienced players. Scum would do X, Y or Z.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 00:44 |
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fiery_valkyrie posted:I'm not pushing people to lynch you, but when you're talking to new players and saying "I'm doing X, scum wouldn't do X" thats a load of bullshit. Especially for experienced players. Scum would do X, Y or Z. I concede that I am spouting ~general Mafia theory~ because I feel posty. I do not want to distract from my contention that Rarity is Scum. Her posting is disingenuous, she does not believe her own justification, her bandwagon vote is opportunistic. I would like other people to go back, and look, and evaluate this.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 00:58 |
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The only Rarity post that makes me question their alignment is this one:Rarity posted:To be fair I didn't realise you were already on 5 votes, but once I did I didn't feel bad about it which I was reading as half-jokey anyway. I mean, the only reason I'm not voting Lumpen is because I don't want to put him at -3 to lynch when we still have like 2 days left
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 01:02 |
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Someone Awful! posted:The only Rarity post that makes me question their alignment is this one: So you think he is scum? Why?
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 01:11 |
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Someone Awful! posted:The only Rarity post that makes me question their alignment is this one: Hopefully Rarity posts more and doesn't just lurk out the rest of the day to escape the heat.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 01:37 |
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hi have some time now that i wasn't sure i'd have so i'm gonna re-read a bunch of stuff my lastread gave me 48 new posts to read and i found lumpen to be trying to strongly lead town which i find not good; not because it is scummy per se but because one person alone is so rarely correct 100% and it tends to drown out other reads that being said I haven't yet read earlier in the thread so I'm not sure what his arguements are actually based on yet.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 02:08 |
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HiipFire posted:you know, it's really impressive that you think people who are hedgy are scum while thats the exact thing you do in this post ##vote hiipfire this post is grandstanding. it doesn't actually achieve anything. why is it worded as if it's trying to convince lumpen that he himself is scum? moreover it comes off to me as hiipfire posting what he thinks a townie would be thinking rather than what a townie would actually think which is Someone Awful! posted:Yes, he's generating content, which is good, but is it helpful content? I haven't really learned anything from content game, personally. It seems like an easy route towards looking like a helpful townie while not actually accomplishing much.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 02:11 |
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Someone Awful! posted:I dunno, I don't read Lumpen as nervous so much as really really assertive. The way he seems to be trying to control the dialog from the outset has me feeling uncertain. Yes, he's generating content, which is good, but is it helpful content? I haven't really learned anything from content game, personally. It seems like an easy route towards looking like a helpful townie while not actually accomplishing much. this is the towniest post in the game so far
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 02:28 |
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fiery_valkyrie posted:So you think he is scum? Why? "he" being Lumpen? I thought I explained, his assertive style of posting combined with saying things like "X is how scum would play"-type statements seem like he's trying to lead me to infer that because he's not doing X, he must be town, which gives me a really bad feeling. I don't have a scum reading on anyone else, or much of anything to be honest. I'll reread in a bit and see if I pick up anything.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 02:29 |
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fiery_valkyrie posted:I'm not pushing people to lynch you, but when you're talking to new players and saying "I'm doing X, scum wouldn't do X" thats a load of bullshit. Especially for experienced players. Scum would do X, Y or Z. mega agreedo
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 02:29 |
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Lumpen posted:I was bored yesterday, and want Mafia action. I want to encourage posting and get the newbies involved. this rings true though i am not at all convinced that you are doing it in a way that is actually useful
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 02:30 |
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Kashuno posted:Lumpen has been pretty nervous for a guy who got a bunch of votes during joke phase. That's all I got for now lumpen doesn't seem nervous at all imo
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 02:39 |
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TMMadman posted:Alright, so right now it seems like this is a game of guess which vote on Lumpen is scum. why
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 02:42 |
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Acebuckeye, Chamale, Colonel Corazon, LowellDND and Someone Awful, Played Werewolf a bunch of times IRL, never online.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 02:47 |
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Lumpen posted:Rarity, I think this post seems disingenuous. Do you really believe I've done anything to "take control of the game" in my 17 posts? I haven't even advocated any lynches. Playing content game gets people to post and creates something to post about. It encourages a more active game, and that is good for Town. I would love for everyone to get super engaged and come out of the gates hard, although I know it's the weekend. I don't love this post. While I also don't like rarity's pointless "nefarious purposes" thing, the bigger issue here to me is lumpen's response. Specifically, that he finds the callout of trying to control the game incredulous, and then specifically tying the number of posts in. Seriously, lumpen's obviously been taking a strongly aggressive leadership role upon himself. Doesn't need to advocate any lynches at this point in the game and to his own point, the game is young. wasn't a lot to generate real lynch cases from yet. in fact, strongly advocating for lynch on anyone that early is suspicious on its own. it is quite possible to take control of the game while not advocating any lynches early - that's what lumpen is actually doing yet he seems to be saying that taking control of the game requires advocating lynches. it doesn't, he's just driving the discussion. secondly, the last part of the post is really weird. lumpen is trying to do a very complex analysis of rarity's post and the reasons for it, while also setting up a dichotomy that doesn't at all have to be true. this really rubs me the wrong way. furthermore "you're a good enough player to X" is a really dangerous argument to make at best and hilariously WIFOM at worst. it assumes a ton about how an experienced mafia player would play, that there is a General Correct Strategy or Tactic, and that there wouldn't be some other reason to not follow a generally expected strategy. It's poo poo, through and through.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 02:56 |
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Acebuckeye, Chamale, Colonel Corazon, LowellDND and Someone Awful, I've played plenty in real life. Never played a match with so many additional roles. I've usually had good luck voting for whoever talks too much right out of the gate so I've thinking of voting lumpen but I'll hang in here a bit longer before I decide anything.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 03:14 |
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I should also say that I'm out of town taking care of family right now so once I get home I'll be able to chime in more.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 03:25 |
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His posting is weak. It's a non-content vote on Lumpen which is goes on to say is serious. I don't like it, so I put my vote there. Then later he explains his "case" boils down Lumpen is acting weird and defensive, plus gut, which doesn't come until after people have already expressed that opinion. Plus, when Lumpen challenges him, he quickly backs off quoting a second post by Lumpen, but skips over a question about Rarity. I like Kash or Rarity so far for scum.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 03:31 |
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You always like me for scum
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 03:36 |
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I wonder why some of the most loud players are being considered scum when it usually ends up being the least vocal ones in the end.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 03:48 |
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Kashuno posted:You always like me for scum kashuno plz explain why you think lumpen seems nervous
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 04:02 |
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Captain Foo posted:kashuno plz explain why you think lumpen seems nervous I rescind this argument on a reread
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 04:04 |
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Although that probably makes me look scummy as hell.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 04:05 |
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Kashuno posted:Although that probably makes me look scummy as hell.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 04:13 |
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Kashuno posted:I rescind this argument on a reread what made you change your mind?
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 04:16 |
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Kashuno posted:Although that probably makes me look scummy as hell. imo it's stating your opinions without any evidence to back them up that looks scummy, not necessarily changing your mind about things.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 04:18 |
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Captain Foo posted:what made you change your mind? I had gotten a vibe from lumpens overall posting, but going back to read it I couldn't find anything to substantiate it
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 04:19 |
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Kashuno posted:Although that probably makes me look scummy as hell. I think it'd be scummier to not change your opinion based on evidence or to just not engage it at all. I mean it was still kind of a weird post/read but I can kind of get how "posts a lot of words" can seem to = nervousness at a glance I mean there's definitely a scummy way to change your opinion but this feels clean to me, it's all just gut though
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 04:34 |
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Disagree. Disagree. Your turn. Reread Lumpen's posts, do you think he was trying to set himself up as town leader? If so, why and if not, why not?
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 07:11 |
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Lumpen posted:Yes, to a degree. But still, the most active players in any game tend to flip Town, that is just true, unless someone shitposts their way to the top of the postcount. This is total bullshit. There are a bunch of players on SA who play exactly that way as scum. merk, Byers, diqnol, in this game there's you, me, FV and Ernie who are all capable of that and have done so in the past. I still think you're trying to drive your own narrative here.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 07:19 |
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Lumpen posted:Hopefully Rarity posts more and doesn't just lurk out the rest of the day to escape the heat. FV, do you really think that knowing me as a poster Lumpen would seriously believe or question that I would lurk in a game?
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 07:23 |
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Ernie. posted:##vote hiipfire This is a good post that makes a good point. Furthermore, it's making me wonder if Hiipfire and Opop are hiding behind an essential policy lynch to prevent having to make content. Hiip, Opop, tell me another player you think is scum.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 07:27 |
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Captain Foo posted:I don't love this post. While I also don't like rarity's pointless "nefarious purposes" thing, the bigger issue here to me is lumpen's response. Specifically, that he finds the callout of trying to control the game incredulous, and then specifically tying the number of posts in. Seriously, lumpen's obviously been taking a strongly aggressive leadership role upon himself. Doesn't need to advocate any lynches at this point in the game and to his own point, the game is young. wasn't a lot to generate real lynch cases from yet. in fact, strongly advocating for lynch on anyone that early is suspicious on its own. it is quite possible to take control of the game while not advocating any lynches early - that's what lumpen is actually doing yet he seems to be saying that taking control of the game requires advocating lynches. it doesn't, he's just driving the discussion. This is a solid and well thought post, I'm liking Foo for town.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 07:39 |
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Kashuno posted:You always like me for scum This post gives me ~*vibes*~, I feel like Kash is trying to make a show of being casual.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 07:41 |
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Rarity posted:This is a good post that makes a good point. Furthermore, it's making me wonder if Hiipfire and Opop are hiding behind an essential policy lynch to prevent having to make content. ?????? I pointed out that he was being a hypocrit which makes me only feel more confident that he's scum Rarity posted:Do you think he was trying to set himself up as town leader? also somehow I never pointed this out but I agree with this Nobody else has pinged me yet so for now lumpen is my only scum read it's day 1 and we're only 6 pages in why are you expecting multiple scum reads from me what
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 07:58 |
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Rarity posted:Disagree. Ok, sorry for my abrupt reply, but I didn't think talking about the content game any further was helpful. I do still want to talk further about your vote on Lumpen. He was pretty much the only vocal player in the thread, he has an abrasive play style and he already had a couple of joke votes sitting on him. Please elaborate on how he wasn't a low hanging fruit vote. I think Lumpen probably was trying to set himself up as a town leader, and I think the why is because Lumpen likes to be in control and I see that as an aspect of his personality that is not alignment dependent. Can you explain why you think only a scum player would try to put themselves in that position? Do you really think Lumpen couldn't behave this way as town?
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 11:01 |
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Rarity posted:This is total bullshit. There are a bunch of players on SA who play exactly that way as scum. merk, Byers, diqnol, in this game there's you, me, FV and Ernie who are all capable of that and have done so in the past. I still think you're trying to drive your own narrative here. I totally disagree with you here. The winning strategy on SA recently would be to just lynch from the bottom of the post count up. Town would win consistently. You even overestimate me, go back and look at my post count in Port Lourde. I am absolutely not a high volume poster there -- I got called out by the mod for lurking.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 11:04 |
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Ugh, sorry I should have multi-quoted for my replies. Rarity posted:FV, do you really think that knowing me as a poster Lumpen would seriously believe or question that I would lurk in a game? No, but maybe he was just prodding you? Do you think Lumpen is a player that wouldn't do that?
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 11:06 |
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For the new players, we have a tradition here on these forums that we dont lynch new players on Day 1 of their first game, so dont be afraid to post!
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 11:08 |
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TMM, having just played a game with you as scum, you talked about how you are a high volume poster as town. Should I be reading anything into your low post count so far?
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