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OldTennisCourt posted:As someone who never experienced it, what's the general consensus of the Ruthless Aggression era? Best roster ever, dragged down by the fact that HHH rules the world and wants to be Ric Flair mixed with Harley Race.
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joshtothemaxx posted:Is there a comprehensive list anywhere online of male wrestlers who adopted gimmicks that were gay, implied they were gay, or were extremely effeminate? I would count the more effeminate "dandy" wrestlers, like Gorgeous George. You could make a case for Magnum TOKYO, but I guess he was more stripper than effeminate. Though he did thrust his crotch into men's faces all the time.
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Sep 14, 2015 00:14
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OldTennisCourt posted:As someone who never experienced it, what's the general consensus of the Ruthless Aggression era? Smackdown was the superior show for a lot of it, you had the Smackdown Six (Eddie, Benoit, Angle, Rey, Edge and Chavo) putting on excellent matches every week. Raw was the worst of the HHH show, with him in the nadir of his steroid-bloated, groin-injured trajectory. The absolute best example of this dichotomy is from the Royal Rumble 2003, with HHH vs Scott Steiner in a plodding, gassy suplex-fest that went for an interminable 18 minutes followed by Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit putting on a spectacular clinic of of match that went for the same amount of time and was practically perfect in every way. I think HHH had decided that he was the kind of Ric Flair wrestler that could drag a broomhandle through a good match. I dunno who laid out the match with Scott Steiner, but it was a misery.
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Sep 14, 2015 00:17
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Memento posted:Smackdown was the superior show for a lot of it, you had the Smackdown Six (Eddie, Benoit, Angle, Rey, Edge and Chavo) putting on excellent matches every week. Raw was the worst of the HHH show, with him in the nadir of his steroid-bloated, groin-injured trajectory. The absolute best example of this dichotomy is from the Royal Rumble 2003, with HHH vs Scott Steiner in a plodding, gassy suplex-fest that went for an interminable 18 minutes followed by Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit putting on a spectacular clinic of of match that went for the same amount of time and was practically perfect in every way. You can't forget the interminable build up to the Steiner/Hunter match with pose-downs, arm wrestling and a whole bunch of other bullshit.
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Sep 14, 2015 00:24
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Writer Cath posted:You can't forget the interminable build up to the Steiner/Hunter match with pose-downs, arm wrestling and a whole bunch of other bullshit. I've been trying to. There isn't enough hard liquor in the world.
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Sep 14, 2015 00:27
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Writer Cath posted:You can't forget the interminable build up to the Steiner/Hunter match with pose-downs, arm wrestling and a whole bunch of other bullshit. Which one was injured in that build? Was it Steiner who had a bicep injury or something?
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Sep 14, 2015 00:30
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OldTennisCourt posted:As someone who never experienced it, what's the general consensus of the Ruthless Aggression era? Thinking of that era I get flash backs of a million great Benoit vs Angle matches, lots of kayfabe botched moonsaults and flying headbutts off the top of the cage... And then I get sad.
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Sep 14, 2015 00:32
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sticklefifer posted:Which one was injured in that build? Was it Steiner who had a bicep injury or something? I know Steiner had a really bad ankle injury after his WWE run, and he constantly had bicep tears, but I can't remember anything specific from around that match.
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Sep 14, 2015 00:35
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joshtothemaxx posted:Is there a comprehensive list anywhere online of male wrestlers who adopted gimmicks that were gay, implied they were gay, or were extremely effeminate? I would count the more effeminate "dandy" wrestlers, like Gorgeous George. Johnny B Badd?
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Sep 14, 2015 00:55
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Christopher Street Connection in early ROH
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Sep 14, 2015 00:57
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AMERICAN MALES AMERICAN MALES AMERICAN MALES AMERICAN MALES AMERICAN MALES AMERICAN MALES
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Sep 14, 2015 01:17
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Perdido posted:Johnny B Badd? He's definitely in the grey area. I always saw him as a ripoff of Little Richard, and I think Little Richard always got really pissy when people questioned his sexuality. Swan Curry posted:AMERICAN MALES AMERICAN MALES AMERICAN MALES AMERICAN MALES AMERICAN MALES AMERICAN MALES YES.
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Sep 14, 2015 01:32
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The Steiner/HHH build was one of the most entertaining builds in history.
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Sep 14, 2015 01:35
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oldpainless posted:The Steiner/HHH build was one of the most entertaining builds in history. Agreed, the posedown alone was enough to get my buy but then I had to watch the match and it was bad
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Sep 14, 2015 01:40
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joshtothemaxx posted:He's definitely in the grey area. I always saw him as a ripoff of Little Richard, and I think Little Richard always got really pissy when people questioned his sexuality. JBB has to count. A lot of effeminate wrestling gimmicks made conspicuous mention of how popular the wrestler was with the ladies, perhaps to avoid crossing a line. That was the case with Patterson. JBB was a direct copy of Little Richard, if he was jacked, and Little Richard was bi.
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Sep 14, 2015 01:49
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Has anyone mentioned Danshoku Dino or Cassandro yet?
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Sep 14, 2015 03:05
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Would Too Hot fall under that umbrella? Before they became Too Cool?
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Sep 14, 2015 03:08
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From what I remember hearing, they were the first team Vince McMahon wanted to do the gay marriage story line with, he never does give up on a concept.
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Sep 14, 2015 03:15
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That was Too Much. I did hear that the Chuck and Billy gay marriage storyline was originally conceived many years earlier for Too Much, but Lawler personally put an end to that because he thought his son's career would never recover (note: Brian Christopher went on to not have much of a career besides being in Too Cool)
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Sep 14, 2015 03:15
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Ahh, not sure where I got Too Hot from.... and cool, I didn't imagine it then. Side topic question, who was the tag team that was responsible for killing off Byte This? What did they do again?
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Sep 14, 2015 03:36
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freeranger posted:Ahh, not sure where I got Too Hot from.... and cool, I didn't imagine it then. The future Scotty too Hotty and Grandmaster Sexay was then known as Scott "Too Hot" Taylor, with his partner "Too Sexy" Brian Christopher.
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freeranger posted:Ahh, not sure where I got Too Hot from.... and cool, I didn't imagine it then. Instead of Scotty 2 Hotty and Grandmaster Sexay they were nicknamed "Too Hot" and "Too Sexy" back when they were Too Much.
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joshtothemaxx posted:He's definitely in the grey area. I always saw him as a ripoff of Little Richard, and I think Little Richard always got really pissy when people questioned his sexuality. You said super effeminate. A guy who wears pink feather boas and eye shadow, and wields a gun that shoots glitter is pretty darn effeminate.
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Sep 14, 2015 03:40
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freeranger posted:Ahh, not sure where I got Too Hot from.... and cool, I didn't imagine it then. The Heart Throbs made a lot of sexual references, and also a caller called Booker T the n-word.
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Sep 14, 2015 03:41
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There was a tag team called The Dicks for a brief period, and the had a Chippendale gimmick. If you include the American Males, you have to include these guys.
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Sep 14, 2015 04:08
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There's Yosuke Santa Maria in Dragon Gate who runs an exotico gimmick and is definitely femme.
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Sep 14, 2015 04:21
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However homoerotic the American Males may have come across, they were meant to appeal to women, same as the Fabs.
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Sep 14, 2015 05:05
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Memento posted:I know Steiner had a really bad ankle injury after his WWE run, and he constantly had bicep tears, but I can't remember anything specific from around that match. I could swear the reason for all the posedowns and all that was because one of them wasn't cleared so they were stalling.
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OldTennisCourt posted:As someone who never experienced it, what's the general consensus of the Ruthless Aggression era? There's a reason why whenever they do Raw/SD anniversary shows, the best of clips are always from the Attitude Era + Show/Lesnar breaking the ring.
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Sep 14, 2015 05:07
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sticklefifer posted:I could swear the reason for all the posedowns and all that was because one of them wasn't cleared so they were stalling. It might even have been HHH who wasn't cleared. I just checked Profight and before that match, he hadn't wrestled for over a month. There's literally zero mention of Scott Steiner on HHH's Wikipedia page, except to say that they won Worst Worked Match of the Year in the 2003 Observer Awards.
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Sep 14, 2015 05:26
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oldpainless posted:The Steiner/HHH build was one of the most entertaining builds in history. It gave us what will forever be my favorite JR call of all time: "Buhgawd, those PUSH-UPS! Those intimidating push-ups... FROM THE BIG BAD BOOTY DADDY!" He knew the words were stupid before they left his lips but he put 110% into them regardless.
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The video package before the Rumble match was also pretty great. It never ceases to amaze me what the promo team can slap together regardless of the build material.
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Defiance Industries posted:It gave us what will forever be my favorite JR call of all time: JR had a lot of fun with stupid material. There was that whole month when he got really excited about Skittles. FRUITY! FRUITY! DELICIOUS! FRUITY!  Memento posted:It might even have been HHH who wasn't cleared. I just checked Profight and before that match, he hadn't wrestled for over a month. There's literally zero mention of Scott Steiner on HHH's Wikipedia page, except to say that they won Worst Worked Match of the Year in the 2003 Observer Awards. Found a great detailed writeup of it on wreddit. The short version is they were both injured: Steiner was still gradually recovering from major foot surgery 6 months earlier, and HHH had partially torn his quad the previous month and had to be out of the ring for a few weeks.
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sticklefifer posted:JR had a lot of fun with stupid material. There was that whole month when he got really excited about Skittles. At Survivor Series 1999, he's having a blast saying SEXUAL CHOCOLATE". Go listen to it, cuz I am not doing it justice.
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sticklefifer posted:JR had a lot of fun with stupid material. There was that whole month when he got really excited about Skittles. Yeah, and its not like the show could go on without HHH. Somehow, he bravely soldiered through it.
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Sep 14, 2015 07:42
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Glamorama26 posted:At Survivor Series 1999, he's having a blast saying SEXUAL CHOCOLATE". Go listen to it, cuz I am not doing it justice. Grand Master Sex Eyyyyyy
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Sep 14, 2015 08:42
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St Evan Echoes posted:Grand Master Sex Eyyyyyy Hahaha yes. JR will always have a pass with me because of how self aware he could be.
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Sep 14, 2015 08:57
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sticklefifer posted:JR had a lot of fun with stupid material. There was that whole month when he got really excited about Skittles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBAXWZ6vLRc
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One thing to take away from the Triple H and Steiner feud, it's what gave us Evolution. The first time all four of those guys came together was to beat down Big Poppa Pump. So something half decent came out of the feud at least.
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"WWE Live" events - are these basically just house shows or is this where they film stuff like Main Event/Superstars?
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