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For real though what do you want me to do? I'm waking up now.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 22:59 |
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Opopanax posted:For real though what do you want me to do? I'm waking up now. just give me an opinion about anything you feel like talking about preferably game related!
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:01 |
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Ernie. posted:see, the minute i got my role pm and knew i was a mason, i knew who you were. i don't get why you couldn't arrive at the conclusion privately and then do the logical thing of determining my alignment independently. this whole act about pretending like asking pointless questions is valuable is an annoying meta gimmick.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:10 |
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Lumpen posted:Well, why be cagey about it though? I thought you might be another wife, or Angharad. Nux is a good guy anyway, right? You're being defensive and acting all offended for no apparent reason. Flavor is usually meaningless, but reactions and interactions between players, and choices made, are always meaningful. "Nux is a good guy anyway right?" is exactly why I'm cagey. That's a valueless proposition and at worst it actively insults sirsamvines' game design.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:15 |
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Im seeing some vote drop off from Lumpen, and I just want to restate why I think that’s a bad idea. Lumpen has: Introduced himself as unconfirmed mason, and tried to do the playful 'maybe I am and maybe I’m not.’ This is a sign of a guilty conscience. Furthermore, Lumpen tried to make alliance with Ernie, as scum are prone to do. Not content with that, Lumpen made a comprehensive list of rules for newbies to follow (one of which he violated immediately, with his OMGUS vote of me). This shows both that he is trying to control the narrative, as well as further proof of a guilty conscience. He lists such things as ‘over defensiveness, overemotionally, flailing, and sucking up’, all of which have been seen in this thread. This can be noted in a later post, when he argues that ‘townies need to talk, while scum stay quiet.’ This is obviously an indicator that he wants the town to think that, and works within that strategy to talk nonstop. As a scum, he thinks that this will show he is part of the town, but he doesn’t realize he has already revealed himself thereby. Vote Lumpen.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:26 |
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Ernie. posted:"Nux is a good guy anyway right?" is exactly why I'm cagey. That's a valueless proposition and at worst it actively insults sirsamvines' game design. If you were another of the wives, yeah, I would've "insulted SSV's" game design and assumed you were almost certainly Town. But as is, you Scumclaimed in the MasonDoc, made a really terrible vote on f_v, and now you're jumping on HiipFire but have said nothing substantial about Rarity. So I am suspicious of you. What's your take on Rarity? What's your read on me?
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:26 |
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Lumpen posted:Flavor doesn't matter but being self-conscious and cagey and making lovely excuses does matter. I refuse to engage with you on your terms. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Saying flavor doesn't matter then saying being a wife would make me town is backwards. And pretending like me not talking about rarity is alignment indicative for either of us is fallacious thinking.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:30 |
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You're not being helpful right now lumpen. If you think d1 is the best day to get content out of people please let me get people to talk about hiipfire and take a back seat.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:31 |
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Ernie. posted:just give me an opinion Like, besides me calling Kashuno scum and voting Lumpen earlier, you mean?
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:32 |
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Lumpen posted:Flavor doesn't matter but being self-conscious and cagey and making lovely excuses does matter. this post smells bad flavor arguments are not good arguments unless there's been some indication that flavor is going to play a part in the actual game rather than be, y'know, flavor. There's been no evidence of that either way. A wife and nux in a masonry? sure, sounds reasonable except for the fact where either of them could be lying about anything so it's completely worthless to speculate on I wouldn't assume two players being in an unconfirmed masonry means anything at all w/r/t alignment, especially on D1 why should we care what lumpen says ernie says in the masondoc; it's smokescreen at worst and evidence nobody else can use at best. let me revisit what ernie has to say about f_v and hiipfire
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:45 |
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Ernie. posted:##vote fiery_valkyrie this was an early vote though it's not actually horrible reasoning, and lumpen trying to push it as "really terrible" is a reach and a half
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:46 |
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LowellDND posted:Im seeing some vote drop off from Lumpen, and I just want to restate why I think that’s a bad idea. Lumpen has: Unconfirmed Mason means that I am Masons with Ernie, this is established in our role PM's, and it just means that our special role power is the ability to talk with each other privately out of the thread as much as we want. The "Unconfirmed" part means that neither of us knows for sure what the other's alignment is. One of us could be Scum and the other Town, or we could both be Town. Or we could both be Scum and completely fabricating the claim (but that would be a very dumb gambit). In contrast, if we had been given the role Confirmed Mason, then we woukd know for sure that we were both Town (Confirmed by the Mod). Lumpen's Infallible Scumtellidex, posted in the jokephase, is an old in-joke. I created that list in the Mafia Discussion Thread several years ago and it's always good for starting arguments. I posted it here mostly to troll a self-important person who is not in this game but was/is presumably watching. That lurking sucks and only benefits Scum is an uncontroversial and important Mafia truth. I contend again that my efforts to keep the thread active are a positive thing for the game and inherently benefit Town. Hopefully in light of this information you'll reconsider you premises in judging me. I'm Town, and I think you're very likely Town too after that post
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:46 |
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Ernie. posted:##vote hiipfire this post is significantly weaker than the f_v one; calling the wording the way it is seems dumb as opposed to the more up-front reading that it's just biting and sarcastic
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:49 |
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Captain Foo posted:this was an early vote though it's not actually horrible reasoning, and lumpen trying to push it as "really terrible" is a reach and a half Ernie himself called it "the scummiest vote in the game". I agree with you on the HiipFire vote though.
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:52 |
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Lumpen posted:It is actually horrible reasoning. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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# ? Sep 14, 2015 23:56 |
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quote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:11 |
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Captain Foo posted:this post is significantly weaker than the f_v one; calling the wording the way it is seems dumb as opposed to the more up-front reading that it's just biting and sarcastic but it's not, sarcasm has a function and that's dismissal. the wording hiipfire used is directed at lumpen. will he really manage to get lumpen to dismiss lumpen?
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:12 |
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Sick 90 posts, im gonna assume most of it is about voting lumpen though, which is pretty null cause every game I've played with lumpen the people want him dead
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:27 |
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imgay posted:Sick 90 posts, im gonna assume most of it is about voting lumpen though, which is pretty null cause every game I've played with lumpen the people want him dead Who should we lynch?
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:29 |
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Ernie. posted:but it's not, sarcasm has a function and that's dismissal. the wording hiipfire used is directed at lumpen. will he really manage to get lumpen to dismiss lumpen? why would you ever think that someone is trying to convince someone that they themselves are scum
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:32 |
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Prob Kash or TMM, i think they are both aggressively cautious players that will yield some decent content after a flip. if you flip lumpen its gonna be like digging around a garbage dump for anything useful
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:33 |
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Ernie. posted:
The second part, contrasting Hiip's posting with Someone Awful and saying Someone Awful ia making good, Townie posts, I agree with. I wouldn't be inclined to vote HiipFire today.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:34 |
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Lumpen posted:It seems to me that HiipFire was intending to call me a hypocrite, and a Scum, and for others to come to the same conclusion. It was based on a misunderstanding or mischaracterizarion of my post about Rarity, and it is not a good justification to vote me, but it came off as a plausibly sincere post to me and not at all an alarming Scumpost like Ernie makes it out to be. So Ernie's criticism of it and use as a justification to vote are wrong and bad, in my opinion. it's like you're repeating everything i'm saying. i called his post grandstanding, too. sniping from the sidelines so 'other people come to the same conclusion' is also scummy. you either put it in no uncertain terms that you think someone is scummy or you vote them or you don't think they're suspicious. oddly hitting the middle ground just screams someone unsure of how to voice their opinion because they have something to hide.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:41 |
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Rarity posted:Guys, can we all take a moment to appreciate how poo poo this post is? Now this is how I know to play Mafia: in an exceedingly petty fashion. ##vote rarity I'm Cheedo the Fragile, by the way. Wives unite!
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:47 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Now this is how I know to play Mafia: in an exceedingly petty fashion. ##vote rarity ##vote ace13
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:51 |
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imgay posted:Prob Kash or TMM, i think they are both aggressively cautious players that will yield some decent content after a flip. if you flip lumpen its gonna be like digging around a garbage dump for anything useful How can someone be aggressively cautious? It's an oxymoron. This seems like a weak post and there is no actual scum hunting in it. Imgay doesn't seem to think that either of us scum but thinks our flips will generate content. Would vote imgay.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:55 |
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Interesting, we still have six who haven't voted. apostateCourier Colonel Corazon imgay Kashuno Lumpen Someone Awful! They might bear watching. And oh hey, Lumpen is in the list.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:57 |
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LowellDND posted:Interesting, we still have six who haven't voted. Actually I think several of them have voted but then unvoted at some point.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:58 |
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TMMadman posted:Also, I don't like this post either. It doesn't seem like an outburst but what he believes. Plus there is a fatal flaw Chamales post because I think that guy is new and he doesn't seem to know that around here it seems like scum throw each other under the bus more often than they protect each other. Lumpen spent half of the Pearl game sniping at me despite both of us being scum there. Killing everyone and everything! You have a point, I'm used to seeing scum stick together but that's because the real-life games I've played were at least 50% completely new people. So my attempt to assess who is scum, which was largely based on my suspicion of Lumpen, may be off. But I'm still personally convinced that Lumpen is scum.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 00:59 |
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Ernie. posted:it's like you're repeating everything i'm saying. i called his post grandstanding, too. sniping from the sidelines so 'other people come to the same conclusion' is also scummy. you either put it in no uncertain terms that you think someone is scummy or you vote them or you don't think they're suspicious. oddly hitting the middle ground just screams someone unsure of how to voice their opinion because they have something to hide. Your posting and voting has been much more Scummy than HiipFire's.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 01:00 |
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##Vote Ernie
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 01:01 |
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Chamale posted:Killing everyone and everything! I'm just not seeing Lumpen as scum right now. Some of it probably because I was just in a game with him where we were both scum and his posting here seems more focused and directly engaging than it did in the other game. Sure, he's posting a lot and some of it weird, but it doesn't seem insincere or out of place really and nobody can say he isn't getting reactions from his posting. Hey Lumpen, what do you think of this imgay post: imgay posted:Prob Kash or TMM, i think they are both aggressively cautious players that will yield some decent content after a flip. if you flip lumpen its gonna be like digging around a garbage dump for anything useful While I have my doubts about Kash, you seem to think he is town and I believe your thinking the same thing for me, so how does this post sit with you?
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 01:31 |
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Why do people keep saying they're thinking of lynching me but don't vote it's weird
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 01:42 |
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Kashuno posted:Why do people keep saying they're thinking of lynching me but don't vote it's weird Hey, I voted for you!
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 01:44 |
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TMMadman posted:Hey Lumpen, what do you think of this imgay post: TMM is currently more likely to be Scum, in my view, than either imgay or kashuno. I'm going to make a LumpenList in the morning.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 01:48 |
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Lumpen posted:Dumb not Scum. imgay hasn't posted much but what he's postes hasn't set off my Scumdar at all. Vaguely mentioning a couple of not-likely-viable lynches seems more like an honest opinion than a Scum-minded move. I can understand why it may seem more menacing when it's about oneself, though. Are you being fair or just having an OMGUS reaction? No, I'm being fair. He didn't vote me and I still think Kashuno is probably scum. I just think his post is odd because it came right after him basically saying that he didn't read the last 90+ posts because he assumes most of it revolved around you and then when f_v asks who he would lynch today, he pops up with that post. So it feels like he's just picking two names out of hat and saying our flips will generate content, not that he thinks we are actually scum.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 01:55 |
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TMM and Kash are the kind of scum that would kill me n1, so your pressure on my seems scummy. I'm not voting because I haven't actually read those 90 or so posts I skipped over
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 02:05 |
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imgay posted:TMM and Kash are the kind of scum that would kill me n1, so your pressure on my seems scummy. I'm not voting because I haven't actually read those 90 or so posts I skipped over Wait, what? If I'm the kind of scum that would kill you on N1, then why would I be questioning you on D1? I'd just ignore you and then kill you. This post doesn't make any sense at all.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 02:21 |
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Holy poo poo, what a wierd deflection, I'm not even pushing you hard. You shouldn't jump on that baity bait so quick there bucko.
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# ? Sep 15, 2015 02:24 |
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imgay posted:Holy poo poo, what a wierd deflection, I'm not even pushing you hard. You shouldn't jump on that baity bait so quick there bucko. It's not a matter of you pushing me. It's a matter of you holding an inconsistent position because you have no idea what I'd do as scum. Hell, half the time people don't understand why I do what I do as town, so do you really think you could peg my motives if I was scum?
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